Sources: Jieni7 out of EDG

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wuk1nGg

Recently EDG is scrimming withot Jieni (via TEC Haodong's stream). Rumors claim that EDG's academy player, Potter, is scrimming with the sqaud. It's unknown if he will be promoted in the future.

Potter (Not to be confused with EG Potter) VLR profile: https://www.vlr.gg/player/48960/potter

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potter is a duelist right

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wuk1nGg

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Duelist turned flash initiator (If sources are real)

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Galactc

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Fix the role issues by not fixing them at all (this could be said about jieni7 too tbh)

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wuk1nGg

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Most of China tier 2 talents are duelist mains, they are still young therefore they can be very flexible.

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was s1mon not also a duelist player turned flash init? or was he smokes i don't entirely remember

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He played some raze but he seems to have played mostly initiators all time unless there's stuff outside of vlr then he was an initiator player who I guess had to flex other roles at times

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in China Evolution Series`s jdg
https://www.vlr.gg/278898/royal-never-give-up-vs-jd-gaming-china-evolution-series-act-2-selection-opening-a

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https://www.vlr.gg/365306/s1mon-joins-edg
omen who flexed flash init

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no shes a coach

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is this gonna be another jieni7

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EDG has a lot of time to practice with Potter so I think they'll be fine

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yea maybe but his vlr stats are concerning

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well it's not like s1mon's stats were good so maybe that's just what they need

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cause stats matter

his util is irreplacable

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S1mon was doing pretty well before the shift to initiator I believe. Pretty sure I checked pre-champs

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edgno1fan3

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and he did even better once he shifted to initiator
he was the best player on the team at champs, and i don't say that lightly

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GambleNats

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s1mon was the worst player in EDG's champ run

Muggle/haodong >= Nobody > Chichoo > Zmjjkk > Smoggy > S1Mon

He was important (he won champs duh of course he was gonna be good), but not nearly as important as the others

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tbf once s1mon left they fell off hard from 3rd at masters to not qualing in CHINA of all regions
s1mon util allowed for peak zmjjkk

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GambleNats

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this is only half true, s1mon was a great enabler allowing kangkang to be more consistent in that tokyo esc form but EDG with s1mon or not were always not going to qualify, even in stage 1 they were struggling with S1Mon losing to NOVA. EDG simply just werent caught up with the meta and were unable to come up with good strats and calls

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even when s1mon was still in the team they were not doing great during the split, it makes a lot of sense for a team to do worse when making a sudden switch mid way through. Correlation isn't equal to causation

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Yeah you sure didn't say that lightly because you're braindead🤣 KangKang 250.8 acs 1.1rt FMVP＜S0M0n 164.5 acs 0.99rt😱😱😱😱😱😱 shame on riot for not giving S0M0n FMVP😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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wuk1nGg

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EDG didn't take that tournament seriously (not cope), they got destroyed in their games so that explains his bad stats

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garamanmararaman

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you still want to put your best at your debut, even if its a mickey mouse tournament, no?
and his individual stats were also not great.

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Still against top teams without team practice

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wuk1nGg

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They got railed by GENG and T1 at the invitational. From what I’ve heard fans had high hopes from his performances

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EDG don't need someone with amazing stats, though it would be a bonus (+slowly like everyone says) but they really need a dependable support player, jieni was finding little impact with his frags or support util

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so EDG will trial and error (give opportunity) every academy player till find the one that get result.

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nah they def gonna make a big move next year.

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They can't trial EVERY academy player since half of them are underage. But yes they've been doing a bit of scrimming with players other than jieni

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they need to pick up slowly he is insane

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wuk1nGg

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They literally can't. Slowly is not for sale. I believe Slowly has a contract with TYLOO until 2027 and he is the core of the team.

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aint no way tyloo letting slowly leave under any condition.

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slowly is CN's version of OXY

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just beg for s1mon to come back man and put differences aside. these academy duelists turned initiators will NEVER surpass s1mon's util bro, it'll be the same

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wuk1nGg

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There is still a chance that S1mon comes back, not going to go over the conspiracy theories but if you are interested lmk

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Drop the tea

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wuk1nGg

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The manager that had beef with S1mon got his salary cut as a punishment (for handling S1mon's situation poorly)
The other manager of EDG mentioned that he will buy a rolex for everyone who was on the team when they won champs 2024
S1mon gifted a sub to the streamer who is signed to EDG as a content creator.

These doesn't really lead anywhere but some people believe that this meant S1mon is going to return. (But it's most likely false since S1mon wasn't scrimming with EDG)

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look at s1mon, did any team want him?

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he has a crazy high buyout

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DBStudios

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And how do you know that lol? If you're going to talk about money AG literally has 10 signed players... Surely one of these rich chinese teams would drop a band if s1mon was that good.

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bc someone literally said, like i swear tanmay said it or some shit

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Teams want him bad asf.

