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Darkstratus [#5]people dont like it but tenz
Could have been. But now he is stuck in the wrong team (again)
factsonly [#6]Gonna take some time to find whos king of valo
Took some years for cs too
Its dumb ppl say yay/tenz but there are many ppl who play support and can frag harder than yay t3nz
oh yeah fs but I'm talking about best player all time this far
idkbro [#12]derke/chronicle best 2 players itw not even close
plus cNed, literally won champions while carrying kiles and bonercold
Muted_Jett [#10]Could have been. But now he is stuck in the wrong team (again)
He went through 2 Tier 1 teams on the region and everything went to shit after some time.
Maybe he is the problem?
PrTsty [#13]plus cNed, literally won champions while carrying kiles and bonercold
bro zeek is literally better. Cned was just a momentary star.
Tanzim [#17]bro zeek is literally better. Cned was just a momentary star.
zeek was better at champ yeah but cNed has been insane for 1.5 months consistently on top of his team and singe handedly winning them maps
number1_MIBR_hater [#16]He went through 2 Tier 1 teams on the region and everything went to shit after some time.
Maybe he is the problem?
he is literally one trick jett what do u expect kkkk
Tanzim [#17]bro zeek is literally better. Cned was just a momentary star.
bro cned when he is running hot is undoubtly the best palyer in the world
his op just doesnt miss
PrTsty [#18]zeek was better at champ yeah but cNed has been insane for 1.5 months consistently on top of his team and singe handedly winning them maps
zeek is literally still better go watch the match stats man and 1.5 months? really how does being insane for 1.5 months make him amazing as i said cned was a momentary star and was deffo great at his peak but now no
number1_MIBR_hater [#16]He went through 2 Tier 1 teams on the region and everything went to shit after some time.
Maybe he is the problem?
Took you this long to figure it out?
TrickVAL [#22]FNS as IGL, tenz as duelist, chronicle as support, n4ts as sentinel, DRX as a team
drx have never even reached top 4 in a international tourney
TrickVAL [#22]FNS as IGL, tenz as duelist, chronicle as support, n4ts as sentinel, DRX as a team
FNS is debatable, DRX is kinda wrong, Tenz is just wrong
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ [#26]drx have never even reached top 4 in a international tourney
they have been #1 in there region basically forever, no other teams have found that consistency, there peak isnt what makes a GOAT its consistency over time
KoreanOverlord [#25]chronicle might be the best player, but hes no simple
makes sense since all the other m3c players are so good looking, he has to be rock hard
TrickVAL [#28]they have been #1 in there region basically forever, no other teams have found that consistency, there peak isnt what makes a GOAT its consistency over time
but then u could say the same about kru
Giannero [#27]FNS is debatable, DRX is kinda wrong, Tenz is just wrong
what other duelist would you put?
TrickVAL [#28]they have been #1 in there region basically forever, no other teams have found that consistency, there peak isnt what makes a GOAT its consistency over time
Bro, they're dominant in a region who's average level is not that high, they only had 1 good showing at a LAN where do you see consistency
Giannero [#33]Bro, they're dominant in a region who's average level is not that high, they only had 1 good showing at a LAN where do you see consistency
they have had bad lan showings but if you dive deeper into the matches they were often very close games against the best teams at the event
TrickVAL [#28]they have been #1 in there region basically forever, no other teams have found that consistency, there peak isnt what makes a GOAT its consistency over time
Gambit has been also very consistent in a much harder region (they only fell short to qualify to masters 2 last year because of one game and this time they had unlukcy circumstances)
patuj [#21]No real goats yet, but I think nAts is the closest. Changed how sentinel role was played (Cypher and Viper) and also won Masters 3 while playing in Champions finals as well.
W take
TrickVAL [#32]what other duelist would you put?
Even tho yay plays more chamber now, I think his jett is still S+, derke needs no explanation and cNed did the unthinkable last year. But now I'm curious, why did you choose tenz? It would be nice to hear from a pro
TrickVAL [#35]they have had bad lan showings but if you dive deeper into the matches they were often very close games against the best teams at the event
Can't argue with that, but imo they need another really good placement to be declared as contenders for the most consistent team
PrTsty [#36]Gambit has been also very consistent in a much harder region (they only fell short to qualify to masters 2 last year because of one game and this time they had unlukcy circumstances)
i agree for sure its just hard to put them or sen up there when yes both were #1 teams in region and world for periods when they have fell off recently, ik its not there fault but its hard to justify mentioning them as the best
Giannero [#41]Can't argue with that, but imo they need another really good placement to be declared as contenders for the most consistent team
ya i think the spot is up for grabs since we are early in the game
TrickVAL [#42]i agree for sure its just hard to put them or sen up there when yes both were #1 teams in region and world for periods when they have fell off recently, ik its not there fault but its hard to justify mentioning them as the best
Gambit won first strike, masters 1, placed 3rd in EMEA challengers 2, won masters 3, were 2nd in champions, missed masters 1 (which they wouldnt be able to attend anyways) by 0.02 seconds, they didnt really fall off, they had 2 bad games
TrickVAL [#22]FNS as IGL, tenz as duelist, chronicle as support, n4ts as sentinel, DRX as a team
DRX are really clean and when they are confident and at their peak they could prob beat any team in the world.
