f0rsaken is not better than Chronicle

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Steelz

even if he win tomorrow
chronicle has 3 internationals with better individual performances

Chronicle Berlin 1.26r 1.35kd
Chronicle Tokyo 1.19r 1.33kd
Chronicle Champions 2021 1.19r 1.29kd (2nd)
Chronicle Toronto 1.13r 1.18kd (2nd)
f0rsaken Toronto 1.12r 1.06kd
Chronicle São Paulo 1.10r 1.10kd
Chronicle Champions 2025 1.07r 1.07kd (2nd)
f0rsaken Champions 2023 1.01r 1.00kd (2nd)
f0rsaken Santiago 0.99r 1.04kd (unknown)
f0rsaken Copenhagen 0.98r 1.06kd(2nd)

2021 chronicle >>> f0rsaken
2022 chronicle << f0rsaken russian war issues
2023 chronicle >>> f0rsaken
2024 chronicle > f0rsaken
2025 debatable but even in the tournament that f0rsaken got the mvp, chronicle has a better rating and kd and diffed him even with a complete on fnatic roster in the most important tournament on the year https://www.vlr.gg/542268/fnatic-vs-paper-rex-valorant-champions-2025-ubsf/?game=233471&tab=overview
2026 sadly chronicle has a complete on his team

head to head
3-1 Chroncile (with 3 clears better performances and 1 win with a last minute complete and the lost with prx on a lucky run to dont get geng on playoffs like fnatic to have 2 bans on gf)

people that say that he is carried is just braindead cause u dont need to be the best on your team to be better than your rival

whats the argument for saying that f0rsaken is better than Chronicle? your preference? so u r idiot

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ur sped

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no you are sped and recency biased.

Chronicle:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)
2026: Sentinel + Harbor

Trophies: 3, Finals: 7, Top 4s: 8, Top 6s: 9, Top 8s: 10
International Appearances: 10/17

Best performances (general objective opinion of everyone):
Berlin 2021: 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts) (Winning team)
Champs 2021: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)
Tokyo 2023: 3rd MVP (Winning team)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on runner-ups (3rd MVP of the tournament overall)
Riyadh 2025: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)

International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8), 1.30 (#1), 1.07 (#15)
6 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.

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F0rsaken:
2021: Duelist
2022: Duelist + Chamber
2023: Duelist + Initiator (Flash/Support) + Controller + Sentinel + IGL
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + Yoru + Harbor + Cypher + IGL
2025: Controller + Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + IGL
2026: Controller + Yoru + Veto + Fade

Trophies: 1, Finals: 4, Top 4s: 9, Top 6s: 10, Top 8s: 10
International Appearances: 14/17

Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)

International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10), 1.16 (#15), 1.03 (#25), 0.99 (currently #25)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.

Conclusion: Chronicle is the best in his role. 0 debate needed.

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allat

Big Tiger is HERE 🐯🐯🐯🐯

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because the paper rex playstyle is great for vlr rating isn’t it

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this

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@sentinelmain377 are you going to reply to this or not? or are you just gonna keep spamming useless stats

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no because his argument is right if he capitalises and punctuates his sentences and puts a phrase in bold

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L copy paste L sentinel main L Vitality L epstein island attendee L post #bigtiger

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sentinelmain377

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wtf gng

all these replies to me have been useless with 0 counter-arguments.

It seems like you all agree Chronicle is better, but do not like the fact that he is better. That makes sense.

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sir this is a wendy's

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allat + holy hell let it go son

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cant wait to watch chronicle play tomorrow hes been KILLING it this tournament!

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always stats. If chronicle was in a team like prx, he wouldn't frag either. You realise having the best bait, micro managing igl in boaster allows his teammates to frag? I mean look at vegaj, crashies, kaajak, anyone they brought in.

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stats + titles + performance, chronicle better on all of them
also u acting like chronicle didnt win on gambit
also had a champs gf

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Damn gambit? How long ago was that

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bro really bringing up plumbers era. zombs was fragging in that era

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your guy was also there
if it was so easy to win in that era
your guy should have been able win in that era

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mondely

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you mean when the format was america and emea centric? when f0rsaken was 17?

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tf do you mean format was america and emea centric
bro
chron was also 18 when he won

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how was it not america and emea centric in 2021???

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you mean slots ?

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slots, scrim partners. pacific was so weak at the time. The importance of playing good teams didn't exist for prx since they were playing against worse opposition. prx was also a small org at the time and chronicle is a year and a half older than a young f0rsaken.

