I think if Loud made playoffs they would have made Toronto.
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efftee [#2]on the same note I think Loud got mad unlucky this split (it's cope)
I don’t think it’s cope, but I wouldn’t say it’s unlucky either. They threw their own games and there is a world they are 5-0.
Either teams don't know what the point of scrimming is or they're useless because the amount of teams that I see do well in scrims only to fall off or even teams that do alright in scrims but you watch them and there's like no indication they practiced much of anything or maybe that's just me
MrHyphon [#4]People are stupid for saying all reptile-like pokemon should be dragon type
People giving any type a generalisation is stupid ngl
MrHyphon [#4]People are stupid for saying all reptile-like pokemon should be dragon type
They should though? Charizard for example is literally a dragon but not dragon type.
efftee [#2]on the same note I think Loud got mad unlucky this split (it's cope)
lukewarm take
Galactc [#5]Either teams don't know what the point of scrimming is or they're useless because the amount of teams that I see do well in scrims only to fall off or even teams that do alright in scrims but you watch them and there's like no indication they practiced much of anything or maybe that's just me
I think in general people overrate scrims, they don’t mean as much as people believe them to be. But you’re right, some teams definitely don’t know what their doing with scrims.
shermie [#10]nzr should not comeback to tier 1 for the foreseeable future
He will comeback for a couple games and get benched again.
FNS and S0M doesnt retire. They stay and win stage 2 with brawk getting kicked
cameran [#12]FNS and S0M doesnt retire. They stay and win stage 2 with brawk getting kicked
I’m afraid this is Cope…
Amygdala30 [#11]He will comeback for a couple games and get benched again.
and thats the problem
alienista1 [#15]G2 isn’t one of the favorites for Toronto
This is just objectively false.
an actual hot take in this sea of lukewarm takes:
aspas is mid asf, got carried in his only tournament win and keeps himself relevant by popping off on irrelevant matches, but whenever push comes to shove he performs way below standard, especially in international events
alienista1 [#19]its a hot take
No, a hot take is like saying that G2 will go 0-2 in playoffs. They’re objectively a favorite for Toronto.
ARix145 [#18]Tejo changes won't change how good the top teams for Toronto are
Most likely your right, only team I’m worried about is G2 when it comes to tejo.
MrHyphon [#4]People are stupid for saying all reptile-like pokemon should be dragon type
bro who says this, i have literally never heard this in my whole lifetime
like nobody thinks sandaconda or arbok or some shit should be dragon types
maximumthehormone [#20]an actual hot take in this sea of lukewarm takes:
aspas is mid asf, got carried in his only tournament win and keeps himself relevant by popping off on irrelevant matches, but whenever push comes to shove he performs way below standard, especially in international events
I actually agree with this👍 aspas has never been the best player on any of his teams besides I think mibr.
Ultia [#21]No, a hot take is like saying that G2 will go 0-2 in playoffs. They’re objectively a favorite for Toronto.
maybe you are right, but it doesnt really make sense to me. probably just a portuguese-english semantics issue
shesh_ [#24]bro who says this, i have literally never heard this in my whole lifetime
like nobody thinks sandaconda or arbok or some shit should be dragon types
Charizard isn’t dragon though, why?
Amygdala30 [#27]Charizard isn’t dragon though, why?
a dragon type starter would be unbalanced and ruin the natural progression of the game, especially the og gen 1 rby games, a dragon type final stage starter would just be game breaking
logically it should be a dragon type, but it doesn't make sense within the lens of a game design aspect
imnothorny [#28]foxy9 is better than meteor
That’s just objectively wrong, not even a hot take
shesh_ [#29]a dragon type starter would be unbalanced and ruin the natural progression of the game, especially the og gen 1 rby games, a dragon type final stage starter would just be game breaking
logically it should be a dragon type, but it doesn't make sense within the lens of a game design aspect
He could just be a weaker dragon type then, Keep all his stars and just change him to dragon type how does it break anything.