But they haven't showed that consistency. I think the team that has shown that same peak DRX has, only consistently, is Gambit.
If DRX get their shit together AKA they fix their mental/choking issues they 100% could be a cleaner Gambit. You can see Gambit aren't as precise and clean as DRX, but they are a lot more organic and less likely to choke.
The SKT of League/the OG of Dota 2/the Astralis of CSGO would be a team that can be as strategic as DRX while also having the flexibility of Gambit, mark my words.
Giannero [#40]Even tho yay plays more chamber now, I think his jett is still S+, derke needs no explanation and cNed did the unthinkable last year. But now I'm curious, why did you choose tenz? It would be nice to hear from a pro
yay is more scary than tenz in the server rn for sure but tenz has been that guy since beta and yay has only come into the top spot for the last few majors (which is still insanely impressive)
TrickVAL [#47]yay is more scary than tenz in the server rn for sure but tenz has been that guy since beta and yay has only come into the top spot for the last few majors (which is still insanely impressive)
Redgar as igl he always be smilom
Fns mald and gets frustrated
True leader doesnt
TrickVAL [#28]they have been #1 in there region basically forever, no other teams have found that consistency, there peak isnt what makes a GOAT its consistency over time
Consistency is measured in international performances not in regional dominance because that doesn’t take into account the region’s overall level, if so I could say Loud>>>Optic cause loud is much more dominating in BR
If you wanna go with international performances AND regional dominance than Gambit takes the W
PrTsty [#44]Gambit won first strike, masters 1, placed 3rd in EMEA challengers 2, won masters 3, were 2nd in champions, missed masters 1 (which they wouldnt be able to attend anyways) by 0.02 seconds, they didnt really fall off, they had 2 bad games
Yeah Gambit has been top there for longest time + had been showing incredible games at international event
I think its fair to say that Gambit its closest to have an ERA in val
idkbro [#12]derke/chronicle best 2 players itw not even close
Derke kekw who dropped <200 acs on FPX stage 1? Not my top 1 player
hiyo [#56]Derke kekw who dropped <200 acs on FPX stage 1? Not my top 1 player
still better than any player in FPX will ever be
Chovymaker [#15]Derke? KEKW
whats funny? its common knowledge he is the best itw, sadly he is a 1 man army
PrTsty [#13]plus cNed, literally won champions while carrying kiles and bonercold
nah, he is insane but not on the level of those 2, not nearly as complete and too 1 demensional sometimes for my liking
Avix [#57]Unpopular opinion but cryo he just needs a better team
Definitely an unpopular opinion. Dude can’t be considered a goat if he’s never even played internationally yet.
Tanzim [#23]zeek is literally still better go watch the match stats man and 1.5 months? really how does being insane for 1.5 months make him amazing as i said cned was a momentary star and was deffo great at his peak but now no
years not months
Zephyros [#20]bro cned when he is running hot is undoubtly the best palyer in the world
his op just doesnt miss
yay is like that all the time, I rarely see him miss shots
TrickVAL [#22]FNS as IGL, tenz as duelist, chronicle as support, n4ts as sentinel, DRX as a team
Redgar better IGL than FNS + Derke and Cned shit on tenzedzombie who is not even good nowadays against decent teams, how is drx goat team? the only reason they have been number 1 in their region for so long is because every1 else sucks not because they are good, no wonder you guys cant get past opens even in a tier2 region!
idkbro [#61]nah, he is insane but not on the level of those 2, not nearly as complete and too 1 demensional sometimes for my liking
u did not say 1 dimensional about cNed. there's no way
archetype [#45]DRX are really clean and when they are confident and at their peak they could prob beat any team in the world.
But they haven't showed that consistency. I think the team that has shown that same peak DRX has, only consistently, is Gambit.
If DRX get their shit together AKA they fix their mental/choking issues they 100% could be a cleaner Gambit. You can see Gambit aren't as precise and clean as DRX, but they are a lot more organic and less likely to choke.
The SKT of League/the OG of Dota 2/the Astralis of CSGO would be a team that can be as strategic as DRX while also having the flexibility of Gambit, mark my words.
drx aint strategic, they just spam gimmicks no strategy at all, there is a big difference between strategy and tactics, gambit are the best strategically tho
61Hiko [#68]u did not say 1 dimensional about cNed. there's no way
literally jett op abuser who plays hyper aggressive, he is very 1 dimensional atm compared to other players
Darkstratus [#5]people dont like it but tenz
good take imo
Rejecting every possible argument below
One trick jett: Maybe at champions, but he's been playing raze too. He says he wishes he could play chamber for SEN but Shaz doesn't want him to.(Not TenZ's Fault)
Done nothing since iceland: Let's take SEN's most recent game for example. Do you really call dropping 40 on LG nothing? Sure SEN didn't win, but it that really TenZ's problem? SEN's roster does not fit with tenz's playstyle, plus, are we talking about Greatest player or greatest team?