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you guys are still playing against the same opposition now
just admit chron has been consistent longer than froskaen and has been on the flex role longer than forsaken has

continue thread →

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PRX has a champs grandfinal too are we counting those now? I have no problem with people quoting stats. It's a personal opinion who you think is better or not but stop moving the goalposts till your stats match your agenda.

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yes, i mentioned that, just look at the post

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Chronicle lost to Boaster. He ain't SQUATTTTTTTT

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ok sentimain alt

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can't wait to watch chron plays, when is it?

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can’t even farm memea 😭😭😭😭

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playing with a complete
also here is f0rsaken playing with a complete https://www.vlr.gg/220445/paper-rex-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-ubsf

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inuis

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what are you trying to say

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Chronicle:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)
2026: Sentinel + Harbor

Trophies: 3, Finals: 7, Top 4s: 8, Top 6s: 9, Top 8s: 10
International Appearances: 10/17

Best performances (general objective opinion of everyone):
Berlin 2021: 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts) (Winning team)
Champs 2021: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)
Tokyo 2023: 3rd MVP (Winning team)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on runner-ups (3rd MVP of the tournament overall)
Riyadh 2025: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)

International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8), 1.30 (#1), 1.07 (#15)
6 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.

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F0rsaken:
2021: Duelist
2022: Duelist + Chamber
2023: Duelist + Initiator (Flash/Support) + Controller + Sentinel + IGL
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + Yoru + Harbor + Cypher + IGL
2025: Controller + Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + IGL
2026: Controller + Yoru + Veto + Fade

Trophies: 1, Finals: 4, Top 4s: 9, Top 6s: 10, Top 8s: 10
International Appearances: 14/17

Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)

International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10), 1.16 (#15), 1.03 (#25), 0.99 (currently #25)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.

Conclusion: Chronicle is the best in his role. 0 debate needed.

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International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10), 1.16 (#15), 1.03 (#25), 0.95 (currently #29)
thats crazy for goat status

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sentinelmain377

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f0rsaken fans are so delusional. it is insane

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f0rsaken fans cause he got a mvp with a better rating than his team
f0rsaken fans = clap clap clap
f0rsaken being worst on rating than chronicle on 80% of all comparisons
f0rsaken fans = always stats

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hello sentinelmain!

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Wolfed

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holy shit what a prediction

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sentinelmain377

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I dont use alts. This is just a W brazilian who is writing kind of similar to me in a way im ngl wtf

wait wtf this guy can actually act like my alt. im dead serious rn - I DO NOT USE ALTS

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shameless larping as br now

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Clearly his alt no?

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sentinelmain377

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wait wtfff

how is this guy talking so similarly to me yoooooo. i deadass dont have any alt other than sentinelmain378

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f0rsaken is better even if he doesn't win tomorrow

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literally fns alt

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the difference is f0rsaken IGLs too and has some of the craziest game IQ ever

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Steelz

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game iq btw https://prnt.sc/PpCEz4KuAWVn https://prnt.sc/bjlIiYkdpW22

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oooohh.. I wonder what else happened in those games hmmm

Oh well, surely you wouldn't selectively pick lowlights..

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Yet another person with forsaken living rent free on they're mind smh.

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this chronicle guy seems good give me his best highlight

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flair (GMB Chronicle ace vs KRU)

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foythvlr

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THAT is his best highlight? (serious question)

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sentinelmain377

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there are many chron highlights to choose from (with significance):

multiple 3ks and 4ks to win vs ENVY in the grand finals 3-0
FastAce vs KRU Champs 2021
1v2 to eliminate G2 Champs 2024
1v3 to defeat MIBR Champs 2025
....

what is aspiss's best highlight (with significance)

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there are many chron highlights to choose from

like which one

what is aspiss's best highlight (with significance)

i really like that one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFEx5r1xxc4

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sentinelmain377

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chron ace and his 3ks4ks vs ENVY clear that one specifically

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LOL

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sentinelmain377

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFB5TQWkdGQ

Chron carried the finals for his first trophy gng

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foythvlr

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Ugly ass highlight lmfao

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lifting champs trophy

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sentinelmain377

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you PRX fans cant come with any stat-based argument

it is funny how obviously biased and delusional you guys are

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I'm not the one saying Sayonara will somehow make VIT look like Prime Loud

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sentinelmain377

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Im not serious when I say that gng (it is just EMEA cope) (that is also talk about the future, not the past and present).

Chron vs F0rsaken is not for debate. Chron clears

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pulling highlights from the mesozoic era againts kru of all teams 😭

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top 4 game at Champs 2021 what r u on about

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https://prnt.sc/bAHqXOs1ssks
that round has to be a great pick up

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thats a way more respectable one

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Baiters always end up with high ratings!

