Sentinels vs. Team Liquid | AfreecaTV Valorant League | Playoffs | Valorant match

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN	8 7 +1	15 2 +13	9 8 +1	16 13 +3	15 9 +6
Zellsis SEN	7 10 -3	12 8 +4	10 6 +4	8 8 +0	4 3 +1
johnqt SEN	11 7 +4	5 8 -3	8 7 +1	9 9 +0	10 7 +3
TenZ SEN	9 13 -4	6 5 +1	10 10 +0	5 7 -2	12 2 +10
Sacy SEN	7 8 -1	5 6 -1	5 9 -4	9 4 +5	3 10 -7

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN	2 3 -1	4 1 +3	1 2 -1	9 5 +4	2 1 +1
Zellsis SEN	1 1 +0	2 1 +1	1 0 +1	1 2 -1
johnqt SEN	1 0 +1	0 1 -1	2 1 +1	1 1 +0	0 1 -1
TenZ SEN	1 2 -1		0 1 -1	1 1 +0	0 1 -1
Sacy SEN		1 0 +1		1 1 +0

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN	1 1 +0			2 1 +1	1 0 +1
Zellsis SEN	0 1 -1
johnqt SEN
TenZ SEN	1 0 +1			0 1 -1	1 0 +1
Sacy SEN

	2K	3K	4K	5K	1v1	1v2	ECON	PL	DE
TenZ SEN	8		2		1		57	3	1
Sacy SEN	6	2			1		41	7	3
Zellsis SEN	6	3					53	3	0
johnqt SEN	6	1	1		1		57	5	1
zekken SEN	8	4	3	1		1	82	2	2
Enzo TL	5		1			2	49	9	0
nAts TL	12	2	1		1	1	63	1	2
Mistic TL	2	3			1		38	4	1
Jamppi TL	10	3			1		51	5	1
Keiko TL	6	4			2		51	1	5

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN	3 1 +2	5 1 +4	2 2 +0	6 5 +1	5 4 +1
Zellsis SEN	3 1 +2	5 5 +0	4 2 +2	5 1 +4	2 1 +1
johnqt SEN	4 2 +2	1 4 -3	3 2 +1	3 2 +1	4 5 -1
TenZ SEN	3 4 -1	3 3 +0	4 3 +1	2 2 +0	6 0 +6
Sacy SEN	4 2 +2	3 1 +2	3 5 -2	2 1 +1	1 3 -2

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN		1 0 +1	0 1 -1	5 2 +3	0 1 -1
Zellsis SEN	1 0 +1	2 1 +1
johnqt SEN	1 0 +1	0 1 -1	1 1 +0	1 0 +1	0 1 -1
TenZ SEN	1 0 +1
Sacy SEN

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN
Zellsis SEN
johnqt SEN
TenZ SEN	1 0 +1				1 0 +1
Sacy SEN

	2K	3K	4K	5K	1v1	1v2	ECON	PL	DE
TenZ SEN	5 Round 7 Enzo Mistic Round 8 Enzo Keiko Round 9 Jamppi Mistic Round 14 Mistic Enzo Round 15 Keiko Jamppi				1 Round 21 Jamppi		69	2	0
Sacy SEN	3 Round 12 Enzo Jamppi Round 16 nAts Jamppi Round 20 Jamppi Keiko	1 Round 19 Keiko Mistic nAts					53	4	2
Zellsis SEN	3 Round 3 Mistic Jamppi Round 15 Mistic nAts Round 16 Mistic Keiko	1 Round 18 Mistic Keiko Jamppi					67	0	0
johnqt SEN	1 Round 13 nAts Keiko						51	2	0
zekken SEN	1 Round 21 Mistic Enzo	1 Round 11 Keiko Mistic nAts	1 Round 10 Mistic Enzo Keiko nAts	1 Round 17 Keiko Jamppi Mistic Enzo Jamppi			85	1	1
Enzo TL	3 Round 8 zekken johnqt Round 14 zekken Sacy Round 20 johnqt Zellsis					1 Round 9 TenZ johnqt	45	3	0
nAts TL	1 Round 5 TenZ johnqt		1 Round 17 TenZ Sacy zekken Zellsis			1 Round 17 zekken Zellsis	42	1	1
Mistic TL		3 Round 2 Zellsis TenZ johnqt Round 7 Sacy johnqt Zellsis Round 9 zekken Zellsis TenZ			1 Round 13 johnqt		45	1	1
Jamppi TL	2 Round 6 Sacy Zellsis Round 15 johnqt Sacy	2 Round 1 zekken Sacy TenZ Round 21 Sacy Zellsis johnqt					54	0	1
Keiko TL	2 Round 6 TenZ johnqt Round 13 Zellsis TenZ						38	0	0

