Where did this whole “Americas is cooked” narrative come from? Just that fact that SEN and G2 have been their best teams…? Even though this is like the first year that hasn’t been the case for the other 3 regions?
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No like i believe our 3rd/4th teams are shit compared to the other regions 3rd/4th teams maybe eve china
Why? Lol I haven’t watched too much recently but I watched yesterday and today. Purely from eyeballing it and what I saw. All of these regions look similar in terms of skill level and what they’re going comparatively. Maybe less so on China not convinced by any team there other than BLG.
Americas teams have disappointed so many times that people don't trust them anymore, no one has faith in C9 or NRG for example.
Also most of the teams are bad or inconsistent and as a result good teams like G2 and SEN don't improve and even stagnate whereas in the other regions teams like FNC and PRX are constantly pushed to improve and that is why neither G2 nor SEN have been able to beat them all year long.
T1 prior to this year has disappointed countless times. Same for PRX, Liquid, any team from China. There seems to be a clear target towards Americas. Americas has teams that are bad or inconsistent the same way again all 3 other regions do. You say all year long. But at least in VCT those teams have only played eachother once…?
Sure… Geng? BBL? TH? Vitality? Trace? FPX? DRX? RRQ? KC? FUT? TLN? What’s your next excuse?
And when those teams disappointed they didn't stay at the top of their region.
When PRX looked shaky they only managed a top 3 finish by going to a run at the end of the stage after barely making playoffs and lost against good teams like GEN G.
Now that FNC looked shaky in stage 2 they finished 5th-6th losing to rising teams like GX and BBL who are chasing champs or to a very good team like TL.
Compare that to G2 or SEN not looking good and playing bad and still beating all the other teams in Americas very convincingly and tell me that it is just Americas being targeted.
If the top teams from Americas can't beat the top EMEA teams (0-4 against PRX and FNC these year btw) and no other Americas teams are even challenging for that top spot how can you not worry about the region ?
I think its because Americas always seem so dominant and consistent ever since Champs 2023 in terms of playstyle that people just lose faith in them now despite looking very dominant but somehow missing the mark. Like other regions like APAC and China is literally studying NA teams last year because they think Americas has a very consistent playstyle and good fundamentals and majority of people thought G2 would win Bangkok but fail to do so. Considering Americas is a 2 team region and the 2 top team failed to defeat APAC and EU teams just makes the teams that are below them seem weak. Its the same way how most people do not trust in PRX to win a trophy no matter how dominant they look
Man no offense but Furia is never beating DFM or ZETA and I can see them losing to teams like apeks. The bottom teams in americas have fallen off hard and they are barely putting up a fight anymore.
NRG is not as shit like the chinese 3rd team and C9 also showed good perfomance.
EDG is shit rn. They have no structure , their meta read is horrible and they have had a horrible stage 2 and they got destroyed by bili bili in lowers so yeah its not as tough as you think it is. Its not 2024
Horrible meta read? They play almost the same comps as PRX, and their Ascent comp was one of the most common meta comps. You have no clue what you’re talking about, and it’s obvious you don’t watch CN…
playing same comps as PRX doesnt means shit when you dont have the players to do that. What comp of their was the meta on ascent care to enlighten me. I think you are just a nostalgia merchant thinking about the good old days about EDG scared to accept the shit show they are rn
Their Ascent comp was meta, their corrode comp clearly works, they had the exact same comp today on lotus as PRX runs, their Haven comp is similar too, and I believe their bind comp is the same as PRX.
Also, arguing that they don’t have to players to run it is just not true. All that needs to happen is for KK to become more comfortable on Yoru. All 4 other players are in their natural roles.
Obviously they are not as good as they were in champs 2024. They’re not shit either, BLG are just a really good team. You clearly don’t watch anyways
Sure man you are not gonna agree anyways with that flair. its like blind sheep following. Lets agree to disagree and let it end there
You have no counter argument and don’t watch cn so we should “agree to disagree”. If you’re gonna give your option on teams at least watch them play, otherwise it’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about
edg were hard trolling for a while but at least in the few games they have looked a little better and did fix most role issues
Its because there is a 99% chance whatever teams are 3rd/4th for Americas are getting grouped regardless. (Except LEV maybe)
IMO Americas 3rd and 4th seeds are worse than all 4 APAC teams, at least top 2 CN teams, and maybe all 4 EMEA teams
NRG literally defeated RRQ ? what are we on about. if you are gonna argue RRQ got better then so did NRG.