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source? ive literally heard no one say this

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wuk1nGg

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Teams want him. The EDG manager said that they are not ready to release him yet since it's technically not off season yet (He said this a few days after stage 1 ended iirc)

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looking at this guy's stats they might be better off playing with EG Potter

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Can't perform worst than 4 20 jieni7's yoru.

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wuk1nGg

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I have to remind everyone that he was a sub, and his team got 15-26 and 9-26 because they weren’t taking it serious

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screenshot or CAP

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wuk1nGg

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There are no concrete evidences yet. If you want you can go over Haodong’s recent stream and find the clip where he go over his friend list and see that EDG is not practicing with Jieni7

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yeah team s1mon all the way baby i hope they do bad unless they bring him back

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wuk1nGg

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Praying for downfall at its finest but I respect it

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Bring back Simone

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These guys are having a bloody laugh.

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Additional info: Sources (not trustable) claimed that S1mon scrimmed with the EDG roster sometime before they scrimmed with Potter. The result was good as they look better than their stage 1 self.

Also sources said that Jieni7 voluntarily benched himself from the active roster, the reason behind this decision is unknown. Most likely due to pressure and under-performance

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Shamelessly bumping the thread again: The chances that Potter gets promoted after his 18th Birthday is very likely. In his recent douyin videos he mentioned about practicing his util (usually mentioned by flash initiators in China).

I don't have douyin so can't link the vids but feel free to check it out yourself

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How do you pronounce his username? just curious

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jenny7

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Ahnri

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All that talk of Jieni7 being a way better fit and putting in much more time than S1mon to justify the change and how S1mon was the problem, only to turn around before even reaching stage 2 and drop him? Joke of an org.

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He wasn't comfortable with the pressure

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Ahnri

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Further proof, EDG can't properly manage or support their players. Very rarely will a player feel pressured, at least for long, with a good and supporting team around them.

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When you're a rookie with zero T1 or T2 experience being thrown into the biggest team in your region with the highest expectations while adapting to a different role and expecting to fill the shoes of one of the best initiator players in the world, it does make sense that some people would be adverse to handling that much pressure, no?

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Absolutely... and if your team and management fail in handling said pressure at the very least to the point of being able to player a single regional match, I mean they didn't even make an international yet which is when nerves truly set in, then yeah I'm looking at the team as lacking in terms of its handling of its players and atmosphere. Especially when that team goes on to add ANOTHER PLAYER who's never played in T1 or T2... like???

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No, of course, Potter as a replacement is rather silly, and of course, he could prove us wrong. However, I simply am stating that Jieni7's decision to step down isn't necessarily indicative of poor management from the side of EDG. It simply is inevitable that some players just aren't up to the task of handling such expectations.

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That wasn't my point, though. Of course, looking that it in a vacuum just him stepping down isn't indicative of poor management, hence I said “Further” proof.

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Kaust

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While I get your perspective, I simply do not agree, and I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this topic. Have a nice day, lad, cheers!

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Ah yes, the team laughing off s1mons huge whiffs, cheering him up after every big play, yelling to the crowd to cheer for the rookie, having multiple personal 1 on 1 chats with players after a bad game or bad performance (such as S1Mon vs LEV), who have multiple performance and mental coaches, cant support their players.

I mean have we tried researching the team we are shit talking?

Very rarely will a player feel pressured, at least for long, with a good and supporting team around them.

Also this is just not true, especially for a player to join the biggest org in the ENTIRE ESPORT, and being based in a region like korea or china.
This is esportless knowledge im afraid

we see huge amount of mental breakdowns, physical sickness, and pressure catching up with people in esports.

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That's the bare minimum and all things that happened prior to these issues mental and performance coaches yet can't manage nerves and pressure...? Researching? I was a FAN of the team I'm shit talking lol. Biggest org by what metric? lol that's not even remotely close to the truth, edg is in fact not even top 5. Please inform me of another instance of a player in the "biggest org in the entire esport" with multiple performance and mental coaches and ever so supporting teammates being removed due to pressure.

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That's the bare minimum

EDG have the best support structure in china for valorant, if thats bare minimum then these other orgs got a whole lot to do

all things that happened prior to these issues mental and performance coaches yet can't manage nerves and pressure...?

by this logic: T1 league has awful support structure and their mental/performance coaches are worth nothing (T1 league have the best support structure in league but I guess not since T1 players are constantly under pressure)

Researching? I was a FAN of the team I'm shit talking lol

Yet you fail to recognise the amount of help EDG offers throughout, so you being a fan means nothing. they arent even my top 3 favourite team in the region and yet I can recall all the help EDG has given to rookies like S1Mon. like legit what do you want them to do?

Biggest org by what metric?

fan size? hello? what do you think being the biggest team in china means? are you brain dead?

Please inform me of another instance of a player in the "biggest org in the entire esport" with multiple performance and mental coaches and ever so supporting teammates being removed due to pressure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/y3hrw6/skt_t1_the_chase_faker_talks_to_a_sports/

"Wolf also said that he was puking constantly before/after matches, which is why Kkoma recommended that he go to a minor region, due to being less stressful."