Too Agro(1 dimentional): if you are not in Pro play, or look at pro games very seriously, then you cannot make this argument. Having looked at hundreds of hours of vods, i can say TenZ is not a one dimentional player. He knows when to agro and when to not(Most of the time).
This is talking ab TenZ as a duliest, not as other roles.
Not saying TenZ is the GOAT, but He is def one of the best, Downfrag me if you want, but the facts are here and if you don't like it, that just means you are blind and biased
I hate to say it but TenZ.
obviously an insane mechanical player and has 2 masters under his belt. Too bad he's only good at 1 agent.
Other than him i'd probably say Yay is the best player in the world right now; just won masters and is consistently >300 ACS, doesn't have the historical event wins though.
Sinatraa would still be better than both :P
idkbro [#72]literally jett op abuser who plays hyper aggressive, he is very 1 dimensional atm compared to other players
Tell me u don't watch cNed, without telling me u don't watch cNed.
I like how u downvote me and give urself an up.
TrickVAL [#22]FNS as IGL, tenz as duelist, chronicle as support, n4ts as sentinel, DRX as a team
Surprised you didn't mention ShahZam, best IGL+Player+Streamer in the multiverse!
Cheasle2 [#79]I hate to say it but TenZ.
obviously an insane mechanical player and has 2 masters under his belt. Too bad he's only good at 1 agent.Other than him i'd probably say Yay is the best player in the world right now; just won masters and is consistently >300 ACS, doesn't have the historical event wins though.
Sinatraa would still be better than both :P
Sinatraa wouldn't even be top 20 players currently. Sinatraa wasn't even the best player on his team at a time when yay was playing for freakin Andbox, leaf just moved over from CS on a shitshow C9 team and TenZ was chilling as a content creator LMAO
HuntersFury [#81]Surprised you didn't mention ShahZam, best IGL+Player+Streamer in the multiverse!
true honestly I love shahzam so much i even watch his stream when hes on the other team!
PigExe [#77]good take imo
Rejecting every possible argument below
One trick jett: Maybe at champions, but he's been playing raze too. He says he wishes he could play chamber for SEN but Shaz doesn't want him to.(Not TenZ's Fault)
Done nothing since iceland: Let's take SEN's most recent game for example. Do you really call dropping 40 on LG nothing? Sure SEN didn't win, but it that really TenZ's problem? SEN's roster does not fit with tenz's playstyle, plus, are we talking about Greatest player or greatest team?
Too Agro(1 dimentional): if you are not in Pro play, or look at pro games very seriously, then you cannot make this argument. Having looked at hundreds of hours of vods, i can say TenZ is not a one dimentional player. He knows when to agro and when to not(Most of the time).This is talking ab TenZ as a duliest, not as other roles.
Not saying TenZ is the GOAT, but He is def one of the best, Downfrag me if you want, but the facts are here and if you don't like it, that just means you are blind and biased
I don't think there is any roster that fits Tenz playstyle
HuntersFury [#82]How are people forgetting cNed? Won the first official tournament of valorant and also won the most important one so far! If he is not the GOAT then it has to be TenZ or someone from Gambit right. yay wasn't even the MVP in Reykjavik! Great player but yaysexuals are literally bandwagoners lmao
marved > yay
idkbro [#59]whats funny? its common knowledge he is the best itw, sadly he is a 1 man army
KEKW KEKW KEKW KEKW KEKW
PigExe [#77]good take imo
Rejecting every possible argument below
One trick jett: Maybe at champions, but he's been playing raze too. He says he wishes he could play chamber for SEN but Shaz doesn't want him to.(Not TenZ's Fault)
Done nothing since iceland: Let's take SEN's most recent game for example. Do you really call dropping 40 on LG nothing? Sure SEN didn't win, but it that really TenZ's problem? SEN's roster does not fit with tenz's playstyle, plus, are we talking about Greatest player or greatest team?
Too Agro(1 dimentional): if you are not in Pro play, or look at pro games very seriously, then you cannot make this argument. Having looked at hundreds of hours of vods, i can say TenZ is not a one dimentional player. He knows when to agro and when to not(Most of the time).This is talking ab TenZ as a duliest, not as other roles.
Not saying TenZ is the GOAT, but He is def one of the best, Downfrag me if you want, but the facts are here and if you don't like it, that just means you are blind and biased
nah he is inconsistent as fck
as much as how hard Tenz carry SEN, it means nothing if he not pop off when the most matter
idkbro [#69]drx aint strategic, they just spam gimmicks no strategy at all, there is a big difference between strategy and tactics, gambit are the best strategically tho
false. anybody above diamond can see that even in basic fundamentals and synergy DRX are a well oiled machine. Tarik pointed out how barely seconds after spike was planted DRX had formed a really good triple crossfire. That stuff isn't a gimmick. What is a gimmick is stuff like yay's double updraft on Icebox. That he doesn't even use in pro games. DRX's set plays and executes are copied by or inspire other top teams around the world. (new 100Thieves literally made their own version of one of DRX's Icebox plants) That's no gimmick. Ask any reliable analyst, coach, or pro player and they will tell you at the very least that DRX are a very good strategical and tactical team.
