Meta & Termi

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dekoy
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What is up with people shitting on the triple duelist comp? Calling Termi lazy?

idk how good of a coach he is, but from a meta-defining perspective, he

  1. Started the breach Haven meta in vision striker days
  2. Invented the triple initiator comp on Ascent for DRX
  3. First teams to demonstrate harbor on Icebox in an international stage
  4. Dominated Fracture with RB neon with stun lineups for B-tower and more.
  5. Pioneered the double duelist meta with double dive (yoru + waylay)
  6. Now created a new comp that works in 3+ maps that allows players to keep their comfort picks

you can shit on him as a coach and strats, but in terms of meta innovation, bro is unmatched

#2
Ranger45
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w post

#3
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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They're also nearly undefeated on Abyss with like three different comps

Had every team at champs '25 banning it or getting rolled

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dekoy
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they are 15/2 on Abyss since the team was made, i cannot remember the last time almost every single team banned a specific map against a team just because they are so dominant on it

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Wunkey
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100% win rate on the international stage as well.

#4
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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Started the breach Haven meta in vision striker days

The shittiest haven meta period. We got the Neon Phoenix now and its so much cooler

#7
camefentran
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the best

#10
Nigellomeister
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L vyse fan

#5
hotshot_
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me and termi needs to be stopped!

#8
Galactc
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Damn he should be an analyst

#11
Wunkey
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I mean, in my opinion he's already the best meta-defining coach of all time. Sure you might not like him for other reasons but I don't think there's any denying this if triple duelist ends up sticking.

Off the top of my head he's also known for early-usage of Viper and Astra plus his counter-meta of going back to Jett during the Chamber era.

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xDazeline
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and yet people were saying L termi W frost back then

#13
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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Idt that had much to do with their coaching ability considering the team matchup was kinda one-sided

#14
xDazeline
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yea ik, i'm just a frost hater as of today bcs he put primmie on deadlock for 2 maps >:(

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jixk
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"Started the breach Haven meta in vision striker days" you shouldn't bring this up its literally a running joke how bad breach is on haven
"Invented the triple initiator comp on Ascent for DRX" bad comp tbh
"First teams to demonstrate harbor on Icebox in an international stage" mid lowk
yoru waylay is sick AC level task but still credit where its due
triple duelist is sick too ngl phoenix waylay neon if it doesnt get insta shit on by better teams and was solely used against dfm and prolly ts to throw off anti teams

#16
fveaa
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your first two are just obviously bad in 2026 but for their times they were all extremely disruptive and teams had to adapt

also harbour has never been mid on icebox

#17
dekoy
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yup, back then breach was THE agent on Haven, with 80%+ pickrate

#18
jixk
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what about his non mirror win rate i swear even in like 22/23 it was really bad

#19
shadowvlr
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no it was always good. and most of the top teams in 22/23 on haven played breach

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jixk
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Breach has had a bad non mirror win rate since forever 22/23 so the haven comp isn't allat even then

no i said it was a mid argument since he didn't create the comp probably for harbor icebox even then sage clears imo i rate wall higher then cove on that map even with new cove

and im pretty sure it was used else where in Tier 1/probably got used by another team around the same time not enough for drx to popularize it i could be wrong about this part

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