Are people sleeping on Liquid?

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IIIShadyIII

I think people are underestimating Liquid in this tournament. I know they haven't been together for a long time like other teams but the team just seems to have a lot of potential. It's almost a super-team at this point.

Sayf is probably the player that comes closest to Yay.
nAts is just nAts. He hasn't played for a while so people might have forgotten how insane he is.
Redgar is a top-tier IGL with decent mechanics too.
Jamppi is cracked.
Soulcas might be the weakest one here but he's still a really good player imo.
And then of course eMIL, the brother of doombros, he is a top tier coach too for sure.

It seems a bit unlikely for them to win Lock-in but I wouldn't be surprised if they did, given the fact that in Valorant any team can beat any other team when least expected. Anyways, in the future, I definitely see them sticking together and hopefully winning an event.

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That sayf line ruins the post.
Probably a little exaggeration. Sayf is still very good though

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ItsMeDio

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lol

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patuj

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I mean Sayf's Chamber was really good. His stats from Copenhagen and LCQ are insane. Especially considering that in Copenhagen he played vs OpTic, KRU, PRX and FPX. And in LCQ his team went 1-2.

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IIIShadyIII

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Yeah, unfortunately most people don't know how to look at stats in the presence of various variables. For most it's just about who won the tournament, who won some non-repeatable clutches or who hits the craziest flicks.

You're right about the stats, sayf was on top in Copenhagen even though he was on the losing team: https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=all&event_id=1014&series_id=all&region=all&country=all&min_rounds=200&min_rating=1550&agent=all&map_id=all&timespan=all

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IIIShadyIII

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hahaha... it might be a bit exaggerated but lets see. There isn't enough content out there on Sayf so people don't really get to see how good he is. I think Yay went negative for the first time when playing against Guild. Even NRG made an offer to Sayf before Ardiis to replace Yay which definitely means something. Sentinels made an offer to him too. The Acend roster also ranked him as the 2nd best player in EMEA after Nukkye.
P.s I've been a Yay and nAts fan since Envy and Gambit and I still think Yay is still the best player right now.

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Moiraine

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Where did you hear that these teams made offers to sayf ?

Why would he refuse that much money ? NA salaries are like 10x emea ones, this is hard to believe.

Also am i the only one disgusted that NA is already trying to import when we’re barely 3 years into the esport ? Like bruh, valorant is the most popular in NA out of all regions, and NA has so many cracked Oppers wtf is wrong with that dumbass region ?

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IIIShadyIII

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Sayf said it himself on stream: https://youtu.be/jXcdmV25lIA

I don't see the problem with importing players. If someone is good then why not make them an offer? Most e sports teams aren't even profitable so winning is a big thing for them. The prize pool is usually decent, have a larger fan base afterwards which results in more revenue generated from their content and merchandise.
It's not only about hitting crazy shots with operator. Many players have far better mix of consistency, timings, util usage, team play and game knowledge which can't be replicated easily.

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patuj

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Syyko(SEN coach) said on interview that they were talking to Sayf(and Ardiis) when trying to find op player.

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Yeah I still hold him in high regards. Though I think there a few players closer to yay than sayf.
Sayf has a very good opportunity to become a top player now that he is in liquid, though the meta isn't as op heavy

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IIIShadyIII

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Sayf on top?

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unknown_trash

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Sayf on top followed by THREE FNATIC PLAYERS. WOW it really shows both how dominant and stacked fnatic is and how hard sayf is carrying TL.

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IIIShadyIII

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Zyppan on 7th and Boaster on 10th too, Fnatic really seems like a tier above all other teams.

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I don't think I've seen people underestimate Liquid. we've been more focused on the alpha bracket tbh. But I think most people respect Liquid and are waiting to see what the roster can do.

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thatpower

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the best teams rn are the ones that obviously kept their core and i just don't see them beating navi

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Mousemute

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It literally just comes down to two players that haven’t seen international play in over a year

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Netero

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They got a cupcake bracket to qualify

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LouBag

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I think liquid is good. I would say slightly overhyped.

FNC/NAVI
Liquid
Rest of EMEA

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Brain_Needle482

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I ain't underestimated Liquid, I have them winning their bracket

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LULE

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no, no one is sleeping on them, it's just so obvious that nobody talks about how good they are.

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Wronghand

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no

Literally been saying their equal with Navi and Fnatic, with those being like the top 3 teams globally.

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Nobody is sleeping on them. But as someone sane and have seen liquid being overrated for over two years because of them being a big org, it is most normal to think NAVI a top 4 champs team with their roster intact like DRX should be preferred over liquid a superteam yes, but still really young. Expect them to get better over the year but asking them to win the whole thing already is bit of a reach. FNC and NAVI should have a much deeper stratbook.

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i feel like people arent not talking about them alot because they will play navi , and navi look dangerous in this meta with cned
i hope they win but i think its too soon for them to get a team like navi

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deathlyclaws

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Stopped reading at that sayf line

#20

IIIShadyIII

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Don't even bother leaving a comment next time. If you don't have anything nice or meaningful to say then don't say anything at all.

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acels2

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sayf literally 0 achievements, closest to yay LMFAOOOO

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IIIShadyIII

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https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=all&event_id=1014&series_id=all&region=all&country=all&min_rounds=200&min_rating=1550&agent=all&map_id=all&timespan=all

Higher Rating, K/D, ADR, ACS, KPR on 4 different agents than Yay who only played Chamber.
Pretty sure yay would have 0 achievements too if he was still on Andbox. It's a team game, you can't judge performance of individuals based on achievements.

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User011098

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2-0 team secret

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joellogic

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Most ppl are I think

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Jimmythemick22

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I have them going to the final 4 and then losing...not sleeping on them at all. They are stacked.