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN	2 3 -1	4 0 +4	2 2 +0	6 4 +2	3 4 -1
Zellsis SEN	1 6 -5	2 3 -1	4 2 +2	0 4 -4	0 1 -1
johnqt SEN	4 3 +1	2 2 +0	4 1 +3	3 5 -2	4 2 +2
TenZ SEN	2 7 -5	1 1 +0	0 5 -5	0 1 -1	4 1 +3
Sacy SEN	0 3 -3	0 5 -5	0 3 -3	3 1 +2	0 4 -4

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN	1 1 +0		1 0 +1	3 2 +1	1 0 +1
Zellsis SEN	0 1 -1		1 0 +1	0 2 -2
johnqt SEN			1 0 +1
TenZ SEN	0 2 -2		0 1 -1		0 1 -1
Sacy SEN

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN	1 1 +0			2 1 +1	1 0 +1
Zellsis SEN	0 1 -1
johnqt SEN
TenZ SEN				0 1 -1
Sacy SEN

	2K	3K	4K	1v1	ECON	PL	DE
TenZ SEN	1 Round 1 Enzo Mistic				34	0	0
Sacy SEN					18	2	1
Zellsis SEN	1 Round 6 Mistic Jamppi				35	0	0
johnqt SEN	2 Round 8 Keiko Mistic Round 15 Jamppi Keiko	1 Round 13 Jamppi Enzo nAts	1 Round 17 nAts Jamppi Mistic Enzo		74	3	1
zekken SEN	3 Round 4 Keiko Jamppi Round 7 Keiko Mistic Round 10 Keiko Enzo		1 Round 2 Jamppi Keiko Enzo Mistic		82	0	0
Enzo TL	1 Round 13 Sacy zekken		1 Round 7 Zellsis Jamppi zekken Sacy		56	5	0
nAts TL	8 Round 2 Zellsis johnqt Round 6 Zellsis TenZ Round 8 TenZ Sacy Round 9 Zellsis zekken Round 10 TenZ Zellsis Round 12 TenZ Sacy Round 13 Zellsis TenZ Round 17 zekken Sacy				100	0	1
Mistic TL	2 Round 4 Sacy johnqt Round 16 TenZ Sacy				52	2	0
Jamppi TL	4 Round 5 Sacy TenZ Round 9 Sacy TenZ Round 11 zekken Zellsis Round 14 TenZ Zellsis				47	3	0
Keiko TL	2 Round 3 Sacy zekken Round 17 Zellsis johnqt	2 Round 12 Zellsis johnqt zekken Round 18 zekken TenZ johnqt		1 Round 17 johnqt	44	0	3

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN	3 3 +0	6 1 +5	5 4 +1	4 4 +0	7 1 +6
Zellsis SEN	3 3 +0	5 0 +5	2 2 +0	3 3 +0	2 1 +1
johnqt SEN	3 2 +1	2 2 +0	1 4 -3	3 2 +1	2 0 +2
TenZ SEN	4 2 +2	2 1 +1	6 2 +4	3 4 -1	2 1 +1
Sacy SEN	3 3 +0	2 0 +2	2 1 +1	4 2 +2	2 3 -1

