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NA hope is gone

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#1
Faraday

It seems clear that apart from C9 americas is just much worse then previously thought.
emea looks a bit better and pacific is rng

Kinda unfair for americas, cuz without chamber crutch they won't be able to stop pacific aggression or EMEA disciplined play

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🥱

#3
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without chamber ICANT

#4
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stopped reading at faraday

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Asuna_Yuuki
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NRG clears c9 lil bro

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As an eu fan, I feel like my region is the same

It's just Fnatic. Maybe Liquid/NAVI if we're lucky but I doubt it

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average faraday schizopost

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common faraday W

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moatz [#6]

As an eu fan, I feel like my region is the same

It's just Fnatic. Maybe Liquid/NAVI if we're lucky but I doubt it

W

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Asuna_Yuuki [#5]

NRG clears c9 lil bro

based on w/l? guess not
based on round dif? guess not
based on h2h? guess not
based on Lock // In? guess not

where is NRG better again?

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moatz [#6]

As an eu fan, I feel like my region is the same

It's just Fnatic. Maybe Liquid/NAVI if we're lucky but I doubt it

'As an eu fan'
Is that how americans say fake flagger?

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each region has their pros and cons and Americas is equivalent to them. I mean even in NA you’ve got C9 and NRG that are insane, EG who are always capable of an upset, and SEN/100T who with time can become insane with discipline. Even the “worst” subregion still has shining moments. not a single subregion is not represented in playoffs rn, and that goes to show that there is at least some balance within the leagues.

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moatz [#6]

As an eu fan, I feel like my region is the same

It's just Fnatic. Maybe Liquid/NAVI if we're lucky but I doubt it

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Faraday [#10]

based on w/l? guess not
based on round dif? guess not
based on h2h? guess not
based on Lock // In? guess not

where is NRG better again?

bro said "based on lock // in" 😭😭

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last place (kru) got maps off c9 and loud, nrg struggled against most other playoffs and even non playoffs teams, and 5 teams finished 4-5 without knowing who reaches playoffs until the last match which was an upset btw, but i guess its easier to judge based on stats and not based on watching the actual matches, because emea almost had a 4 way tie from 7th to 10th with their wins being only between them and the matches being clown fests (i would never ever watch koi vs hrcs hrcs vs kc or kc vs koi ever again and neither their matches against bbl but i would rewatch mibr vs kru for example) and the 6 playoffs slots being locked since pretty much week 7 because of no impactful upsets on the league at all, yet you think emea level is higher? or was it because they lacked a real competition at all?

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moatz [#6]

As an eu fan, I feel like my region is the same

It's just Fnatic. Maybe Liquid/NAVI if we're lucky but I doubt it

As an honest NA fan i must say EMEA looks ALOT stronger than Americas right now. FUT and TL look VERY good, FNC is the best roster to exist, NAVI are top 4 itw and Giants are very solid too

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Bro is acting like EMEA and pacific aren't 2 team regions 😭

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If eu had 5 slots like NA they would be so much better of a region.

They have 5 good teams worth of players spread out among 10 teams.

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bro was so sick of being teamless he decided to become a zeta fan, i can't

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Yistyy [#17]

Bro is acting like EMEA and pacific aren't 2 team regions 😭

gen.g fell off fr FeelsBadMan

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Faraday [#10]

based on w/l? guess not
based on round dif? guess not
based on h2h? guess not
based on Lock // In? guess not

where is NRG better again?

nrg did better than c9 at lock in dumbass

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stop reading at New Zealand

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LouBag [#18]

If eu had 5 slots like NA they would be so much better of a region.

They have 5 good teams worth of players spread out among 10 teams.

tbh they have like 20 duelists flexing initiators while koi has wolfen and heretics has keloqz LMAO disastrous af

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FLAG and FLAIR

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koromast [#20]

gen.g fell off fr FeelsBadMan

We really thought they had an upset chance against drx... and then they lost 5 in a row...

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Yessirskiiii [#16]

As an honest NA fan i must say EMEA looks ALOT stronger than Americas right now. FUT and TL look VERY good, FNC is the best roster to exist, NAVI are top 4 itw and Giants are very solid too

Poopy poopy yessirskiii

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TheBigBoiPenguin [#21]

nrg did better than c9 at lock in dumbass

doesnt matter sentilul fan

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Yessirskiiii [#16]

As an honest NA fan i must say EMEA looks ALOT stronger than Americas right now. FUT and TL look VERY good, FNC is the best roster to exist, NAVI are top 4 itw and Giants are very solid too

i was thinking that giants was really solid until they lost to heretics. they will likely make tokyo though

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Yessirskiiii [#16]

