Meta & Termi

What is up with people shitting on the triple duelist comp? Calling Termi lazy?

idk how good of a coach he is, but from a meta-defining perspective, he

1. Started the breach Haven meta in vision striker days
2. Invented the triple initiator comp on Ascent for DRX
3. First teams to demonstrate harbor on Icebox in an international stage
4. Dominated Fracture with RB neon with stun lineups for B-tower and more.
5. Pioneered the double duelist meta with double dive (yoru + waylay)
6. Now created a new comp that works in 3+ maps that allows players to keep their comfort picks

you can shit on him as a coach and strats, but in terms of meta innovation, bro is unmatched

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They're also nearly undefeated on Abyss with like three different comps

Had every team at champs '25 banning it or getting rolled

Started the breach Haven meta in vision striker days

The shittiest haven meta period. We got the Neon Phoenix now and its so much cooler

me and termi needs to be stopped!

GarbanzoEnjoyer [#3]

They're also nearly undefeated on Abyss with like three different comps

Had every team at champs '25 banning it or getting rolled

they are 15/2 on Abyss since the team was made, i cannot remember the last time almost every single team banned a specific map against a team just because they are so dominant on it

Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one [#4]

Started the breach Haven meta in vision striker days

The shittiest haven meta period. We got the Neon Phoenix now and its so much cooler

the best

Damn he should be an analyst

dekoy [#6]

they are 15/2 on Abyss since the team was made, i cannot remember the last time almost every single team banned a specific map against a team just because they are so dominant on it

100% win rate on the international stage as well.

Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one [#4]

Started the breach Haven meta in vision striker days

The shittiest haven meta period. We got the Neon Phoenix now and its so much cooler

L vyse fan

I mean, in my opinion he's already the best meta-defining coach of all time. Sure you might not like him for other reasons but I don't think there's any denying this if triple duelist ends up sticking.

Off the top of my head he's also known for early-usage of Viper and Astra plus his counter-meta of going back to Jett during the Chamber era.

and yet people were saying L termi W frost back then

xDazeline [#12]

and yet people were saying L termi W frost back then

Idt that had much to do with their coaching ability considering the team matchup was kinda one-sided

GarbanzoEnjoyer [#13]

Idt that had much to do with their coaching ability considering the team matchup was kinda one-sided

yea ik, i'm just a frost hater as of today bcs he put primmie on deadlock for 2 maps >:(

"Started the breach Haven meta in vision striker days" you shouldn't bring this up its literally a running joke how bad breach is on haven
"Invented the triple initiator comp on Ascent for DRX" bad comp tbh
"First teams to demonstrate harbor on Icebox in an international stage" mid lowk
yoru waylay is sick AC level task but still credit where its due
triple duelist is sick too ngl phoenix waylay neon if it doesnt get insta shit on by better teams and was solely used against dfm and prolly ts to throw off anti teams

jixk [#15]

"Started the breach Haven meta in vision striker days" you shouldn't bring this up its literally a running joke how bad breach is on haven
"Invented the triple initiator comp on Ascent for DRX" bad comp tbh
"First teams to demonstrate harbor on Icebox in an international stage" mid lowk
yoru waylay is sick AC level task but still credit where its due
triple duelist is sick too ngl phoenix waylay neon if it doesnt get insta shit on by better teams and was solely used against dfm and prolly ts to throw off anti teams

your first two are just obviously bad in 2026 but for their times they were all extremely disruptive and teams had to adapt

also harbour has never been mid on icebox

fveaa [#16]

your first two are just obviously bad in 2026 but for their times they were all extremely disruptive and teams had to adapt

also harbour has never been mid on icebox

yup, back then breach was THE agent on Haven, with 80%+ pickrate