HuntersFury [#83]Sinatraa wouldn't even be top 20 players currently. Sinatraa wasn't even the best player on his team at a time when yay was playing for freakin Andbox, leaf just moved over from CS on a shitshow C9 team and TenZ was chilling as a content creator LMAO
Agree, sinatraa was lacking in his last days in the sentinels main roster
HuntersFury [#83]Sinatraa wouldn't even be top 20 players currently. Sinatraa wasn't even the best player on his team at a time when yay was playing for freakin Andbox, leaf just moved over from CS on a shitshow C9 team and TenZ was chilling as a content creator LMAO
doesn't matter he's a goated support player and still has more esports experience than half the scene if he made a return he's S tier without a shadow of a doubt
tonyhart7 [#91]nah he is inconsistent as fck
as much as how hard Tenz carry SEN, it means nothing if he not pop off when the most matter
I mean consistensy is something he needs to work on, but after that, how are you going to argue that he isn't the GOAT? That's the one reason i don't put him as the GOAT, just saying he is one of the best, i'd say he and YAY are pretty even.
Ramzz [#88]I don't think there is any roster that fits Tenz playstyle
Just imagine a roster th where that happens...
TenZ gonna be a DEMON
PigExe [#77]good take imo
Rejecting every possible argument below
One trick jett: Maybe at champions, but he's been playing raze too. He says he wishes he could play chamber for SEN but Shaz doesn't want him to.(Not TenZ's Fault)
Done nothing since iceland: Let's take SEN's most recent game for example. Do you really call dropping 40 on LG nothing? Sure SEN didn't win, but it that really TenZ's problem? SEN's roster does not fit with tenz's playstyle, plus, are we talking about Greatest player or greatest team?
Too Agro(1 dimentional): if you are not in Pro play, or look at pro games very seriously, then you cannot make this argument. Having looked at hundreds of hours of vods, i can say TenZ is not a one dimentional player. He knows when to agro and when to not(Most of the time).This is talking ab TenZ as a duliest, not as other roles.
Not saying TenZ is the GOAT, but He is def one of the best, Downfrag me if you want, but the facts are here and if you don't like it, that just means you are blind and biased
this is true but what was he doing on c9 before his time in Sentinels? the people around him allow him to drop 40 whether we want to believe it or not. this team won't win with tenz on it. he's really good against the t2 t3 teams but disappears in most series against t1 teams. lol can't be the goat with that level of inconsistency against top teams.
archetype [#92]false. anybody above diamond can see that even in basic fundamentals and synergy DRX are a well oiled machine. Tarik pointed out how barely seconds after spike was planted DRX had formed a really good triple crossfire. That stuff isn't a gimmick. What is a gimmick is stuff like yay's double updraft on Icebox. That he doesn't even use in pro games. DRX's set plays and executes are copied by or inspire other top teams around the world. (new 100Thieves literally made their own version of one of DRX's Icebox plants) That's no gimmick. Ask any reliable analyst, coach, or pro player and they will tell you at the very least that DRX are a very good strategical and tactical team.
simply not true, I can tell you are wood 1 from what you are talking about, you literally prepare posplant positions in theory time, doesnt make drx good strategically, a team that relies on gimmicks + set strats is not good strategically, very good tactically but strategically they dont have the understanding of a t1 team, they will never win anything if they keep up this style, as soon as you disrupt their choreographed they are done, not good enough strategically, very bad defaulting and adapting to teams that force them to play good fundamental valorant, same thing as fnatic but with a bit worse players and even worse fundamentals than fnatic
idkbro [#103]simply not true, I can tell you are wood 1 from what you are talking about, you literally prepare posplant positions in theory time, doesnt make drx good strategically, a team that relies on gimmicks + set strats is not good strategically, very good tactically but strategically they dont have the understanding of a t1 team, they will never win anything if they keep up this style, as soon as you disrupt their choreographed they are done, not good enough strategically, very bad defaulting and adapting to teams that force them to play good fundamental valorant, same thing as fnatic but with a bit worse players and even worse fundamentals than fnatic
"false. anybody above diamond" m8 diamonds and inmortals have no clue about the game, not even radiant ranked heroes, there isnt a rank where people understand start to have deep understanding of the game, this sentence alone tells me you are not very good player, in order to truly have a deep understanding of the game you need to be competing at a somewhat decent tier, ranked players have no fucking clue about the game + " Tarik pointed out how barely seconds after spike was planted DRX had formed a really good triple crossfire" that isnt by definition a gimmick but its not something you do on the moment, they didnt quick think and adapt to that situation to form that crossfire, every single team have set positions for postplants and even more DRX who look after every detail and try to choreograph everything without any adaptation/on the fly thinking, they probably have a shit ton of gimmicks and different types of posplants positions for every possible scenario
