Why can’t he just be a streamer for Sentinels? Why are you putting a washed Jett player on the starting five to flex/controller when you literally have Pancada and Zellsis? Is it not better to have a great flex, and a top 5 smoke of all time in the roster instead? You sign a Brazilian duo to form an NA x Brazil superteam but make the dumb decision to not let go of the weak point of the team.
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yes bench the player with this performance
tenz is clearly the problem. he’s sitting too high on the scoreboard.
https://www.vlr.gg/286644/sentinels-vs-drx-afreecatv-valorant-league-winners-a
https://www.vlr.gg/282937/sentinels-vs-oxygen-esports-sentinels-invitational-d2
moonemi [#3]yes bench the player with this performance
tenz is clearly the problem. he’s sitting too high on the scoreboard.https://www.vlr.gg/286644/sentinels-vs-drx-afreecatv-valorant-league-winners-a
https://www.vlr.gg/282937/sentinels-vs-oxygen-esports-sentinels-invitational-d2
he is washed if he dont drop 30 each map thats their logic
moonemi [#3]yes bench the player with this performance
tenz is clearly the problem. he’s sitting too high on the scoreboard.https://www.vlr.gg/286644/sentinels-vs-drx-afreecatv-valorant-league-winners-a
https://www.vlr.gg/282937/sentinels-vs-oxygen-esports-sentinels-invitational-d2
3 matches where 2 are just mickey mouse tournaments and 1 lcq match where they lose 2-0 KKKKK
TriQo [#5]why would you bench a player that brings in viewership to the esport?
it doesnt really matter if Sentinels wins or lose because at the end of the day TenZ brings in numbers and thats what matters
Because when he was not playing the esport did not change? The idea that he brings viewership to the esport fucking died a year ago, we have eu fans, latam fans, apac fans, china fans, and non NA tenz fans as well.
Having like 1% of the community lost wont affect VCT at all
shubham932002 [#4]he is washed if he dont drop 30 each map thats their logic
Thats not even the point 🤣🤣🤣 the point was why stick to an inconsistent player instead of a world class smokes player pancada 🤣🤣🤣
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#6]3 matches where 2 are just mickey mouse tournaments and 1 lcq match where they lose 2-0 KKKKK
ohh i can chime in. you want more where tenz is on top of the scoreboard ? baby i got you.
https://www.vlr.gg/184032/sentinels-vs-furia-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w8
https://www.vlr.gg/282934/sentinels-vs-moist-x-shopify-sentinels-invitational-d1
https://www.vlr.gg/167368/sentinels-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-omega-ro16
notice how he’s on top? or are least consistently second within his own team? sure bench him if you want. sen’s lost.
FrenchToast [#11]ohh i can chime in. you want more where tenz is on top of the scoreboard ? baby i got you.
https://www.vlr.gg/184032/sentinels-vs-furia-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w8
https://www.vlr.gg/282934/sentinels-vs-moist-x-shopify-sentinels-invitational-d1
https://www.vlr.gg/167368/sentinels-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-omega-ro16
notice how he’s on top? or are least consistently second within his own team? sure bench him if you want. sen’s lost.
so you only add 1 good match, 1 mickey mouse, and another match where they lose 2-0 kkkkk 🤣🤣🤣🤣 and btw that 1 good match had bad performances in between proving his inconsistency 🤣🤣
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#12]so you only add 1 good match, 1 mickey mouse, and another match where they lose 2-0 kkkkk 🤣🤣🤣🤣 and btw that 1 good match had bad performances in between proving his inconsistency 🤣🤣
He’s had like two bad matches where he was sick…
better fragging
better comms
better flex
more creative than zellsis as a flex
but still bench him sure
pancada is great and better than tenz at the controller role but you dont need great controllers to form a winning team a decent controller is enough. jawg showed this to us literally few months ago
kitsuneHP [#15]better fragging
better comms
better flex
more creative than zellsis as a flex
but still bench him sure
pancada is great and better than tenz at the controller role but you dont need great controllers to form a winning team a decent controller is enough. jawg showed this to us literally few months ago
Zellsis is clearly a better flex
Pancada can literally frag
Zekken is obviously a better duelist
Sacy is already the initiator
Johnqt is an igl
a roster of Pancada, Sacy, Zekken, Johnqt, and Zellsis is CLEARLY better
Pengu12 [#13]He’s had like two bad matches where he was sick…
He had more than two bad matches bro 🤣🤣🤣 he was bad from start only had a few good performances 🤣🤣🤣 he’s inconsistent just admit the fact
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#16]Zellsis is clearly a better flex