Yuniee44 [#34]comparing TH choking to PRX is silly
How? Both have lost 1 masters final, 1 champs final, and heretics has 1 more regional lost
Heretics 0 trophies (region and international)
Prx 2 trophies (regionally)
if loud made playoffs it would be because they would be actually capable of closing out advantages/winning a game so it might be true tbh
maximumthehormone [#20]an actual hot take in this sea of lukewarm takes:
aspas is mid asf, got carried in his only tournament win and keeps himself relevant by popping off on irrelevant matches, but whenever push comes to shove he performs way below standard, especially in international events
this is true lmao
Amygdala30 [#35]How? Both have lost 1 masters final, 1 champs final, and heretics has 1 more regional lost
Heretics 0 trophies (region and international)
Prx 2 trophies (regionally)
Imo Heretics are 4 rookies that have massively exceeded expectations and lost 2 grands where they came from lowers and still went 3-2, all within their first year.
PRX have crumbled in important matches in which they were mostly favoured (remember they beat EG in uppers for example) and fell apart across multiple years.
I dont think we can equate the two teams until Heretics choke across multiple years really
zellsis_enjoyer1 [#39]Top 3 aura VCT americas
Zellsis
Aspas
AsunaCold take tbh
Frozen take
Pheonix criminally underrated, in particular on Haven. Pearl he's being considered seriously but teams have been kinda trolling on him and Tejo existed so...
For Haven theory, with an Astra/Neon/Pheonix you've got all the same attack side strengths as BOTH the Breach/Neon and Viper comps with a good fast ult to cycle that works excellently for the many defensive retakes like the Iso/Yoru comp intends to do, and makes up for Neon's costing more.
Laundry [#42]omen is objectively a better duelist on attack than jett
omen entry is underrated ngl
Effluxi [#41]Pheonix criminally underrated, in particular on Haven. Pearl he's being considered seriously but teams have been kinda trolling on him and Tejo existed so...
For Haven theory, with an Astra/Neon/Pheonix you've got all the same attack side strengths as BOTH the Breach/Neon and Viper comps with a good fast ult to cycle that works excellently for the many defensive retakes like the Iso/Yoru comp intends to do, and makes up for Neon's costing more.
But how do you defend with these agents bro?
Raftlot [#45]my hot take is that Amygdala30 is elysium alt
And your hot take is copied from that other guy that commented that on my post. This bit annoying are you like in a discord server all commenting that?
Amygdala30 [#46]And your hot take is copied from that other guy that commented that on my post. This bit annoying are you like in a discord server all commenting that?
no, I'm on my break on my job and dont have the energy to go through all comments :)
if you truly are just a normal person (which I already doubt) the fact that more than one person is linking you to Elysium should make you worry
Laundry [#42]omen is objectively a better duelist on attack than jett
on Icebox i agree but other maps without the verticality nah
id like to see it experimented with though
Raftlot [#47]no, I'm on my break on my job and dont have the energy to go through all comments :)
if you truly are just a normal person (which I already doubt) the fact that more than one person is linking you to Elysium should make you worry
How exactly does one come to the conclusion I’m an alt? What have I done that says I’m that guys alt? And why should I worry people think I’m him when I’m a regular person?
I've shown every person that has criticized me that I was right. The end results is never an apology.
Amygdala30 [#49]How exactly does one come to the conclusion I’m an alt? What have I done that says I’m that guys alt? And why should I worry people think I’m him when I’m a regular person?
No regular person is this oblivious silly
And most of what you post is engagement/rage baiting, this is the reason
Hosting a qualifier in a Tejo based meta then immediately nerfing him into oblivion for the tournament you qualified teams for is braindead.
Raftlot [#51]No regular person is this oblivious silly
And most of what you post is engagement/rage baiting, this is the reason
How do I post ragebait or engagement? Can I get some direct comparisons to him or examples? Or is your break gonna be over before that.
overweightcat34 [#52]Hosting a qualifier in a Tejo based meta then immediately nerfing him into oblivion for the tournament you qualified teams for is braindead.
Cold take. This is correct and riot is stupid for this.
Raftlot [#51]No regular person is this oblivious silly
And most of what you post is engagement/rage baiting, this is the reason
And what am I oblivious to exactly?
Amygdala30 [#54]Cold take. This is correct and riot is stupid for this.
