Has to be PRX at Shanghai. They were favorites by a mile coming into the tourney. PRX fans should hold them accountable!
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Has to be PRX at Shanghai. They were favorites by a mile coming into the tourney. PRX fans should hold them accountable!
Zachary "101 Kills in a Grand Final" Patrone clears that hype job
Everyone saying round 4 is the one that changed it because it broke TH mental and etc but I gotta disagree. Its not that TH started losing after round 4, its that Geng started winning after round 6. Their whole attitude was different. They started moving different.
Round 7 : Gun round for both. Texture first blood 2 secs in. Flawless round with Munchkin spray transfer.
They are now looking across stage and talking that ish. Lakia of all people is hyped up and spitting that fire
https://clips.twitch.tv/DifficultTiredWrenKappaClaus-IVMSt4yi3YIAaHD2
Round 4 was important forsure but Round 6 onwards you can literally visibly see (and hear) them get their confidence back, and shut out the rest of the series. Both big rounds tho certainly.
Round 6 on Lotus
Th wins bonus round and goes up 3-0
Round 4 : Geng Thrifties them to 3-1
Round 5: Both have guns now, TH burns Fade and Raze ult and still gets smacked. 3-2
Round 6: TH is on eco and Meteor puts them in a blender. 3-3
https://clips.twitch.tv/CorrectLightClipsmomSoBayed-jIBRRljhIc9IG6kb
Everything changed in that moment
Listen to their voices - They're screaming now (in english too)
Look at their body language - They become more and more animated
That round the dogs came out 🔥🔥🔥
That round they became champs 🏆🏆🏆
TH only wins 4 more rounds in the rest of the series
When he's against texture and not chinese players, or icy (consensus worst duelist in americas):
-18 (worst in lobby) 🔥🔥🔥🔥
172 ACS 🔥🔥🔥🔥
There's two options here.
I believe it's #2
loud being former world champions being defeated by fnc in lock in grand final is a wish?
LMAO. Not only was it a different roster, they replaced their two best performers for rookies.
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022
If after Tokyo Fnatic lost Leo and Alfa and some random team like vitality or something beat them would you be saying that they beat the champs?
this kind of bullshit was not said by any kind of riot employee nor did anna donlon say it. showing off teams? tf is that?
https://valorantesports.com/news/meet-the-teams-of-vct-lock-in/en-us
From Riot's official website for valorant Esports, a long article dedicated to introducing and showing off every team and player, and their storylines.
in terms competitive integrity, riot has always cared about it alot
LOL. Single Elim will never have an ounce of competitive integrity. People (rightfully) clowned on the playoff qual format for shanghai for this reason (Navi deserved that spot and we all know it). Now imagine an entire tourney like that. KC looked promising based off lock-in, which tells you everything you need to know.
I think out of all current teams PRX probably has the highest ceiling. If champs '23 prx showed up they wash every team at this tourney but they decided to just shit the bed lol.
dont forget less and alfajer
Rank the best players on Fnatic during Derke's chamber year vs the later run.
Here's a few references that might come in handy
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1014/valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022
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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1188/champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1494/champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1657/valorant-champions-2023
I'm looking forward to reading your response!
still beat LOUD who were 2022 world champions. that itself is enough of a credibility
No, thats just you wishing it was.
riot did say it was the first event of franchise so they had to come up with a different format
Yeah, we know that, thats because it was meant to be an event to show off the teams in franchising, which is why they were all invited, which is also why they had to make it single elim otherwise it would take forever, cuz in no real prestigious event would you just invite every team with no qualification process.
and single elim is the hardest route in vct ever to reach a grand final
Maybe the hardest, but definitely the one with the least competitive integrity. It's why some teams that sucked all year looked good (geng, navi, leviathan), and vice versa (prx).
Yes and it wasn't controversial. Lets go back in the time to the famous "role issues" debacle
https://youtu.be/n6_6SK9BsR8?si=NhxKM66iD7udlk9g
Title of the vid explicitly calls him the best player.
YT comment 1: Yay is so good that the only thing stopping him from going pro is finding an org that can afford him
YT comment 2: Imagine being the goat and losing your job because the org you trusted is broke
YT comment 3: DSG just signed Yay.. dropping all his team, Yay is expected to 1v5 M80, 13-0, all 69 maps
YT comment 4 : Imagine being the goat and losing your job because the org you trusted is broke
And there are countless more examples like this - reddit threads, vlr comments, yt comments, tweets, etc.
This was the perception of yay at that time
You can argue him in the top 5. Rn mine is
No, actually they (barely) beat a team that had the core of the 2022 world champions, but with a new roster, in a preseason event which was, true enough an official vct event, but conspicuously wasn't named "Masters" or "Champions" like every event before it, after it, and in the announced future (I wonder why that is? What makes it different from all the rest?).
https://www.vlr.gg/357911/world-s-best-senti-at-the-moment
A thread from just a few days ago where the most upvoted comment is that Nats is the best senti in the world, over Meteor, Benjyfishy, Yetujey, Alfajer, Leaf, all of them.