As an honest NA fan i must say EMEA looks ALOT stronger than Americas right now. FUT and TL look VERY good, FNC is the best roster to exist, NAVI are top 4 itw and Giants are very solid too

😭😭😭😭

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koromast [#15]

last place (kru) got maps off c9 and loud, nrg struggled against most other playoffs and even non playoffs teams, and 5 teams finished 4-5 without knowing who reaches playoffs until the last match which was an upset btw, but i guess its easier to judge based on stats and not based on watching the actual matches, because emea almost had a 4 way tie from 7th to 10th with their wins being only between them and the matches being clown fests (i would never ever watch koi vs hrcs hrcs vs kc or kc vs koi ever again and neither their matches against bbl but i would rewatch mibr vs kru for example) and the 6 playoffs slots being locked since pretty much week 7 because of no impactful upsets on the league at all, yet you think emea level is higher? or was it because they lacked a real competition at all?

I think you're a bit biased. Like I am an EMEA glazer, but in reality both of the leagues are very same in the bottom. I have watched both shit games like koi vs hrt/hrtc vs KC and games of 100T, SEN, LEV and all of them are equal levels of trash. Only exception is EG, whose gameplay looks good but the players are not. Another similarity is that all of the clout teams from both regions could not make playoffs. KC, Heretics, BBL, KOI all pleased their fans but couldnt progress. Same with the biggest clout orgs like SEN, 100T and KRU couldnt do shit.
Also, competitiveness is not equal to higher quality games. 100T and SEN just have way more fans, so they are not called out for being overrated teams just like liquid in 2021 and 2022.

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benmaimoon [#13]

S+:FNATIC
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I’d argue that loud could have easily beat fnatic at lock in and so are equal to them. Tho I think fnatic would still win

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BoF7ooM [#30]

I think you're a bit biased. Like I am an EMEA glazer, but in reality both of the leagues are very same in the bottom. I have watched both shit games like koi vs hrt/hrtc vs KC and games of 100T, SEN, LEV and all of them are equal levels of trash. Only exception is EG, whose gameplay looks good but the players are not. Another similarity is that all of the clout teams from both regions could not make playoffs. KC, Heretics, BBL, KOI all pleased their fans but couldnt progress. Same with the biggest clout orgs like SEN, 100T and KRU couldnt do shit.
Also, competitiveness is not equal to higher quality games. 100T and SEN just have way more fans, so they are not called out for being overrated teams just like liquid in 2021 and 2022.

there wasnt a single banger on emea this regular phase and on the other hand we got kru vs loud, eg vs lev, lev vs 100t nrg vs loud, cloud 9 vs nrg, lev vs furia, eg vs loud and a lot more of good games with big quality at fundamentals and teamplay, ofc we dont have as much micros as emea but more than half of their micros (specially the ones from the bottom teams) fail and look like trolling, we here have less micros but the gunplay of americas is next level tbh, any mfer is able to clutch important rounds and has got a banger round or match throughout the league even some kru players and saying they couldnt do shit despite of how 7/9 matches actually got to 3rd map and close 11-13 or overtimes just proves it out, and there is ten times more sen threads in this vct months than there´s been about liquid last year LMAO. and also i hardly see "liquid fix threads" while all the americas teams who lose a match have atleast one per each loss.

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koromast [#15]

last place (kru) got maps off c9 and loud, nrg struggled against most other playoffs and even non playoffs teams, and 5 teams finished 4-5 without knowing who reaches playoffs until the last match which was an upset btw, but i guess its easier to judge based on stats and not based on watching the actual matches, because emea almost had a 4 way tie from 7th to 10th with their wins being only between them and the matches being clown fests (i would never ever watch koi vs hrcs hrcs vs kc or kc vs koi ever again and neither their matches against bbl but i would rewatch mibr vs kru for example) and the 6 playoffs slots being locked since pretty much week 7 because of no impactful upsets on the league at all, yet you think emea level is higher? or was it because they lacked a real competition at all?

I like this take

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koromast [#32]

there wasnt a single banger on emea this regular phase and on the other hand we got kru vs loud, eg vs lev, lev vs 100t nrg vs loud, cloud 9 vs nrg, lev vs furia, eg vs loud and a lot more of good games with big quality at fundamentals and teamplay, ofc we dont have as much micros as emea but more than half of their micros (specially the ones from the bottom teams) fail and look like trolling, we here have less micros but the gunplay of americas is next level tbh, any mfer is able to clutch important rounds and has got a banger round or match throughout the league even some kru players and saying they couldnt do shit despite of how 7/9 matches actually got to 3rd map and close 11-13 or overtimes just proves it out, and there is ten times more sen threads in this vct months than there´s been about liquid last year LMAO. and also i hardly see "liquid fix threads" while all the americas teams who lose a match have atleast one per each loss.