Just wanted to see if ppl were paying attention
Amygdala30 [#44]But how do you defend with these agents bro?
You defend more like the Iso/Yoru comps. Yeah, all the individual util pieces are slightly weaker alone but in the bigger picture the biggest loss is no Breach wall flashes so your Pheonix has to be in Iso spots instead of Breach ones (better for fragging) and no Omen off-angle tps, but you can experiment covering that with the unique stuff Astra dissipate brings instead. You've also got Astra and Phx util to imitate some of the Viper stuff in shorter bursts which is enough to break up hits or at least stall for rotates where you can hard flood retake like you want to on Haven already.
Amygdala30 [#53]How do I post ragebait or engagement? Can I get some direct comparisons to him or examples? Or is your break gonna be over before that.
buddy you JUST made a post about mako
this is what I'm saying by no one is this oblivious 🥴
also no matter the data and arguments people show you, you never change your mind
anyway I dont feel like arguing with someone feigning ignorance
Emparatrixx [#59]current G2 is in conversation of the best team of all time.
I disagree not because you are wrong but because they technically aren't the same team throughout the entire period so technically they can't be the best unless they do well this year (top 4 finishes at champs and Toronto is enough for me imo)
Emparatrixx [#59]current G2 is in conversation of the best team of all time.
not even top 5 until they have at least one international title
more garbage teams should try to be like Karmine Corp and make some interesting compositions. (im not saying karmine is bad btw)
Amygdala30 [#25]I actually agree with this👍 aspas has never been the best player on any of his teams besides I think mibr.
loud 23?
Yuniee44 [#38]Imo Heretics are 4 rookies that have massively exceeded expectations and lost 2 grands where they came from lowers and still went 3-2, all within their first year.
PRX have crumbled in important matches in which they were mostly favoured (remember they beat EG in uppers for example) and fell apart across multiple years.
I dont think we can equate the two teams until Heretics choke across multiple years really
but you really cant say alot about heretics because they kinda only played for a year so you gotta wait
Amygdala30 [#30]That’s just objectively wrong, not even a hot take
idk check stats + whos in toronto
maximumthehormone [#20]an actual hot take in this sea of lukewarm takes:
aspas is mid asf, got carried in his only tournament win and keeps himself relevant by popping off on irrelevant matches, but whenever push comes to shove he performs way below standard, especially in international events
champs grand final mvp btw
Raftlot [#58]buddy you JUST made a post about mako
this is what I'm saying by no one is this oblivious 🥴
also no matter the data and arguments people show you, you never change your mindanyway I dont feel like arguing with someone feigning ignorance
Are these also elysium alts then?
https://www.vlr.gg/481584/boaster-mako
https://www.vlr.gg/472117/mako-and-dos9
Are the people in the replies elysium alts too? https://www.vlr.gg/480341/are-we-getting-a-return-of-2022-mako
Amygdala30 [#25]I actually agree with this👍 aspas has never been the best player on any of his teams besides I think mibr.
lol you are a lost cause if you think he wasnt the best on LEV and now on MIBR, like actual hopeless levels of stupidity
m4 [#50]I've shown every person that has criticized me that I was right. The end results is never an apology.
I’m with you, Ive seen your comments. Some people just love to hate.
Amygdala30 [#31]He could just be a weaker dragon type then, Keep all his stars and just change him to dragon type how does it break anything.
Starter pokemon all are supposed to have types that counter each other. grass, water, fire, they are the 3 types.
If charizard has the dragon type fairy type isnt even existing and ice type makes 0 sense for blastioise
fleefrow [#65]Cold take G2 win Bangkok if the final was replayed like 9 times out of 10.
Yeah G2 were the better team they just choked pearl and it was sad.
akimb0_ [#64]my hot(cold) take is that you are mentally challenged
So instead of debating any of my threads you come to me and insult me? Nice job man👍
aquaa018s_alterego [#72]Starter pokemon all are supposed to have types that counter each other. grass, water, fire, they are the 3 types.