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN	1 2 -1	3 1 +2	0 1 -1	1 1 +0	1 0 +1
Zellsis SEN				1 0 +1
johnqt SEN				0 1 -1
TenZ SEN				1 1 +0
Sacy SEN		1 0 +1		1 1 +0

	nAts TL	Mistic TL	Jamppi TL	Keiko TL	Enzo TL
zekken SEN
Zellsis SEN
johnqt SEN
TenZ SEN
Sacy SEN

	2K	3K	4K	1v1	1v2	ECON	PL	DE
TenZ SEN	2 Round 15 Keiko nAts Round 17 Jamppi Mistic		2 Round 3 Jamppi nAts Keiko Enzo Round 9 Enzo nAts Jamppi Mistic			67	1	1
Sacy SEN	3 Round 4 Mistic Keiko Round 5 Keiko nAts Round 12 nAts Jamppi	1 Round 2 nAts Enzo Mistic		1 Round 10 Enzo		53	1	0
Zellsis SEN	2 Round 8 Mistic nAts Round 14 Mistic Enzo	2 Round 1 Keiko Mistic Enzo Round 7 Keiko Jamppi nAts				56	3	0
johnqt SEN	3 Round 6 Enzo Jamppi Round 10 nAts Mistic Round 13 nAts Keiko			1 Round 6 Jamppi		45	0	0
zekken SEN	4 Round 4 Enzo Jamppi Round 6 Keiko nAts Round 12 Mistic Keiko Round 15 Enzo Mistic	3 Round 5 Mistic Jamppi Enzo Round 8 Enzo Jamppi Keiko Round 11 Enzo Mistic Jamppi	1 Round 18 Mistic Keiko Enzo Jamppi		1 Round 1 nAts Jamppi	79	1	1
Enzo TL	1 Round 6 Sacy zekken				1 Round 7 johnqt Zellsis	47	1	0
nAts TL	3 Round 5 johnqt zekken Round 9 zekken Zellsis Round 11 Zellsis johnqt	2 Round 1 Sacy TenZ Zellsis Round 13 zekken Sacy TenZ		1 Round 11 johnqt		48	0	0
Mistic TL						18	1	0
Jamppi TL	4 Round 1 johnqt zekken Round 6 TenZ Zellsis Round 10 TenZ johnqt Round 14 johnqt zekken	1 Round 16 Sacy johnqt Zellsis		1 Round 4 zekken		53	2	0
Keiko TL	2 Round 7 TenZ zekken Round 18 johnqt Zellsis	2 Round 4 johnqt Zellsis Sacy Round 11 Sacy TenZ zekken		1 Round 13 johnqt		70	1	2

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Maengboo

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PRX 2-0 SEN

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WhatADrag

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you fcking moron, SEN and PRX are in same group, they cant face each other in semifinals

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geezlouise

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im dying

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SENBobstar

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bobstar is back: NA > EU

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Maengboo

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ok mr smartass

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pugboy

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nice one

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Genieinthebottle

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LMAO

#75

DownKnee

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he was actually talking about Finals, the dude is oracle trust me

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PLRoox

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Chill Chill man

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Orangepanda

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Smartest pooperrex fans

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Maengboo

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groups wasn't revealed 2 weeks ago as well as who's who will face in the bracket, yet ppl come after the comment just yesterday with the groups revealed. but it's ok you wouldn't able to understand because ur orangepanda. take this smartass L 😂😂😂😂😂

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aidmadeit

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take this L smartass nerdge

#56

Maengboo

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y0y

#71

Enquiemmm

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it's SEN fans bro they are braindead😂

