SEN real problem

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blazennn

roles.
Everyone seems uncomfortable on what they are playing.

Tenz on Kayo is working but he clearly isn’t developed on the role
Zekken on KJ, though it was only one game clearly it only hindered his ability to make space for the team and didn’t seemed prepared for the role
Deph… in all fairness he went from a entry IGL role to a passive IGL role on the sentinel which isn’t a easy adjustment. What’s worrying is his clear lack of ability to make set calls and execute.
Sacy and pAncada are the only ones sticking to the roles they’ve played, and Sacy has looked good but not as he was. How did we not see how fucked these roles would be

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Their existence is the real problem

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moatz

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Dw I'll let Sykko know
We'll cook smtng up

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let him cook

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theyve practiced for like 1 week lol they'll look better at Sao Paolo (Sacy and Pancada home crowd buff + dephh kind of a lanimal) and probaby be a contending team once the actual season starts.

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the one week excuse is lame. They have beat it into everyone’s head this narrative that they won’t do well because of it. If they weren’t sitting there constantly pointing it out I would take it into consideration. But it was like they were preparing to lose which alone is L mentality

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???? are you retarded or baiting

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ahhh we have another vlr user who thinks he’s hot shit. Keep sucking SEN’s cock when they show up to Sao with this same bs they’ll get cooked

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your an actual smooth brained incel if you think players from 3 different teams and 2 coaches from different teams arent gonna need some time to formulate a gameplan for every map. Especially when you take into account that some of them are having to play new agents and even new roles. You got downvoted for a rzn bc your logic is shit.

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it rlly feels like youre the one that thinks theyre hot shit T_T

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i refuse to believe human beings can be that stupid

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did you truly expect them to win when they haven’t pracc’d on maps like fracture

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dude they literally beat TSM on fracture yesterday. These excuses are wild, just take a L and move on it’s not hard. It was clearly more than just them not practicing enough but whatever fan boi

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every day vlr users impress me with how unintelligent they are. let me get this straight: 1) you expect a team to play a map like they have 3 months of pracc immediately 2) you think a t1 team going even with a t2 team without any pracc means they’re dogshit 3) you think I’m on a team or something bc what L are you talking about?

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Do u even support sen?

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I support logic and hope pros don’t let the shit fan base get to their heads

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thats why ur based

Also the SEN players didnt seem to care that much

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bro.....THEY WERENT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE INVITATIONAL

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None of them are real problems. TenZ was kay O was great throughout the tournament, if you expect him perform similar to his Jett performances statistically then that's just unrealistic. Also, they would never put him on kayO on all maps(specially IB) where jett is super viable and borderline broken. zekken on kj isn't a problem cz you would never see that in an actual match. Dephh's calling was fine but he couldn't aim for shit, with a confidence boost he can change that. Scay and pANcs are just getting comfortable.

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dephh calling was definitely questionable and seemed like he was lost especially on Icebox. There were a good amount of times where the star players were clearly just taking aim duels in situations they shouldn’t. Sacy and pAncada should look a little more comfortable playing off of each other, I remember specifically on split when Trent clutches and both of them were holding towards heaven. Zekken on KJ is a big ? and that comp looks amazing, but Zekken on Kayo seems much more reliable. Tenz looked fine on it but I believe Zekken could of even played the role better.

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As I have said you wouldn't see these comps like zekken on kj, tenz on kayo every map, dephh on sage instead of viper so these are not actual problems cz they would never do it. They tried experimenting and they only played maps that they haven't yet practiced/scrimmed, that says something.

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sgares explained the issue with dephhs igling at the lt invit.

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This is what happens when you buy 5 star players and smush them together hoping for the best

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Isn't that what c9 did, my friend

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not rlly

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let's be honest. c9's a good team but it certainly does not have 5 star players

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C9’s core 3 have been playing together longer than they’ve played valorant

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brobeans

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Then they should do it more often. Brand new team competing that well against top t2 teams is impressive

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blazennn

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when they were made out to be a all star team. Not to impressive really

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brobeans

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is there some new tech where all star teams spawn with 3 months of practice and team chem?

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ItsHunter

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sit down my guy, your hate boner for sen is unsightly

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Copium

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Ironic

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TenZ on the Kayo is frankly ridiculous. He really excelled on the first rendition of Sentinels as a hard entry/get-first-kill kinda guy (a role that’s now being filled by Zekken so there are issues there). How can you possibly say you’re “building” around a player and then chuck him onto an agent which is frankly a support and not allow him the freedom to play what he’s most comfortable with

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It takes more than 4 days of practice to master an agent

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if you have been WATCHING tenz and LISTENING to him talk on-stream you would know that he has been experimenting with using Kay/O for a long time (since mid-November with the team shakeups). And it’s not about mastery of an agent, it’s about roles and in a best case scenario what that particular agent can do for you.

take that SEN flair off if ur not a real fan

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Just cause I don’t watch his stream doesn’t mean I do t support him, also he streams at like 6 in the morning for me

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extan

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ok yeah don’t make assumptions then about how long he’s played the damn agent for

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I meant on scrims

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His kayo was good

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extan

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it’s not about whether he’s “good” on that agent, ofc he’s going to frag decently with the skill calibre he’s has, I’m saying the impact he can achieve on kayo (a supportive agent) is fair less than other agents

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not if hes uncomfortable playing duelist on those maps. Thats like saying Leaf playing viper is killing his impact as compared to when he plays skye or jett. NO IT ISNT. If on certain maps a player is uncomfortable playing their regular role then it isnt an issue if they decide to lock another role and play for someone else. Its completely common and i dont know why youre making it out to be a proven negative statistic

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Look, neither you or I can ask tenz right now if he’s genuinely more “comfortable” on the kayo, though I’d argue that he’s not- considering he’s been on duelist since the beta and likely shifted over to make room for zekken’s agent pool. Either way it doesn’t matter, but what DOES matter is the fact that yes, leaf’s impact got hit dramatically on the viper (ie. he can no longer show off his brilliant early round fragging ability cause it’s too risky), and yes tenz’s kayo is NOT as good as his Jett. It’s not bad, but when you have a top 5 raw talent in the world “not bad” is frankly not good enough.

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you realize he had 25 assists in his first game playing KO right

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extan

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kayo assists are stupid: every suppression from knife and ult gives one you can’t use it as an impact metric when the average for kayo users should be around 15 anyways

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TenZ is a one-trick Jett and it makes it hard for this team to work when it has another duelist to try to fit into a comp.

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ItsHunter

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and thats exactly why they dominated on a map theyve never played before with tenz on the kayo role getting 25 assists and having a ton of impact frags.
Yea keep talking

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thatpower

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its the same thing with t1 and probably a lot of other franchised teams. just give them some time even after sao paulo

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brazilians obviously

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criso1

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strongest eu fan lmao

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Their fan base

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🤓🤓

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I think they should keep running the double duelist comp. when you're good at something and even better than most teams at it, why not do it? why try to follow the "meta" per se when that meta isnt working for you. I think they really excelled in taking trades, the rotations, on defense while their attack looked unbeatable. They have something cooking with the double duelist, I hope they try it in actual tourneys too.

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problem is imo double duelist has a lot of inherent flaws that simply dont exist when going with 1 duelist

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but the meta was working for them so i dont know what youre on about

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Sen's real problem is that they're playing Fnatic round 1 in single elim

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yeah a lot of SENs issues are going to go unchecked because theyre playing shit team round 1 :/

Def going double duelist and just destroying Botster, no way for him to counterstrat it