idkbro [#105]"false. anybody above diamond" m8 diamonds and inmortals have no clue about the game, not even radiant ranked heroes, there isnt a rank where people understand start to have deep understanding of the game, this sentence alone tells me you are not very good player, in order to truly have a deep understanding of the game you need to be competing at a somewhat decent tier, ranked players have no fucking clue about the game + " Tarik pointed out how barely seconds after spike was planted DRX had formed a really good triple crossfire" that isnt by definition a gimmick but its not something you do on the moment, they didnt quick think and adapt to that situation to form that crossfire, every single team have set positions for postplants and even more DRX who look after every detail and try to choreograph everything without any adaptation/on the fly thinking, they probably have a shit ton of gimmicks and different types of posplants positions for every possible scenario
- you are biased, you are korean, ofc you are gonna say they are good, you are dog who doesnt understand anything about the game, you are at max gold and korean, you are literally blind if you think drx is good strategically
ALSO HOW CAN YOU SAY THE COULD BE A CLEANER GAMBIT? LOOOL LITERALLY OPPOSITE PLAYSTYLES, SETPLAYS/GIMMICKS MERCHANTS VS CLASSIC CIS HEAVY DEFAULT SLOW PLAYSTYLE, THEY CANT BE A CLEANER GAMBIT LMAO, THE THING ABOUT DRX IS THAT THEY DO THINGS CLEANLY BUT THIS KPOPER PLAYSTYLE DOESNT WORK, THESE DRX PLAYERS WERE TIER99 IN CSGO THEY TRIED TO PLAY LIKE THESE AGAINST EUROPEAN TEAMS AND TEAMS JUST TRIED TO MAKE IT VERY SCRAPPY AND PUG IT OUT AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? THEIR PLAYSTYLE DOESNT WORK IF YOUR OPPONENT DECIDES ITS TIME TO PLAY RANKED, ALWAYS 16-0 AGAINST KOREA IN CSGO, SO BAD, DOGS DIDNT LEARN THEIR LESSON TOO, THEY TRY SAME PLAYSTYLE IN VALORANT LOL, NO WONDER THEY ALWAYS LOSE TO NA TEAMS, EVEN NA RANKED HEROES COULD MAKE A TEAM AND BEAT DRX JUST PLAYING LIKE ITS RANKED
hate me all u want, but TenZ is still the goat imo. some ppl may called him washed, but if u look at the recent stats, u would realize that SEN is the one that's washed but not tenz, and he never said that he's the best player in the first place. so i dont understand the hate everytime he botfrag in some matches. I still think he is still the face of valorant.... or yay
idkbro [#106]
- you are biased, you are korean, ofc you are gonna say they are good, you are dog who doesnt understand anything about the game, you are at max gold and korean, you are literally blind if you think drx is good strategically
ALSO HOW CAN YOU SAY THE COULD BE A CLEANER GAMBIT? LOOOL LITERALLY OPPOSITE PLAYSTYLES, SETPLAYS/GIMMICKS MERCHANTS VS CLASSIC CIS HEAVY DEFAULT SLOW PLAYSTYLE, THEY CANT BE A CLEANER GAMBIT LMAO, THE THING ABOUT DRX IS THAT THEY DO THINGS CLEANLY BUT THIS KPOPER PLAYSTYLE DOESNT WORK, THESE DRX PLAYERS WERE TIER99 IN CSGO THEY TRIED TO PLAY LIKE THESE AGAINST EUROPEAN TEAMS AND TEAMS JUST TRIED TO MAKE IT VERY SCRAPPY AND PUG IT OUT AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? THEIR PLAYSTYLE DOESNT WORK IF YOUR OPPONENT DECIDES ITS TIME TO PLAY RANKED, ALWAYS 16-0 AGAINST KOREA IN CSGO, SO BAD, DOGS DIDNT LEARN THEIR LESSON TOO, THEY TRY SAME PLAYSTYLE IN VALORANT LOL, NO WONDER THEY ALWAYS LOSE TO NA TEAMS, EVEN NA RANKED HEROES COULD MAKE A TEAM AND BEAT DRX JUST PLAYING LIKE ITS RANKED
Unlike you I actually have competitive coaching/analytical experience in NA so I think I have more of an idea on what I'm talking about.
I'm also high immortal and have reached immortal in 2 regions.
You obviously haven't been watching DRX play the game as their defaults and fundamentals are some of the best in the world.
I respect(ed) the opinion you have and why you think that way, but when a lot of pro players and analysts (Sean Gares, Sideshow, TenZ, nAts, Tarik, Benkai, Laz, Mixwell, Suygetsu, Derke, Sliggy, Soulcas) have spoken on how good DRX are and how tactically and strategically clean they are, it's fair to say my argument has more credibility than yours.
UPDATE: Well now after seeing this reply it's really not worth my time to keep talking to you. You call me a biased Korean but you yourself are heavily, heavily biased towards EU no? Looking through your post history it's very clear. You also predicted APAC to not do well at Reykjavik lmao, guess Paper Rex really broke you after 2-0ing your #1 seed. Not to mention Gambit are indeed not as clean as DRX. If you watched DRX's games their trades are really clean along with their positioning. Stax has also gone on record to say they actually don't use set strats that much and just comm like every other team. So the structured and cohesive gameplay you see is literally just them playing normally, without relying on gimmicks or set-plays. Seems like you're projecting because you seem to call anybody who disagrees with you "max gold", I suspect if Trick wasn't a decently well-known pro player you'd have called him max gold too lmao. Seeing as how during his Champions interview Derke (your top 2 player itw) specifically called KR the 2nd best region and that they were very good despite getting grouped, you should calm down.
https://youtu.be/zcGXxE4d77g
@9:30
I guess some EU fanboys can't be reasoned with /shrug.