#52

thatpower

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EASY FOR LIQUID

Orangepanda

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EZ for LIQUID 2-0 (any 0 TROPHY REGION 🫵🤡)

number1_cned_hater

-1

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why do u hate asia so much

Cromawarrior48

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he's bullied by asian kids at school

Orangepanda

-15

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tbh my gf is from Asia

Orangepanda

-5

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Look my player flair. I don't hate Asia duh 🙄

pessi_41

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we give the easy group to emea

solsolid

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omg there's no lower bracket

ionlyHave1Zuni

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SEN 2-0 this fraudulent oponent

#12

cobalt21312

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easy sen 2-0

#13

LuffyVlr

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SEN 2x1 TL/T1
SEN 2x0 EDG

#14

IReallyLoveHotMoms

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SEN 2-0 TL

#15

widepeepofrosty

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sen 2-0 evaporated no diff

#16

bhggjkl

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Sen vs T1

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solsolid

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SEN vs EDG

tarik will be there

#22

1ucid

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sen 2-0 TL

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Bluez

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Sen 2-1 TL

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zahin10188

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Banger match tbh. We did not have any tl vs sen since 2021 champs iirc back when 🐐scream and l1nk were in the roster and when sen still had sick. Although i support tl I think sen takes this tbh

#25

PLEXOP

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TL GONNA LOSE SEN WINNING THIS EVENT🔥🔥
SEN VS T1

#28

zahin10188

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Botssi

#26

trola

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its been so long since the last TL vs Sen

#29

batchestingveryhard

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sen 2-0
liquid can’t beat na teams no mo

#30

LyCan52

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TenZ gonna farm tl so hard 💀🗿👍

#65

TabberTheSleeper

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Dont jinx it

#31

spicytuna

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sen 2-0 tl

#32

EMEAstan

-5

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Easy 2-0 for TL, they won't lose maps for the rest of the tournament imo

#55

OkOkay

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LOL ZEKKEN DROPPED A WC ON YOUR FRAUD REGION

#33

Killuax54

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EZ SEN win LULquid will be owned by zekken
Jhonqt masterclass
TenZ 50 bomb smoke these dogshit EU trash

#34

zahin10188

-10

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Flair

#42

Killuax54

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so what?

#35

dsdsfdfdsdf

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most hype match. they havent played each other since 2021

#36

Nefarious_

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Daddy tenz too hot causing liquid to evaporate. SEN 2-0

#51

eltrix

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bars

#37

phm04

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What a game and an even better rematch

#38

Sh1bak1ng2

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Finally TenZ vs Nats
First master champion king vs second master champion king

#63

Charism

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That's so sick, I didn't even notice that

#39

piggyaini

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sen vs old fnc core back at it again
sen 2-0 tl

#43

Zeron

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tl 2-1 nats lurk gonna get them the win

#44

PoonRaccoon

-1

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sen 2-0 tl

#45

yungbasel

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SEN 2-0 . Would love to be wrong, but not a chance

#46

txnzi

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sen 2-1 tl

#47

hawkval

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SEN 2-0 or 2-1, they just look better.

#48

gobby

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I got sen winning but TL will put up a fight. its most likely gonna go map 3 with an OT somewhere.

#49

hunkkz

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SEN 2 - 1 TL

#50

MorphinN

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2-1 for TL. Liquid always surprises us

#53

jamONE

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I want SEN to win. Hope they don't choke.

#54

wijayaprat

-4

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NA > Pacific > EMEA > China

#57

douradoxp

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thanks for free 1.6 on sentinels

#59

XqcAbdul

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thanks for 2.3 on lulquit

#148

douradoxp

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💀

#58

stromfil

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Probably TL wins that one.
tho SEN somehow went from losing a map to tarik to winning the best APAC teams

#60

DeOwaOwa

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SEN 2-1 TL

#61

mycool57

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The Joker SEN 2:1 TL

#62

cristiadu

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rooting for liquid here

#64

Pooh

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My brain tells me Team Liquid wins but my heart tells me to have faith in Sentinels