If charizard has the dragon type fairy type isnt even existing and ice type makes 0 sense for blastioise
Then why is Charizard even a starting Pokémon, it just seems like it was the creators fault
foythvlr [#63]loud 23?
to be fair i think Less was our best player that year but its not crazy to say that it was Aspas even thou i dont agree
Amygdala30 [#75]Then why is Charizard even a starting Pokémon, it just seems like it was the creators fault
Okay so you want to change the entire course of pokemon history now. He's the animes golden child why would one of the most used pokemons by notable trainers be a non psuedo or starter?
aquaa018s_alterego [#77]Okay so you want to change the entire course of pokemon history now. He's the animes golden child why would one of the most used pokemons by notable trainers be a non psuedo or starter?
I’m not saying you change it now I’m just saying when it was created it was obviously a flawed concept.
Veri [#76]to be fair i think Less was our best player that year but its not crazy to say that it was Aspas even thou i dont agree
less was a close 2nd but it does say a lot how the team brutally fell off after he left (saadhak schizophrenia aside)
foythvlr [#61]not even top 5 until they have at least one international title
When they get one I will have them top 3 all time
Amygdala30 [#80]When they get one I will have them top 3 all time
that would be pretty fair tbh
Galactc [#60]I disagree not because you are wrong but because they technically aren't the same team throughout the entire period so technically they can't be the best unless they do well this year (top 4 finishes at champs and Toronto is enough for me imo)
Thats fair. Im not being so clear here. Im thinking more about their gameplay so far this season.
mongu [#62]more garbage teams should try to be like Karmine Corp and make some interesting compositions. (im not saying karmine is bad btw)
Yeah some teams should maybe try and switch it up and throw new stuff at teams, sometimes it worlds and catches them off guard
Effluxi [#57]You defend more like the Iso/Yoru comps. Yeah, all the individual util pieces are slightly weaker alone but in the bigger picture the biggest loss is no Breach wall flashes so your Pheonix has to be in Iso spots instead of Breach ones (better for fragging) and no Omen off-angle tps, but you can experiment covering that with the unique stuff Astra dissipate brings instead. You've also got Astra and Phx util to imitate some of the Viper stuff in shorter bursts which is enough to break up hits or at least stall for rotates where you can hard flood retake like you want to on Haven already.
I kinda like this idea ngl, the flood retakes have always proven to work on haven really well with good util setup and positioning. You could pinch and fast flank really well.
foythvlr [#36]if loud made playoffs it would be because they would be actually capable of closing out advantages/winning a game so it might be true tbh
It would definitely be true, Loud were so close in every game but couldn’t close out.
Yuniee44 [#38]Imo Heretics are 4 rookies that have massively exceeded expectations and lost 2 grands where they came from lowers and still went 3-2, all within their first year.
PRX have crumbled in important matches in which they were mostly favoured (remember they beat EG in uppers for example) and fell apart across multiple years.
I dont think we can equate the two teams until Heretics choke across multiple years really
4 finals losses is a pretty big choke, if heretic didn’t choked more than them, then I consider it to be even. Prx had pressure of being the first apac team to win a trophy.
Deadlock is the best agent in the game and only got overshadowed because Tejo was insanely busted
snowconedeity [#87]Deadlock is the best agent in the game and only got overshadowed because Tejo was insanely busted
This is objectively wrong, not a hot take.
5 India player in T1 is vital for the future of development in India, we must endure few year of 0-12
Anguibok [#89]5 India player in T1 is vital for the future of development in India, we must endure few year of 0-12
Cold take, league needs more diversity
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Yoru was nerfed because of Tejo, if the agent did not exist, yoru would still be the way it was before the nerf
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KC will reach top 4 at champs and vita will get grouped
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(Colder) G2 will reach every grand final even the champs one.
number1_Demon1_fan [#91]
Yoru was nerfed because of Tejo, if the agent did not exist, yoru would still be the way it was before the nerf
KC will reach top 4 at champs and vita will get grouped
(Colder) G2 will reach every grand final even the champs one.
Yoru was definitely nerfed because of Tejo but the changes were good and needed a nerf.