TrickVAL [#22]FNS as IGL, tenz as duelist, chronicle as support, n4ts as sentinel, DRX as a team
How can people upfrag this post?
DRX is the most overrated team of all time LMAO
They farmed a bad region and have never done anything in masters/champs
Yet ahead of any event people were saying they are the best
hate me all u want, but TenZ is still the goat imo. some ppl may called him washed, but if u look at the recent stats, u would realize that SEN is the one that's washed but not tenz, and he never said that he's the best player in the first place. so i dont understand the hate everytime he botfrag in some matches. I still think he is still the face of valorant.... or yay
Darkstratus [#5]people dont like it but tenz
Dude hasn't done much in tier 1 scene since a long time.... he's mechanically phenomenal but there's something that's just not working for him asf rn. So considering him as the GOAT of Val would be wrong for the other pros who have done way more for the teams they have been in. Maybe someday he will be considered the GOAT but rn he's the King of Flashy plays and has amassed a massive fan following through it but he just can't cut it in the Pro scene.
Muted_Jett [#10]Could have been. But now he is stuck in the wrong team (again)
its crazy how people were saying just aa few months ago about how sentinels were the ones stuck with the wrong player (being tenz)
VLR and the val community is crazy immature and stupid
archetype [#109]Unlike you I actually have competitive coaching/analytical experience in NA so I think I have more of an idea on what I'm talking about.
I'm also high immortal and have reached immortal in 2 regions.
You obviously haven't been watching DRX play the game as their defaults and fundamentals are some of the best in the world.
I respect(ed) the opinion you have and why you think that way, but when a lot of pro players and analysts (Sean Gares, Sideshow, TenZ, nAts, Tarik, Benkai, Laz, Mixwell, Suygetsu, Derke, Sliggy, Soulcas) have spoken on how good DRX are and how tactically and strategically clean they are, it's fair to say my argument has more credibility than yours.
UPDATE: Well now after seeing this reply it's really not worth my time to keep talking to you. You call me a biased Korean but you yourself are heavily, heavily biased towards EU no? Looking through your post history it's very clear. You also predicted APAC to not do well at Reykjavik lmao, guess Paper Rex really broke you after 2-0ing your #1 seed. Not to mention Gambit are indeed not as clean as DRX. If you watched DRX's games their trades are really clean along with their positioning. Stax has also gone on record to say they actually don't use set strats that much and just comm like every other team. So the structured and cohesive gameplay you see is literally just them playing normally, without relying on gimmicks or set-plays. Seems like you're projecting because you seem to call anybody who disagrees with you "max gold", I suspect if Trick wasn't a decently well-known pro player you'd have called him max gold too lmao. Seeing as how during his Champions interview Derke (your top 2 player itw) specifically called KR the 2nd best region and that they were very good despite getting grouped, you should calm down.
https://youtu.be/zcGXxE4d77g
@9:30I guess some EU fanboys can't be reasoned with /shrug.
you are on fucking drugs if you actually think their defaulting is good, also I have experience playing in lower tiers in EU at a much higher level than you probably, saying they are strategically/fundamentally good is shameless + awful defaulting, very important to know the difference between tactically and strategically VERY IMPORTANT THEY ARE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS NOT MANY PROS WILL KNOW THE DIFFERENCE ABOUT THEM so I agree they are very good tactically not strategically, I would even say they are only 2-3 good teams strategically in valorant, the level is so low atm in many aspects of the game
BTW idc what derke thinks 2nd best region is, I rate him as a player nothing else, I am not his fanboy that will think he cant say bullshit, Korea is not 2nd best region lmao, NA and Brazil way better teams and depth also I would expect Derke to say DRX are good, they very similar playstyles
PigExe [#77]good take imo
Rejecting every possible argument below
One trick jett: Maybe at champions, but he's been playing raze too. He says he wishes he could play chamber for SEN but Shaz doesn't want him to.(Not TenZ's Fault)
Done nothing since iceland: Let's take SEN's most recent game for example. Do you really call dropping 40 on LG nothing? Sure SEN didn't win, but it that really TenZ's problem? SEN's roster does not fit with tenz's playstyle, plus, are we talking about Greatest player or greatest team?
Too Agro(1 dimentional): if you are not in Pro play, or look at pro games very seriously, then you cannot make this argument. Having looked at hundreds of hours of vods, i can say TenZ is not a one dimentional player. He knows when to agro and when to not(Most of the time).This is talking ab TenZ as a duliest, not as other roles.