Pancada can literally frag
Zekken is obviously a better duelist
Sacy is already the initiator
Johnqt is an igla roster of Pancada, Sacy, Zekken, Johnqt, and Zellsis is CLEARLY better
the glazing is crazy
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#17]He had more than two bad matches bro 🤣🤣🤣 he was bad from start only had a few good performances 🤣🤣🤣 he’s inconsistent just admit the fact
Ok tell me his bad matches please
Pengu12 [#19]Ok tell me his bad matches please
https://www.vlr.gg/183787/leviat-n-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w3
https://www.vlr.gg/183781/nrg-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w2
https://www.vlr.gg/232736/sentinels-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-lr1 (negative vs taco) 🤣🤣🤣
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#10]Thats not even the point 🤣🤣🤣 the point was why stick to an inconsistent player instead of a world class smokes player pancada 🤣🤣🤣
Cos who's p0nc0da
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#21]https://www.vlr.gg/183787/leviat-n-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w3
https://www.vlr.gg/183781/nrg-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w2
https://www.vlr.gg/232736/sentinels-vs-leviat-n-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-lr1 (negative vs taco) 🤣🤣🤣
Cloud 9 vs Sen wasn’t a bad performance just cause he went negative, he had insane util on kayo even if he wasn’t fragging out
He had the best performance on the team in lev vs Sen 🤣, ofc taco would do better if he has a good game and wins 26 - 12 even then Tenz was holding his own
So pretty much only 2 bad games
proud_bandwagoners [#20]Sen fans or precisely tenz fans are so gullible lol so easy to bait
I’m already a known horrible baiter and seeing them this mad I love it
Pengu12 [#23]Cloud 9 vs Sen wasn’t a bad performance just cause he went negative, he had insane util on kayo even if he wasn’t fragging out
He had the best performance on the team in lev vs Sen 🤣, ofc taco would do better if he has a good game and wins 26 - 12 even then Tenz was holding his own
So pretty much only 2 bad games
If you do worse vs taco you are bad 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#16]Zellsis is clearly a better flex
Pancada can literally frag
Zekken is obviously a better duelist
Sacy is already the initiator
Johnqt is an igla roster of Pancada, Sacy, Zekken, Johnqt, and Zellsis is CLEARLY better
pancada is downgrade lol cus of coms 💀
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#26]If you do worse vs taco you are bad 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He was 4-4 vs taco 💀 bro just straight up lying
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#25]I’m already a known horrible baiter and seeing them this mad I love it
1/10 bait for substance but 10/10 for response kkkkkkkk
wellinever [#30]imagine looking at someones KD and thinking its the be all and end all in a team environment... shows you have never competed in any game ever.
I imagine you would look at karrigans stats and say faze need to replace him as well.... fucking idiots
Cope is free but tenz is washed 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#10]Thats not even the point 🤣🤣🤣 the point was why stick to an inconsistent player instead of a world class smokes player pancada 🤣🤣🤣
I don’t think he has the ‘world-class’ title anymore
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#16]Zellsis is clearly a better flex
Pancada can literally frag
Zekken is obviously a better duelist
Sacy is already the initiator
Johnqt is an igla roster of Pancada, Sacy, Zekken, Johnqt, and Zellsis is CLEARLY better
better based on what? your opinion? I’m pretty sure there is a reason why Zellsis is starting and pAncada isn’t but it’s not as simple as stuff like ‘Pancada can literally frag’. I’m sure the sentinels coaches know more than we do and if you think you do, become a valorant coach
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#10]Thats not even the point 🤣🤣🤣 the point was why stick to an inconsistent player instead of a world class smokes player pancada 🤣🤣🤣
Because they tried playing with Pancada for an entire year and it didn't work
Tenz does lack in modern valorant game sense in some ways. However it is undeniable that he is still one of the most mechanically gifted players in the game. But you also have to think of it from an org/business standpoint kinda. Tenz brings sentinels a SHIT ton of fans and revenue. If he isn't necessarily throwing or losing games in spectacular fashion, why would you get rid of him? Plus there are alot of signs atm of him improving. I forgot where I heard this (most likely Sideshow or someone else on Plat Chat), but Tenz being on a flex role, learning new agents, gives him the ability to adapt to and learn alot more game sense that he lacks compared to others.