MY HEART WAS RIGHT LETS GO SEN

#66

johnnybowlcut

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Free odds on Liquid. Easy. Sentinels average fan age: 12

#67

XqcAbdul

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10 yo max

#74

beenchilling

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Talking about age with global Embarrassment flair is criminal

#68

PandaShampoo

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Liquid at plus odds seems like the play to me. Sentinels has looked pretty good but they’re still the same team capable of losing a 5v2 to two classics. I’ll ride with liquid

#69

feared-

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sen 2-0

#70

AlexSMTxx

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I can't believe we are in a time where Sentinels are actually the favorites

#72

sussybaka

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who said that?

#73

Shizzle

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didnt they beat ur shitty 4th place team?

#76

ALoKi007

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It's hard to choose between these two teams 😭🤌
But since I am a sentinal fan...
SEN 2-1 TL

#77

Diablo74

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SEN 2-1 TL, Jamppi drops 70 but still lose

#78

Bo_Zenga

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Sen win, My goat Zekken goes hard

#79

Sonatine

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I guess you don't have to be a genius to think that Sentinels could win this quite sovereign. :P

The only thing I hope to see from Liquid is that they try to give SEN a hard time etc. - since it's the same scenario as it would be at an official Major when you face a better team (and I hope to see a Yoru vs. Yoru again).

I say:
SEN 2-1 TL

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destroylonely

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zekken diffs keiko

#81

Sonatine

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You don't say?! :D zekken is one of the most experienced Flex players in Tier 1 and keiko never played Tier 1.

#86

shawn813

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bad excuse

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Sonatine

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What excuse? xD

#82

Narot

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here comes dogshit tps

#89

Manikanta

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hahaha cry more that aggressive omen playstyle owned world class EU team.....he can play passive,he can be aggressive, he can rifle, he can OP, he can clutch......TENZ better

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Loba

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Why Indians are so emotional? Gets offended so easily!

Neither of you are either NA or EU and India is in Asian a new whole continent. One gets so hurt coz a team from EU lost write dogshit. But irony is he a radiant or more I guess not. Funny thing is one other Indian guy gets offended for his comment he laughs and den says to cry a fellow Indian here. He is like my brother Tenz Tyson Singh praises and takes credit for plays. Might have shared tips how to play omen in twitch chat may be who knows.

#96

ALoKi007

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You have no right's to talk here bro. I stalked your profile and it surely sounds the same as this chat... 💀

#97

Loba

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Sorry bruh didnot read you constitution on VLR and its fundamental rights of an VLR user. So for violating the right or rights.

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Manikanta

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why are you getting offended by the way.....why you are writing paragraphs lol...neiother of us is toxic and we are good with each other ...you are making a big drama that something happend lol

#83

fictional

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TL is struggling to win a map against tier 2 NA import. hoping them to win against tier 1 NA team is a lot of copium

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kysma

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You do realise that 3/5 liquid players are tier 2 imports right?

#84

giantnutsack12345

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That was a disgusting thrifty wtf

#85

ALoKi007

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You mean the sacy one?

#87

TakeM00N

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Wow. I genuinely thought Sentinels was a meme. My sincere apologies

#88

1ucid

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Jay46

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Ngl, tenz must decrease his gambling tp

#93

MAHVEL

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I don't believe this run of form from sentinels. It's still the off-season. Ill wait till VCT masters to confirm my confirmation bias.

#95

cartixuzi

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We’ve watched these EU buffoons run home crying to Fnatic all of last year, flaunting a false sense of superiority. EU fans might be the textbook example of Dunning Kruger. The way that they think FNATIC represents all of their region is laughable. Behind Fnatic is a gaping hole, almost as big as my asshole. Fnatic is quite literally the only bright spot in the sad hole that is EU valorant.

#113

hontonikireidesu

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Don't have to be mean to other regions, I mean... Where's EG now?