And that’s fine. But I’m asking for your basis. What do you believe XLG TLN or Liquid do better than a team like C9 NRG or LEV?
TLN also have two rookies
XLG are also chokers
a lot of this can be applied to other teams
You just said a bunch of things that can be applied to other teams… bringing up “chokers” when heretics are in the conversation…
lmao are we deaduzz these are no real qualities ur js a hater whos bandwangoming with all the EMEA baiters and prolaganday
NRG has a high chance of getting out of groups. I mean they did so in EWC which was a 16 team tournament even if it mattered not as much
No people just don’t like NA. DFM one of the worse teams to touch VCT (speaking as a huge Meiy fan). Can perform well in apac and that means the region as a whole is doing better and it’s a positive. A team like C9 does well and the region is cooked just because it’s C9. if sen and g2 dominate it’s a two team region if teams contest or beat those teams they’re then a no team region so the region is cooked if those two are challenged and also cooked if they’re not. VLR is just odd like that.
G2 and SEN nearly lost their matches yesterday so the gap isn’t as big as we think
Gap shrinking. C9, NRG, 100T and Lev (but only if the coin lands heads) can challenge them.
thats not true NA calling G2 the best team in the world when they never win anything, (calling themselves golden era) is crazy work
In what kickoff and stage 1? Why wouldn’t you they looked better than majority of teams… and T1 fell off a cliff while they didn’t? T1’s win itself should tell you winning doesn’t necessarily mean you’re the best team generally speaking. Teams just peak at different times.
look better in terms of what ? u dont even watch other region, how yall calling them the the best team in the world ? just bcuz the won NA
is like these NBA player saying he is World champions when they won NBA, (NA is not NBA of valorant) chill out
I watch every region and it’s not simply “winning” lol which it’s your problem you’re far too result oriented. G2 showed a level of coordination, team play, and understanding for the game and maps as well as the meta that very few if any other teams showed. Their reads on other teams and how they liked to approach maps and play as well. Of course discipline something they were known for how cohesive they were almost never giving up a first kill or not trading eachother etc. That nba example would actually make sense if they didn’t shit on other countries anyways…but again my point is not result oriented at all.
Coordination and discipline are cool until you actually face the top dogs. Looking clean farming NA teams doesn’t magically make you the best in the world. You can praise G2 for fundamentals all day, but until they prove it on the international stage, it’s just NA hyping NA. Looking good in your backyard doesnt means u are the the best in the world And calling that the golden era ? That’s the most delulu tagline I’ve seen. It’s not like they’re winning 3 trophies in a row or something even when Fnatic had their dominating era, it was never this delulu shit making me cringe
Your statement doesn’t even match. yall calling G2 the best team while also saying you’re not result oriented. Lol what? That’s not how calling a team the best team in the world works, If results don’t matter then anyone can be the best
Yes… exactly… anyone can be the best wdym “prove it on the international stage” lmao they made Bangkok grandfinals nearly going FLAWLESS not dropping a single map apart from EDG hard anti strating them and lost to a team having a miracle run. When they were objectively the best team at that tournament generally speaking. If you think T1 were the better team you’re an idiot who has no understanding of the game idk what to tell you. Went to Toronto and only lost to the 2 grand finalists in two incredibly close games. You cannot tell me you’re not result pilled when your only argument against G2 IS RESULTS. Brother it’s a song for content no one is taking the “golden era” hyperliterally BUT you. Your bias against NA is so strong you genuinely don’t see how stupid you sound it’s actually impressive.