Hidero_ [#36]Tenz does lack in modern valorant game sense in some ways. However it is undeniable that he is still one of the most mechanically gifted players in the game. But you also have to think of it from an org/business standpoint kinda. Tenz brings sentinels a SHIT ton of fans and revenue. If he isn't necessarily throwing or losing games in spectacular fashion, why would you get rid of him? Plus there are alot of signs atm of him improving. I forgot where I heard this (most likely Sideshow or someone else on Plat Chat), but Tenz being on a flex role, learning new agents, gives him the ability to adapt to and learn alot more game sense that he lacks compared to others.
I think it was sideshow who said he can be a top flex itw
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#10]Thats not even the point 🤣🤣🤣 the point was why stick to an inconsistent player instead of a world class smokes player pancada 🤣🤣🤣
coaching staff knows what they're doing at the end of the day.
https://www.vlr.gg/286658/sentinels-vs-team-liquid-afreecatv-valorant-league-sf/?game=149807&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/286660/sentinels-vs-paper-rex-afreecatv-valorant-league-gf
https://www.vlr.gg/286644/sentinels-vs-drx-afreecatv-valorant-league-winners-a
https://www.vlr.gg/286642/sentinels-vs-paper-rex-afreecatv-valorant-league-opening-a
https://www.vlr.gg/282937/sentinels-vs-oxygen-esports-sentinels-invitational-d2/?game=147283&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/282934/sentinels-vs-moist-x-shopify-sentinels-invitational-d1
These EMEA fans when they realize Pancada is a great player but isn't a team player, and theres still doubters saying his Omen is shit when he had 32 on Omen beating DRX and is consistently 2nd on the team in assist and ACS.
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#31]Cope is free but tenz is washed 🤣🤣🤣🤣
never said he wasnt washed, but comparing KD isnt the metric that should be used..
lwrrzzs [#35]pancada is washed bot + cant aim
funny thing to say when ARDIIS is your duelist out of all people 💀
Breloof [#34]Because they tried playing with Pancada for an entire year and it didn't work
yeah if tenz played sentinel for an entire year it wouldn't be different
TheAceGamer30 [#27]pancada is downgrade lol cus of coms 💀
surely tenz is the second caller and without him the team fall apart right?
wellinever [#30]imagine looking at someones KD and thinking its the be all and end all in a team environment... shows you have never competed in any game ever.
I imagine you would look at karrigans stats and say faze need to replace him as well.... fucking idiots
karrigan is literally the igl, i don't know why suddenly tenz is the most important player for sentinels to work, it is like johnqt and kaplan aren't even there 💀
pixh [#50]the whole pancada argument has to end. it's like trying to argue ex-acend members should all be on starting rosters because they won a champs one year even though they are washed.
tenz won a masters 3 years ago and is on the roster wdym?
envyz [#45]coaching staff knows what they're doing at the end of the day.
I mean yes and no. remember that stint where they kept replacing players? Look how that worked out. took them forever to start winning (aka now) lol
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#10]Thats not even the point 🤣🤣🤣 the point was why stick to an inconsistent player instead of a world class smokes player pancada 🤣🤣🤣
is the inconsistency in the room with us? dont tell me, not dropping 30 every game is the '"inconsistency"
J0zza [#33]better based on what? your opinion? I’m pretty sure there is a reason why Zellsis is starting and pAncada isn’t but it’s not as simple as stuff like ‘Pancada can literally frag’. I’m sure the sentinels coaches know more than we do and if you think you do, become a valorant coach
ikr. at that high level, ANYONE can frag. so being a good fragger alone is not enough. for whatever reason they decided to bench him, we'll never truly know unless someone outright leaked it from the org lol.
h1gh_fall [#52]surely tenz is the second caller and without him the team fall apart right?
zellsis does most of the 2nd calling, but tenz also does make some good calls too
h1gh_fall [#51]yeah if tenz played sentinel for an entire year it wouldn't be different
you people pretend sentinel isnt the easiest role in the game when you break out this excuse LMAO bro couldnt figure out KILLJOY
shits easier to learn than reading bruh
Ah yes, the classic "this professional player is not who I want therefore they are shit" bit.
Both are good players, both provide their own value. The reason you don't see actual pros constantly have takes like these is because just like you, they'd be talking out of their ass.
Player personalities contribute massively to the environment which has a huge influence in the progression of the team. Some personalities are more beneficial some are more detrimental, some have bits of both. It is up to the team/coaching staff to determine what fits their vision best and therefore-who to keep on the active team.