Not saying TenZ is the GOAT, but He is def one of the best, Downfrag me if you want, but the facts are here and if you don't like it, that just means you are blind and biased
completely agree, youve stated pretty much most of his pros and few of his problems but ill add to the too agro bit. He still has a tendency to over agro but i dont think that its due to him not knowing when to do it. Hes gotten a better sense for it now and compared to for example their match against C9, you can really see a difference in his play. He over agros a lot still but he does it when he sees that highly risky window that could win his team the round especially when theyre in a tough spot. Often times it will go wrong but he'll do it in a round where theyve pretty much already lost so it isnt too much of a detriment but on breeze against LG i saw a lot of opportunities for him to exploit LG but it just looked like they were really solid and they were able to catch Tenz making those plays a few times
idkbro [#115]you are on fucking drugs if you actually think their defaulting is good, also I have experience playing in lower tiers in EU at a much higher level than you probably, saying they are strategically/fundamentally good is shameless + awful defaulting, very important to know the difference between tactically and strategically VERY IMPORTANT THEY ARE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS NOT MANY PROS WILL KNOW THE DIFFERENCE ABOUT THEM so I agree they are very good tactically not strategically, I would even say they are only 2-3 good teams strategically in valorant, the level is so low atm in many aspects of the game
BTW idc what derke thinks 2nd best region is, I rate him as a player nothing else, I am not his fanboy that will think he cant say bullshit, Korea is not 2nd best region lmao, NA and Brazil way better teams and depth also I would expect Derke to say DRX are good, they very similar playstyles
"Unlike you I actually have competitive coaching/analytical experience in NA so I think I have more of an idea on what I'm talking about." LMAO, probably in tier99, saying you have experience in NA means nothing, literally a pug region where tier2-3 is nonexistent, literally no scene, here is EU even tier5 play somewhat good valorant, NA not even in tier1 so if you are one of the coaches/analyst in those tiers in NA you are doing a terrible job m8, you play like dogs
idkbro [#117]"Unlike you I actually have competitive coaching/analytical experience in NA so I think I have more of an idea on what I'm talking about." LMAO, probably in tier99, saying you have experience in NA means nothing, literally a pug region where tier2-3 is nonexistent, literally no scene, here is EU even tier5 play somewhat good valorant, NA not even in tier1 so if you are one of the coaches/analyst in those tiers in NA you are doing a terrible job m8, you play like dogs
mf actually said unlike you, like he knows me or anything LMAO, cant really argue with these fanatics blinded by their bias
idkbro [#117]"Unlike you I actually have competitive coaching/analytical experience in NA so I think I have more of an idea on what I'm talking about." LMAO, probably in tier99, saying you have experience in NA means nothing, literally a pug region where tier2-3 is nonexistent, literally no scene, here is EU even tier5 play somewhat good valorant, NA not even in tier1 so if you are one of the coaches/analyst in those tiers in NA you are doing a terrible job m8, you play like dogs
yeah lmao you're not worth my time
as for the difference and tactics and strategy, agree. i was going to say the exact same thing until i realised you have a seriously deluded EU bias.
also you are really pressed lmao, calm down. i just have a different opinion than you, it just so happens that most pros and high level coaches/analysts agree with mine, not yours.
archetype [#119]yeah lmao you're not worth my time
as for the difference and tactics and strategy, agree. i was going to say the exact same thing until i realised you have a seriously deluded EU bias.
also you are really pressed lmao, calm down. i just have a different opinion than you, it just so happens that most pros and high level coaches/analysts agree with mine, not yours.
same, maybe hire a coach or something so he can teach you ball, you are finished if these are your views on the game, some people are good strategists some are not, maybe you are good kpoper or something, GL!
Chovymaker [#3]yay
I mean at this point it comes down to recency bias because there has been no player thats been the GOAT from the very beginning till now.
Cause I can tell you that when Yay was on ABX sure he was popping off but did he win them anything? No.
Tenz has been crazy for most of his val career and he definitely was a cup of golden sand compared to the rest of the desert at a certain point before and during iceland, but now he faces problems with composition and the question of how well would the team do if he isnt the player that is on the duelist which causes a lot of problems.
We can also say cNed but again what has he realistically done for the team? I dont think Champs was because of him at all, he was playing just like how he always does but players like zeek and especially Starxo were the reason for their win. Often times starxo doesnt do anything at all and hes; I would argue, one of the teams worst players (bottom 2 next to Kiles).
Chronicle, absolutely insane, definitely best player in the world, but again he is a super new face and he hasnt achieved really much at all.
I could go on, Scream, Jamppi, Link, Sugarzero, Forsaken, Jing, Derke, Alfajer, Angel (not for fragging but hes probably one of the best IGLs in the world), nAts, Leaf. Youll see however that literally everyone mentioned always has a period in which they didnt do anything at all.
So for the amount of time Tenz was relevant and was dominating, and how he still puts up performance regardless of the teams results I would say hes the GOAT. He has had the most relevance and the highest peak out of anyone in all of valorant history. Sure he has quite an above avg performance on Raze most times and we havent yet seen his chamber so well have to reserve judgement on that but overall hes the longest standing with the highest position.
idkbro [#120]same, maybe hire a coach or something so he can teach you ball, you are finished if these are your views on the game, some people are good strategists some are not, maybe you are good kpoper or something, GL!
racism is classy kekw, good luck arguing with pro players, coaches, and analysts who share the same views as me.
