FNC 2023 (truth)

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thats not how it works, there are only facts written up there

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true
we should've stopped playing because we weren't an incompetent org that couldn't get their best players visas done in time and had a sane team dynamic all year. 😭

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when did i say they had to stop playing?

The point is that both their trophies were NOT impressive wins because of the circumstances. The community tries to gas it up as if they were Thanos when that was just not true

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incompetent org that couldn't get their best players visas done in time

they were denied your also completely ignoring the health issues

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I'm not ignoring the health issues, it just doesn't have anything to do with the game, those are things that just happen.
I'm a Fnatic fan, I've seen Derke get COVID before an international, Leo legit dying on stage, Alfajer getting who knows what in the middle of Champs which meant having Doma sub-in with less than 4 hours of sleep and Veqaj getting depression 2 months into this season and making the team completely break down for the rest of the year.
But you don't see me downplaying another teams achievements, because they're not at fault for those things. In 2023 we played against what was in front of us and won most of the matches, up until champs were we choked. We didn't deny those visas, or injured the LOUD players, so I don't see how those external things can make an argument to demerit our wins.

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“Best team oat”

Loud making the greatest choke ever made in lock in final(health problems by aspas + rookies)
A dominant win(but without strong competition)
Got dominated 2 times by loud(proving that the win in lock in was really a loud choke”

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4/8 well done

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Japanese soldier who kept fighting 29 years after WW2 ended

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it didnt end, the masses are still getting brainwashed by the most overrated team of all time:
https://www.vlr.gg/781811/fnc-2023

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flair

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i dont have a flair

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sorry i just automatically add a loud flair to your name icl

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im waiting for aspas's next team to put a flair

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player flairs would make this website so funny

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i heard you can do that with yukky's vlr but i dont want to use an extension just for vlr.gg

there should be player flairs in this forum by default

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the day i download an extension for vlr is the day i commit to being a jobless bum for life, and im not that far gone yet

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even with all this being true they're still the greatest team of five oat

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They are not touching prime LOUD 2022 with Sacy and pANcada if they went negative against a heavily nerfed version of LOUD 22 with only aspas and Less duo hard carry

They are not World Champions as they failed to win Champions 2023, got mogged by LOUD who proved LOCKIN was a fluke.

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so? who cares if they couldn't touch LOUD 22? they beat LOUD in a grand final (yknow, when it mattered most) and have 1 more trophy (and no, it does not matter that champs > masters because the level of play is the same)

this same LOUD got grouped in copenhagen by KRU of all teams, while FNC overall had better placements; it does not matter if they got "mogged by LOUD" in one single tournament since they did it back to them when it mattered most

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I already talked about that LOCKIN Grand Final but you chose to ignore it
the 1 more trophy is also mickey as its written up there the reasons why

NRG brawk said 1 Champs > 3 Masters

Champions matters the most

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the only achievement in brawks career is that champs, of course he would say that lmao

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HYUNMIN agreed

Sacy too

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ok? thats 3 people, are we gonna act like more than 3 havent said the opposite?

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Those are just examples of players who spoke publicly about it

Player who only won Champs: 1 Champions > 3 Masters

The ONLY player who won BOTH: 1 Champions > 3 Masters

Player who NEVER won anything: 1 Champions > 3 Masters

FNS, who only won Masters: 1 Champions = 1 Masters

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ok? 2 of those players would obviously benefit from hyping up champs because they won them, and hyunmin is a drx player, the team that famously always only performs at champs, like yea of course those 3 people would say champs is the most important, no hate to them but why would i care? like, if sacy says 1 champs = 3 masters hes won the equivelant of 4 masters, of course hes going to agree lmao, and of course brawk would, lets not act stupid, if you go and ask the majority of the pro players in valorant they will not agree with that take

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The majority of Valorant players would prefer 1 Champions > 3 Masters, especially the best players. I dont know many good players who genuinely believes Masters is close to Champs

I've never seen people hype up MSI = Worlds in LoL for example

continue thread →

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FNS, Benjy and others all called them lunatics for it

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FNS, Benjy

these guys are not tuff

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do you genuinely believe if you went asked every player from like, the top 8 of this champs the question more than 10% of them are saying the champs?

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yeah, i dont know the answer of everyone but the LOUD players said BEFORE the event even began that they would prefer Champs > 5 Masters in a gym livestream answering chat

i know NRG and G2 players also have similar takes, thats already 3 of the Top 5 teams. The others i dont know if they spoke publicly about it

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thank fucking god fnatic won that tournament the faces of brazilian crowd after choking that map 5 made me so happy

the greatest bo5 vct intl grand finals comeback ever https://youtu.be/O4yG5NFNFeI?si=I82QOqlmCqBxWrKs

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congrats

no Champs tho

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seeing the faces of brazilian crowd crying is 1000x better to watch reminding me of 2014 world cup when they got demolished by germany

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Bro really got beef with brazilians 😭😭🙏🙏🙏

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i for one accept the "what if" framing, we will be claiming all of the second places as trophies 👍

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if we accept that fnc cant be the best because of a WHAT IF then the best is obviously TH because what if we won both trophies

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Finally a valid take

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Tbh I'm indifferent on this whole subject , but what I will not accept is ppl saying that them dominating emea was impressive. 2023 emea had melons KC, heretics mixwell and koi koldamenta.

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this i can accept, 2023 emea was dogshit, as impressive as edg dominating china, not more

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masters reykjavik 1 holds more weight than masters tokyo and masters reykjavik 2 holds more weight than lock in and tokyo combined

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no 2021 évent is valid you say shit

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it’s more valid than lock in and tokyo

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no it’s not

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if loud or eg won I would agree

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not even you believe this

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shh

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aye it's pretty good gotta give it to you

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2026 loud would legit 26-0 "prime loud" LMFAO

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bro just typing shi

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saadhak and pancada are bad players

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what about the other 3 AKA the majority of the team

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do you wanna talk about cauanzin...

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