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say that chronicle is a baiter is crazy

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It’s the MEMEA playstyle! cmon! We all know them guys are nerds, passive, and baiters!

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for apac viewers, playing normally is considered baiting, people only dont bait if they play like idiots

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???????? Do you guys even know what baiting is

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sentinelmain377

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how is Chron a baiter?

he was the spike planter for FNATIC lmao (the player who should have the worst / second worst stats)

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will chronicle play at masters again?

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sentinelmain377

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Masters London: exists
full Team Vitality (with Sayonara) for Stage 1: exists

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We had stat watching instead of game watching...

But yeah chronicle still had better result.. but if you just put it in stats it will be like coughing baby vs nuclear bomb...

But if you watch the game
In berlin he was carried by nats
In lock in he was carried by leo
In tokyo still leo arguably alfa
In toronto got carried by alfa
Do we want to talk about his run in champs paris?

Say all the stat you want.. i really hate people who just look at stats..

Btw i still think chronicle is on top, but not that far..

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another dumb ass take, u dont need to be the best player on your team to be better than your rival
from what u r saying, f0rsaken being carried by invy, davai something, and jingg in masters santiago, no?

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You miss my point but ok

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your point is irrelevant for a player x player comparison

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In berlin he was carried by nats
In lock in he was carried by leo
In tokyo still leo arguably alfa
In toronto got carried by alfa

U didnt fucking watch Berlin if ur gonna type this.
In lock in, he was the spike planter.
In tokyo, he was right behind Leo and Alfa.
In toronto and ewc, he was neck and neck with Alfa/Kaajak (#2 Toronto, #1 EWC - carrying very hard alongside Kaajak/Alfa)

You didnt watch these events if you are gonna say shit like that lmao. Holy f0rsaken fans pull out the most fraudulent arguments out of their asses.

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Lmfao keep the denial up brother...

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gng u didnt watch the events

u are just spreading misinfo with 0 stats to back your claims up.

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if anyone was given a choice to pick which are the better player when fnatic was in their prime, anyone with a working brain would always pick alfa and/or leo over the supposed 'goat' lmao

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Chron was the best player on FNC 2024-2025:

Stats comparison between Chron & Alfa since the start of 2024:

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1925/champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff (Chronicle #8 > Alfajer #14)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1998/champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1 (Alfajer #13 > Chronicle #14)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1999/champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai (Alfajer > Chronicle)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2094/champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-2 (Chronicle #1 > Alfajer #7)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2097/valorant-champions-2024 (Chronicle #4 > Alfajer #16)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2276/vct-2025-emea-kickoff (Alfajer #16 > Chronicle #18)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/2380/vct-2025-emea-stage-1 (Chronicle #17 > Alfajer #30)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2282/valorant-masters-toronto-2025 (Alfajer #4 > Chronicle #8)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2449/esports-world-cup-2025?exclude=31335.31336.31337.31338.31339.31340.31341.31342.31343.31344.31345.31346.31347.31348.31349.31350.31351.31352.31353.31354.31355.31356.31398.31399.31400.31401&min_rounds=0&agent=all (Chronicle #1 > Alfajer #29)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2498/vct-2025-emea-stage-2 (Alfajer #14 > Chronicle #23)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2283/valorant-champions-2025 (Chronicle #15 > Alfajer #16)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2684/vct-2026-emea-kickoff (Alfajer #4 > Chronicle #7)

Overall: Alfajer 6 : Chronicle 6
Internationals: Alfajer 2 : Chronicle 3

for Kaajak in 2025: Chron was better than Kaajak at Toronto and EWC, but worse at Champs (Chron still did good, Kaajak was just insane).

all you delusional mfs just see highlights and then choose ur fav player without looking at any stats to back up what you think. Chronicle is the goat of this game.

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"...with a working brain..."

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clearly ur brain isnt working

if I had to take a player from FNC, I would take Leo first (but he hasnt played since 2024), then Chronicle, then Boaster, than Alfa/Derke.

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bro was losing to chronicle in 5 march 2023 so we will defend him no matter what W

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sky is blue ahh

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gold players will disagree with this fact

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can you include regional stats as well to be more objective?

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regionals are mickey lmao (not a true comparison).

PRX and GMB/FNC both farm PAC and EMEA

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but in inter many happens fluke like wolve or edg

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PRX and GMB/FNC have attended so many events that other team flukes dont matter

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chronicle 3 emea 1 mvp
f0rsaken 3 apac
i think its something like that

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ok chon is better.
now what ?