I don't know anything too specific about it and neither do you, so quit yapping and move along.
finnwithtwons [#62]you people pretend sentinel isnt the easiest role in the game when you break out this excuse LMAO bro couldnt figure out KILLJOY
shits easier to learn than reading bruh
Killjoy is easy, lurking isnt. there is a reason Less is the best
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#8]Because when he was not playing the esport did not change? The idea that he brings viewership to the esport fucking died a year ago, we have eu fans, latam fans, apac fans, china fans, and non NA tenz fans as well.
Having like 1% of the community lost wont affect VCT at all
Why you so pressed about a different team bro 💀
You should worry more about who karmine corp is playing with
h1gh_fall [#53]karrigan is literally the igl, i don't know why suddenly tenz is the most important player for sentinels to work, it is like johnqt and kaplan aren't even there 💀
read my point again, im saying that if your looking at KD alone then you would for sure be kicking Karrigan from FAZE, but it goes much more than that.
Breloof [#34]Because they tried playing with Pancada for an entire year and it didn't work
they tried playing with tenz for an entire year and it didn't work out either 🗿
envyz [#46]https://www.vlr.gg/286658/sentinels-vs-team-liquid-afreecatv-valorant-league-sf/?game=149807&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/286660/sentinels-vs-paper-rex-afreecatv-valorant-league-gf
https://www.vlr.gg/286644/sentinels-vs-drx-afreecatv-valorant-league-winners-a
https://www.vlr.gg/286642/sentinels-vs-paper-rex-afreecatv-valorant-league-opening-a
https://www.vlr.gg/282937/sentinels-vs-oxygen-esports-sentinels-invitational-d2/?game=147283&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/282934/sentinels-vs-moist-x-shopify-sentinels-invitational-d1
These EMEA fans when they realize Pancada is a great player but isn't a team player, and theres still doubters saying his Omen is shit when he had 32 on Omen beating DRX and is consistently 2nd on the team in assist and ACS.
wtf does "isn't a team player" mean, every player mostly plays in whatever way the team intends for them to play and tenz isn't known for being some great morale booster or something
and you're comparing the smokes champs mvp to a guy who did well on smokes in AFREECA TV AND SEN INVITATIONAL LMFAO, can't even make this shit up
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#10]Thats not even the point 🤣🤣🤣 the point was why stick to an inconsistent player instead of a world class smokes player pancada 🤣🤣🤣
because world class smokes player pancada shitted the bed multiple times
dexter000111 [#43]Tenz on jett is good enough to win any tournament in the world and carry.
But on any other agent, he's mid
Flair
uwukitten [#74]wtf does "isn't a team player" mean, every player mostly plays in whatever way the team intends for them to play and tenz isn't known for being some great morale booster or something
and you're comparing the smokes champs mvp to a guy who did well on smokes in AFREECA TV AND SEN INVITATIONAL LMFAO, can't even make this shit up
We really still bringing up champs 2022, like that shit wasn't nearly 2 years ago and the meta has shifted drastically since then, then we use the excuse Pancada had to change roles and play KJ, like he didn't play Viper aswell, and KJ and Omen have simmilar playstyles they are both hard anchors. He's been insanely inconsistent last year the worse rated sentinel player in all of VCT, which isn't good since you have players who've never touched T1 playing last year like Ban from T1 etc.
uwukitten [#74]wtf does "isn't a team player" mean, every player mostly plays in whatever way the team intends for them to play and tenz isn't known for being some great morale booster or something
and you're comparing the smokes champs mvp to a guy who did well on smokes in AFREECA TV AND SEN INVITATIONAL LMFAO, can't even make this shit up
and if anybody was MVP of champs 2022 its either Sacy or Aspas be fucking serious.
cioccolat [#68]Killjoy is easy, lurking isnt. there is a reason Less is the best
A controller player lurks nearly as much as the sentinel, usually teams will run a 1-3-1 default where smokes and sentinel hold extremities and/or lurk
Couple that with Pancads ineffectiveness with English comms and his tendencies for mistakes and mis-comms it's a no brainer he was benched
h1gh_fall [#51]yeah if tenz played sentinel for an entire year it wouldn't be different
Ur acting like tenz isnt switching roles right now and notnplaying pretty well
cioccolat [#68]Killjoy is easy, lurking isnt. there is a reason Less is the best
but thats not a learning experience for pancada, hes supposed to do that anyway on smokes
Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#10]Thats not even the point 🤣🤣🤣 the point was why stick to an inconsistent player instead of a world class smokes player pancada 🤣🤣🤣
Bro, as much as i love pANcada, he is not as good anymore as he was in LOUD. Compare his matches in LOUD and in SEN and you will see, that no he struggles to even get a positive KD.
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