#114

cartixuzi

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split, whats ur point.

#98

branflakes

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NA is a 1 team region

#99

Zeron

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tl come onnnn oh yeahhh 9-4 for tl
lets gooo 1-1. nats go get 3omb in sunset pls

#100

XqcAbdul

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damn only tenz and jamppi left on both team since they last meet

#101

ButterflyEffect23

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if TL wins, EMEA will talk real loud

#102

cyrxs

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All goods NA will take Sunset to close it out.

#103

1ucid

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liquid haven is playing so well.Enzo successfully trasferred apeks playstyle to liquid

#104

destroylonely

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sacy disasterclass

#105

Mr-322

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13-9 3rd map

#106

PENTAKIM

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surely sacy is there for just brazil fans now that pancada is gone

#108

ButterflyEffect23

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i dare you to come to Brazil

#107

Twentytwo

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Pancada looking at these numbers and smiling

#109

Bot_teams

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sacy will get kicked after this

#110

finnwithtwons

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sacy is a bot on skye

#111

-1

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nats 65/0/0s these frauds on sunset

#134

Manikanta

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WHAT NOW?

#112

Bot_teams

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ENZO odin will destroy Sen

#116

nastyblaster

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Sayf instead of keiko would be a s tier team

#117

ButterflyEffect23

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this keiko kid ain't looking good

#120

cyrxs

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clueless

#118

1ucid

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jammpi is marshall god

#119

TakeM00N

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CHECK HIM PC

#121

Zeron

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9-3 curse?

#122

HAHAHAHAHA123

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fucking bot johnqt hahaha

#141

Manikanta

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WHO BOT?

#143

MIKA-IL

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just stfu u don't know a shit about the game

#123

XqcAbdul

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keiko new fraud?

#124

paanuu

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who is this Keiko LMAO

#125

paanuu

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Keiko is not HIM

#126

bingbongbing123

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this TL roster reeks of 2022 fnatic

#151

shamrock

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Mistic forever cursed by sentinels. It's his kryptonite

#127

yehfela

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TL,only bully the tier 2 and tired team

#128

Twentytwo

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Yo keiko you're getting dropped before the season starts buddy

#129

Vtash

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TenZ looks ready

#130

Bot_teams

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No odin xD

#131

Bo_Zenga

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Expected result, it was a non Fnatic EU team

#132

Azua

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duelist diff so hard 😩

#133

hunkkz

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Keik0

#135

1ucid

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nice match ,ez moeny

#136

AgentBananaBoi

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ggs to both teams, was kinda hoping for an OT again though

#137

hunkkz

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Sacy, please don't play Skye again

#145

Peteer

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He plays so much better with fade and sova

#138

sussybaka

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Scripted

#139

TakeM00N

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More like... Kekko 😆

#140

Sonatine

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zekken is one of the best Flex players in the world, without a doubt. That dude is INSANE. Also TenZ is more than ready again... the whole synergy at SEN is amazing. So glad they're finding back their old strength. VCT 2024 Masters with Sentinels fighting for the trophies will be a great year.

Also Liquid looked great on Haven and in some certain situations. I bet that team can get really strong in the future. keiko needs some confidence, though.

GGs

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Dromnox

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Sen Win
Prx vs Sen final
Result prx 3-1 mark my word

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Jellzy

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welp, would you look at the result lol

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Peteer

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Why They didnt play w sova and breach on heaven?Maybe If They did something like c0m where he used to play w sova in other maps would work better idk

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Charism

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Probably trying out stuff cuz they had solid split and sunset ig.

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UnrivaleD

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YEAH DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE scream and nivera were definitely the problem lol. i feel bad for nats wasting his talent , but he walks in scream's shoes now :(

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eltrix

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CHECK HIM PC

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shamrock

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Zellsis might be the best breach itw

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mcqz

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Mistic playing again in tier 1 is a joke