I agree he's one of but having him as THE best in the world right now is delusion and drugs, it's clearly meteor. There is no rational way you can have him as no1 until he can start winning games and putting up numbers internationally (ie: get off lulquid). Until then he can't even be near top 3 senti lists unless he is literally putting up wilt chamberlain stats, let alone top 10 player lists.
I 100% agree and i'm glad you finally understand. Now you can see why he's so high on the list. For example, a thread from just three days ago where the most upvoted comment says that he's the best senti in the world RIGHT NOW.
Let me ask you a question. Where in your top 10 list of players in the world right now is Keznit? He's clearly the best player on kru and bails them out in situations and even maps. His stats were basically only second to aspas this year. Is he in your top 10 players right now? or do you acknowledge that you don't get into that status if your team is missing lans and you're not winning the matches in the lans that you do get to, even if we all know you're a really good player. Now unless you tell me which rank keznit is in your top 10 list, you have to tell me why Nats doesnt have these rules apply to him.
Why would it be a different timezone are you dumb lmao do you know where seoul is
yay was still considered the best player in the world at that time, above both of them. This is revisionist history.
It was a pre-season event to show off the teams in franchising. That's why there was no qualifiers (32 teams) and why it was single-elim. The trophy breaking is the cherry on top.
He played with Jammpi who is a good player. He played with Sayf who is a really good player. Soulcas was below average but not as bad as people gave him shit for. Redgar i'll give you. Mf's act like he played with spike rush players. That team should be beating team secret every time. Also YOU clearly didn't watch Liquid play. They set him up for lurks all the time. Go watch any haven match there was plenty of rounds they would insert him into A short or C long then go make noise elsewhere and he would lurk with it. It just wouldn't work half the time because what was a team-busting strat in 2021 isn't anymore as the level of play develops. For example, go watch EG vs Liquid haven round 10. He sits outside C long while his team hits B, they trade unfavorably and end up 1 man down. Meanwhile Nats lurks up C long and if this was 2021 he probably gets 1-2 people off-guard in C link and turns the tide of the round. But EG was proactive in the midround and pushed A and his lurk ends up with no value. They end up winning the round due to gunfights not due to the value of the lurk. The very next round (11). Nats once again gets a free lurk due to his team pushing A, this time through garage all the way through CT spawn, but EG once again converts off the numbers and Com is prepared and punishes the lurk. It should have been a flawless but boostio misses an ez kill on jammpi while the round is basically over.
This comment is exactly why Flor is #1 on the list btw
We can't be putting players who have done close to nothing internationally for years in top ten lists. Its not because I think he's bad. I don't see Sayf or Cloud in top ten lists and don't bat an eye even though I think very highly of them. But for some reason people treat Nats as an exception to this.
Edit: I misunderstood the comment
Clutch rate is kinda a shit metric. This maybe controversial but i genuinely think the eye test is better. That stat doesnt take into account roles and situations. Alot of people who are gonna end up in 1v2's and 3's are gonna have a really low rate compared to people who end up in 1v1's. For example, im pretty sure Boaster had the highest clutch rate in the world for some time while EVERYONE knows Leo is the clutch god of that team. The reason is probably that he ends up in alot of 1v1's late in rounds where a guy is already dinked 140 by leo or chronicle or something and it's a relatively easier cleanup.
Compare how many times you hear aspas is the goat to how many times you hear it about Less. it might be close to 50-1 ratio even though they both have at least comparably strong cases
We are now close to 2 years into Franchising. Since then, he has a record of 1-5 (beat EDG) at international events, with his best rating being 1.12 (Sao Paolo)
For comparison Xeppa has exactly as many wins 1-1 (beat PRX) with a rating of 1.12 (Sao Paolo).
Now obviously I don't think xeppa is as good at nats. But alot of people have Nats as a top 10-15 player in the world which is ridiculous. He has been overrated for long time now, at a certain point you have to start winning for us to put you in that calibre.
There is a sizable portion of the Valorant Community which thinks Flor/SR deserve franchise offers
i watched this guy bully top t2 and franchised pros in a ten man months ago and followed him ever since
After Lock in there were threads saying Derke is the goat of val full stop
Overrated
Underrated
Edit: I should mention the Criteria is their Ability vs the Popular Perception
Also all the people saying leo are braindead he's not even top 3 this year. Sacy Lakia and Riens have all clearly had a better year. Trent will have to if they win tonight
Sentinel - Senti list is good (maybe add leaf)
Duelist - aspas should replace miniboo (has won a match internationally + DOMINATED Regionally - kill record on SEN fresh off winning madrid)
Initiator - sacy obv belongs on the init list, 1 and 2 is sacy/lakia in either order, riens is 3rd
flex - looks good to me
controller - could maybe add Tenz, depends on whether you consider tenz a controller (he kinda only plays omen) Karon is clearly 1.
Also it would be better to wait until shanghai is done to do something like this.
If this is for premier just play the meta comp bro, its meta for a reason
Shahzam with the white hoodie at walkout. Say whatever you wanna say about him, but it is simply a fact this is #1.
except when they had to play them to decide who wins the tournament
This is true but the valorant community being soft is also true