Kc aren’t making champs
G2 won’t make champs final
efftee [#2]on the same note I think Loud got mad unlucky this split (it's cope)
bro dat is not a hot take at all
number1_Demon1_fan [#91]
Yoru was nerfed because of Tejo, if the agent did not exist, yoru would still be the way it was before the nerf
KC will reach top 4 at champs and vita will get grouped
(Colder) G2 will reach every grand final even the champs one.
KC are def not making it to champs.
G2 is not making to every grand final, upsets happen yk that.
shermie [#16]and thats the problem
It’s not a problem because his team gets better everytime
alienista1 [#26]maybe you are right, but it doesnt really make sense to me. probably just a portuguese-english semantics issue
A hot take is something that can be debated but the majority believe otherwise. Your take is just wrong cus there isn’t another team that’s shown as much as G2 as if this moment.
zellsis_enjoyer1 [#39]Top 3 aura VCT americas
Zellsis
Aspas
AsunaCold take tbh
Lz post trip wire🥶
T1 didn’t get worse after bangkok, they’ve been playing the same way all season long and their win was a fluke bigger than acend’s
Emparatrixx [#82]Thats fair. Im not being so clear here. Im thinking more about their gameplay so far this season.
Obviously, teams will keep on getting better and better as valorant progresses. Current G2 would shit on everyone in 2024 besides maybe EDG
lorenzopajaroFC [#103]T1 didn’t get worse after bangkok, they’ve been playing the same way all season long and their win was a fluke bigger than acend’s
Then that would mean APAC is multiple levels above every other region, not a hot take
MrHyphon [#106]Then that would mean APAC is multiple levels above every other region, not a hot take
They’re not, which is why DRX their best team went out in groups. T1 just began growing as the tournament progressed but it was never about tactical improvement.
Their success was entirely comprised of aura and hype moments, not quality
laggahh [#102]fns is a cancer to the league
Cold take fns should be a coach
lorenzopajaroFC [#103]T1 didn’t get worse after bangkok, they’ve been playing the same way all season long and their win was a fluke bigger than acend’s
No, they most definitely got worse. Just look at the prx game and how they played.
Amygdala30 [#99]A hot take is something that can be debated but the majority believe otherwise. Your take is just wrong cus there isn’t another team that’s shown as much as G2 as if this moment.
I get that they just won americas, but what they've also shown is being two rounds away from elimination against 100t and eg
bees [#110]I get that they just won americas, but what they've also shown is being two rounds away from elimination against 100t and eg
What other team is favorited to win over G2 then?
Amygdala30 [#30]That’s just objectively wrong, not even a hot take
I don't think you know what "objectively" means
bees [#112]I don't think you know what "objectively" means
He’s still wrong
Laundry [#42]omen is objectively a better duelist on attack than jett
smoke + TP is way too slow compared to dash. defenders would win at least one round just jumping in the smoke and killing him
AltonBu02 [#114]recon is the best phantom skin and it isn't even close
Cold take, it’s top 3 and it’s not 2 or 3
Amygdala30 [#111]What other team is favorited to win over G2 then?
My point isn't about any team in particular, just that you can't assertively say someone's take is wrong in this context.
Every team in the past two years has proven to be fallible, and Shanghai was the only tournament with a relatively predictable end result.
babi [#97]Chet > Potter (all time)
objectively wrong and js a shitty take
Both something and jinggg will dominate if they move to other team and play as dedicated entry duelists
Amygdala30 [#95]No he wasn’t? It was pancada
he was pANcada was tourney mvp, aspas was finals mvp
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No trophy win was a fluke or fraudulent (unless it's true that Gambit was forced to play on very little sleep).
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Tejo was never that overpowered, and his perceived dominance spoke more to the general playerbase's aversion to taking risks earlier in the round to reduce util-heavy late rounds.
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If Harbor had received his rework/buff by now, Tejo's pickrate would have plummeted even without a nerf.
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Sova is the most annoying agent to play against.
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Cypher, Omen, Astra, and Phoenix are the best solo queue ranked agents.
zellsis_enjoyer1 [#39]Top 3 aura VCT americas
Zellsis
Aspas
AsunaCold take tbh
none of them have aura
Zerphyr1 [#93]bro dat is not a hot take at all
I'm actually glad some people think the same!!
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