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EDG's management can't do anymore to support the players. 80 percent of EDG fans in China fan EDG because they won champions. The hate/ criticism towards Jieni7 is declining, but after his first match there are tons of hate.

Very rarely will a player feel pressured

Can't speak for everyone in the scene but pro players are pressured a lot due to fans

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That is just absolutely false.

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Point 1 or point 2?

Also prove it if you think it's wrong

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he is ragebaiting, got fooled by it myself. I did the healthy thing and ignored this thread and saved my time

or he is very unable to take in the information around him.

but I believe in people being smart, so I think he is rage baiting

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Gotchu gotchu thanks king

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I think you are purposely being illiterate, they wanted to change s1mon due to internal conflicts and because of that jieni would be better. This was never about jieni being a better player. Legit the only insinuation about that is Jieni is an insanely hard worker, which he is

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I think you're bias… they wanted to change s1mon due to internal conflicts THAT INVOLVED him supposedly not putting in effort or communicating, which stems from a disconnect in their shit system and shit management no one claimed anything of him being a better player.

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which stems from a disconnect in their shit system and shit management no one claimed anything of him being a better player.

yet every other player who have been in EDG have not seen this issue, you are the one that seems bias. How can multiple players step up and say "ive never faced this issue" and say there is an issue with the system. S1Mon by defualt is a quiet guy, you can see that in the EDG comm videos, and clearly he has not worked on that.

His internal conflicts also stemmed from immediately blaming his teammates after being benched

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Every other player on EDG has been together longer. Common sense. S1mon is quite literally more vocal in games than Smoggy... that is not at all where conflicts stemmed from lmao.

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so surely the players that joined in the beginning like sword9, like haodong, like abo, like life would face those same issues right? because their wasnt an EDG core yet. oh wait, they didnt...

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wait did you say S1Mon is more vocal than smoggy?????

omg im being rage baited

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holy shit I need to rethink my life

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Jieni was sort of an emergency sub half-way through out stage 1. He seemed to have better chemistry with the team atp so that's why he started on the team instead of S1mon.

putting in much more time than S1mon

Acting like EDG didn't put enough time to guide S1mon. I agree that the management and the coaching staff made poor decisions but they def put effort in S1mon

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Yeah, they did until they actually struggled as a team and portrayed a narrative in which he was the source of their problems.

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he was the source of their problems.

Holy conspiracy theory

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Is EDG's scouting just horrible? This guy doesn't seem to be allat..

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cant be that bad if the consistently get the best players in china

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Yeah well they have the same core for years. That isn't really "getting"

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every player/coach theyve gotten has turned out to be a top player in china or atleast good

Sword9 - was one of the best igls in china
Haodong - one of the best igls in china
Yorkmaster - Pretty good coach in china
NathanD - Pretty good coach in china
Muggle - one of the best coaches in china
Abo - been in tier 1 china since the beginning, hasnt peaked like the others but still in a respectable position
Life - Was one of the best players in china in 2022-2024
S1Mon - World champ over night

Dont need to say anything about Zmjjkk, nobody, Chichoo, Smoggy

Thats a really good track record

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Their scouting is good if they found S1mon. Potter has good promises

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Yeah I think I overreacted a little bit. We'll see how he does

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give S1mon another chance

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the only reason they benched S1mon was because there were alr issues with him

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One thing that I'm curious about is why EDG never thought about toast, https://www.vlr.gg/player/42505/toast/?timespan=all
one that can flash vanguard, can command, and even yuro and conductor

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This Toast seem like a lesser known player on a Tier 3 team. Perhaps you were talking about the other Toast who played in GES with Potter?

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yes, and Toast is a player that EDG has been training for a long time

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I have no idea honestly. Maybe it’s because Potter is very close to become 18 yrs old while Toast is probably too young

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EDG lost pull or what.How tf is trace xlele & midi & tec with coco & lucas are finding better ini players than s1mon. Or scouting team is doing nothing.

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Xlele and midi are mid, Lucas did pretty well the first half of EWC qual, I have no idea on why they didn’t get Coco

But doesn’t this mean Potter is better than all of them in the eyes of EDG? It sounds like to me that potter has great promises

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EDG is in bad spot imo. Cn teams Power creep is coming. Nova is next up if 0o0o0 can avoid -20 every game.

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The embarrassing thing is that the children that EDG is currently cultivating are relatively early to adulthood

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It's combination of

a lot of players have already signed contracts with other teams
EDG had to make their roster change midway through a season rather than between
CN orgs seem to have a preference for signing in-house (after academy etc.)

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I saw some posts on X (she locked her acc) looks like they gonna trial Biank??

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If you can link the post that will be fire, but no I haven't seen anything on this. Wouldn't make much sense either since Biank is still with TE

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Slowly on EDG = WIN CHAMPS BACK TO BACK