I watch koi v Navi like the first week, was hyped because that was a fire match, and then every single match after that was the largest snooze fest itw. GG

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chimpy [#31]

I’d argue that loud could have easily beat fnatic at lock in and so are equal to them. Tho I think fnatic would still win

actually i agree with you but fnatic are a bit looking better than loud imo. if you still say both are equal i would understand tho

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koromast [#32]

there wasnt a single banger on emea this regular phase and on the other hand we got kru vs loud, eg vs lev, lev vs 100t nrg vs loud, cloud 9 vs nrg, lev vs furia, eg vs loud and a lot more of good games with big quality at fundamentals and teamplay, ofc we dont have as much micros as emea but more than half of their micros (specially the ones from the bottom teams) fail and look like trolling, we here have less micros but the gunplay of americas is next level tbh, any mfer is able to clutch important rounds and has got a banger round or match throughout the league even some kru players and saying they couldnt do shit despite of how 7/9 matches actually got to 3rd map and close 11-13 or overtimes just proves it out, and there is ten times more sen threads in this vct months than there´s been about liquid last year LMAO. and also i hardly see "liquid fix threads" while all the americas teams who lose a match have atleast one per each loss.

That's because liquid fans were more delusional.
Also the only banger games and close games from KRU were against 100T, MIBR and SEN, only a few maps went 11-13. Its almost like you casually forgot about all the maps that they were able to get less than 7 rounds in total. What about the close games heretics put out against giants, map wins against NAVI or KC 13-11? Oh wait, you dont even watch the games. You're delusionally biased. You think SEN vs KRU is close, but disregard BBL vs KC. The fact that stands is the lowest wins in EMEA league is 2, whereas the lowest in Americas is zero.
When I put games like KC vs Heretics, KOI vs BBL, and every KRU and 100T game on mute with no vlr or chat, I see the same B-tier gameplay.
Keep on underestimating EMEA, last time you gave your incredible take on how suygetsu had fallen off and was mid he did this to one of the best rated teams from the most competitive league in valorant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNIoG48i6Q0
Same thing will happen as you keep on sleeping on Liquid, Giants and FUT and soon the new cope will be how games are boring in EMEA and dont get enough views lol, after this bullshit of "non-competitive league" gets disproven yet again.

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south_america_best_region [#14]

bro said "based on lock // in" 😭😭

C9 beat PRX
Nrg beat koi and giants?

nrg lost against the first real opponent they got
C9 first two matches were real opponents

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TheBigBoiPenguin [#21]

nrg did better than c9 at lock in dumbass

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Yistyy [#17]

Bro is acting like EMEA and pacific aren't 2 team regions 😭

Yeah but foxy9 and something are improvements to the top teams
Loud are still good but less then champs last year

Like I said, apart from C9 top
Americas has gone down
EMEA top continues to be top
Pacific top has gone up

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Chow1E [#24]

FLAG and FLAIR

No pride in his country and KC
Embarrassing

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Faraday [#37]

C9 beat PRX
Nrg beat koi and giants?

nrg lost against the first real opponent they got
C9 first two matches were real opponents

come on i'm a prx fan but we all gotta admit prx was trolling hard at lock//in

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NA: NRG, C9
EMEA: FNC, Na'Vi, maybe TL? Flip a coin to see if TL deserve to be mentioned or not
APAC: DRX, PRX
SA: LOUD, FUR/LEV when they stop trolling (why did you start trolling LEV😭)

Every region has 2/3 teams so...? I don't see where NA is losing, and saying NA can't stop EMEA discipline when they have FNS in NA is kinda wild but okay. Overall, NA are fine, they just did shit this group stage, so calm down. I will say though, EMEA and APAC do have more promising teams than NA, Like GIA, VIT, FUT, or T1, TS, and ZETA. NA just doesn't have the results in their teams needed to say that they have those kind of promising teams, except maybe 100T, who kinda let us down this time around.

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milflover92 [#42]

NA: NRG, C9
EMEA: FNC, Na'Vi, maybe TL? Flip a coin to see if TL deserve to be mentioned or not
APAC: DRX, PRX
SA: LOUD, FUR/LEV when they stop trolling (why did you start trolling LEV😭)

Every region has 2/3 teams so...? I don't see where NA is losing, and saying NA can't stop EMEA discipline when they have FNS in NA is kinda wild but okay. Overall, NA are fine, they just did shit this group stage, so calm down. I will say though, EMEA and APAC do have more promising teams than NA, Like GIA, VIT, FUT, or T1, TS, and ZETA. NA just doesn't have the results in their teams needed to say that they have those kind of promising teams, except maybe 100T, who kinda let us down this time around.

Thats because chamber abusers have only played each other in america and haven't been showed yet

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