61Hiko [#80]Tell me u don't watch cNed, without telling me u don't watch cNed.
I like how u downvote me and give urself an up.
lmao, I do watch Cned, never said he is bad just said he is more 1 dimensional than other players lol, its something he can improve imo, he doesnt get those worldclass performances if he is not allowed to play a certain way, he has the talent but I think he needs to evolve a bit
archetype [#122]racism is classy kekw, good luck arguing with pro players, coaches, and analysts who share the same views as me.
they dont lmao, its just classic thing with pros saying the other team is so good to have a good public image, I can asure you if they had to play against and prepare against them they would say internally how shit they are strategically and exploit the shit out of them, same thing with Korea in League, they always say other teams are so good just to fucking shit on them
ItsHunter [#121]I mean at this point it comes down to recency bias because there has been no player thats been the GOAT from the very beginning till now.
Cause I can tell you that when Yay was on ABX sure he was popping off but did he win them anything? No.
Tenz has been crazy for most of his val career and he definitely was a cup of golden sand compared to the rest of the desert at a certain point before and during iceland, but now he faces problems with composition and the question of how well would the team do if he isnt the player that is on the duelist which causes a lot of problems.
We can also say cNed but again what has he realistically done for the team? I dont think Champs was because of him at all, he was playing just like how he always does but players like zeek and especially Starxo were the reason for their win. Often times starxo doesnt do anything at all and hes; I would argue, one of the teams worst players (bottom 2 next to Kiles).
Chronicle, absolutely insane, definitely best player in the world, but again he is a super new face and he hasnt achieved really much at all.
I could go on, Scream, Jamppi, Link, Sugarzero, Forsaken, Jing, Derke, Alfajer, Angel (not for fragging but hes probably one of the best IGLs in the world), nAts, Leaf. Youll see however that literally everyone mentioned always has a period in which they didnt do anything at all.
So for the amount of time Tenz was relevant and was dominating, and how he still puts up performance regardless of the teams results I would say hes the GOAT. He has had the most relevance and the highest peak out of anyone in all of valorant history. Sure he has quite an above avg performance on Raze most times and we havent yet seen his chamber so well have to reserve judgement on that but overall hes the longest standing with the highest position.
bro turned up with an essay
idkbro [#124]they dont lmao, its just classic thing with pros saying the other team is so good to have a good public image, I can asure you if they had to play against and prepare against them they would say internally how shit they are strategically and exploit the shit out of them, same thing with Korea in League, they always say other teams are so good just to fucking shit on them
uh-huh, ok bro. L
idkbro [#124]they dont lmao, its just classic thing with pros saying the other team is so good to have a good public image, I can asure you if they had to play against and prepare against them they would say internally how shit they are strategically and exploit the shit out of them, same thing with Korea in League, they always say other teams are so good just to fucking shit on them
actually kind of a rare L from you seeing as I actually agree with most other stuff in your post history.
PigExe [#100]Just imagine a roster th where that happens...
TenZ gonna be a DEMON
ya its called paper rex, hes pretty similar to a forsaken/jingg type of player.
ItsHunter [#121]I mean at this point it comes down to recency bias because there has been no player thats been the GOAT from the very beginning till now.
Cause I can tell you that when Yay was on ABX sure he was popping off but did he win them anything? No.
Tenz has been crazy for most of his val career and he definitely was a cup of golden sand compared to the rest of the desert at a certain point before and during iceland, but now he faces problems with composition and the question of how well would the team do if he isnt the player that is on the duelist which causes a lot of problems.
We can also say cNed but again what has he realistically done for the team? I dont think Champs was because of him at all, he was playing just like how he always does but players like zeek and especially Starxo were the reason for their win. Often times starxo doesnt do anything at all and hes; I would argue, one of the teams worst players (bottom 2 next to Kiles).
Chronicle, absolutely insane, definitely best player in the world, but again he is a super new face and he hasnt achieved really much at all.
I could go on, Scream, Jamppi, Link, Sugarzero, Forsaken, Jing, Derke, Alfajer, Angel (not for fragging but hes probably one of the best IGLs in the world), nAts, Leaf. Youll see however that literally everyone mentioned always has a period in which they didnt do anything at all.
So for the amount of time Tenz was relevant and was dominating, and how he still puts up performance regardless of the teams results I would say hes the GOAT. He has had the most relevance and the highest peak out of anyone in all of valorant history. Sure he has quite an above avg performance on Raze most times and we havent yet seen his chamber so well have to reserve judgement on that but overall hes the longest standing with the highest position.
I ain't reading all that, I'm happy for you though or sorry that happened 👍
Bosayyy [#102]this is true but what was he doing on c9 before his time in Sentinels? the people around him allow him to drop 40 whether we want to believe it or not. this team won't win with tenz on it. he's really good against the t2 t3 teams but disappears in most series against t1 teams. lol can't be the goat with that level of inconsistency against top teams.
C9 was over a year ago my guy...
i mean if we are talking about back in time, when SEN won iceland, can anyone argue that TenZ wasn't the best player in the world?
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