I love how delulu u are, keep coping 😂 and I love how you downvoting me every time u replaying like that’s gonna do something xD. Peak cringe
results do matter at the end of the day, but people could play the best valorant of their life and just get unlucky, if you js look at the results of it, it won't tell the full story, you have to actually watch the game
its simple
every region has three or four teams that push each other to be the best
even lower tier teams can take maps off fnc and tl
meanwhile
americas has furia 2g loud 2025
which are freechamps points
C9 EG and 100T all took maps off G2 stage 2 and nearly beat them? This also assumes all team have the same range of a floor and ceiling which simply isn’t true. Clear example is G2 they are incredibly hard to dominate no matter how good you are… every map they play will be competitive whether they win or lose and they will NEVER lose to a team that’s significantly worse than them. Only 3 times have they gotten truly dominated on a map this year. EDG on fracture in Bangkok, Cloud 9 on haven in stage one, and Sen on split in kickoff. PRX just got 2-0 one map a complete domination by the worse team in their region… their floor is drastically lower than G2 or even FNC. Shouldn’t even need to mention TH but most note worthy losing 13-5 to Apeks… it will simply be harder to upset teams like G2
i think theres a gaping hole of skill between SEN+G2 vs everything else up to this point
It’s because outside of Sen and G2, the other teams just look so bad sometimes. Clueless maps, horrible misplays, lack of awareness, and overall questionable understanding of the game.
I do not believe that vlr.gg users and redditors have the game knowledge to accurately assess anyone's understanding of the game, let alone franchise teams
Fair enough, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand when teams misplay basic situations, or when teams look completely lost on a map. It’s usually pretty obvious
This has to be ragebait, according to you every valorant watcher is a brainless idiot who knows nothing and can’t see any mistakes
Unironically yes.
Average VLR user is the person in ranked picking Sage on Lotus
NA is finished if only two teams are dominating the region and rest is absolute dogwater
Sen and G2 nearly lost their matches yesterday? what part of SEN/C9 was domination
T-T are you deluded? Like how are we even arguing that RRQ is better than NRG when they got destroyed by NRG 13-7 , 13-8
and talon and rrq are top 3 in apac, we can make the same argument for literally every region
Exactly last year the only apac team that made playoffs was DRX
FNC and TH were the only good teams from Emea last year and even then fnc went out 0-2 at Shanghai
And we don’t need to explain china
Our top 2 teams have definitively been Sen and G2. Sen has not been capable of beating the top international teams, and G2 hasn't been able to win a tournament (plus they'll have limited practice time with leaf going into champs which nerfs them a lot). C9 and NRG are solid but mediocre compared to the 3/4 seeds from other regions. Lev has a ton of pop off potential and if they keep improving I could see them doing damage, but they could also just fall flat and not even make champs. Mibr should be pretty self explanatory. Compare that to regions like EMEA (FNC, TL, TH, BBL) and APAC (T1, GenG, PRX, RRQ) that have had several teams competing for the top spot and it starts to look pretty dire for us. Also, those regions have teams that probably aren't/can't make champs such as DRX, talon, KC, and NAVI that have shown a ton of potential and pushed the top teams, whereas we don't.
SEN has consistently improved over the year whilst teams like Vitality and DRX and only declined from the first masters. SEN beat wolves who infact had the best chance against SEN with the amount of anti starting they were doing that game. Wolves then beat two of the teams you just mentioned and played a fairly close game with PRX. If were are not counting EWC heretics and BBL have quite literally done absolutely nothing. Even if you want to factor in ewc that’s worse sen went to OT on icebox their worst map against BBL which for them is one of if not their best map… and NRG absolutely destroy TH on lotus. SEN destroyed DRX and six man or not the game wasn’t even close enough to justify one player who’s by no means their best player making a difference. SEN has also beaten G2 with and without leaf both iterations of the team being top teams. So prior to this stage SEN G2 and NRG have shown they’re top teams. 100T beat NRG showing they can hang at the top as well even if they aren’t consistent currently. C9 played a fairly close game to SEN showing they can do the same and LEV played close games to both C9 and LEV and even MIBR have shown they’re top can bounce back beating 100T and playing a very close game to NRG even with a drastic team change in IGL. The fact that the top teams can be pushed in other regions is not inherently a good thing. G2 cannot be pushed because their floor is incredibly high, it’s very hard to anti strat them and they are incredibly consistent. PRX can be pushed by Zeta… RRQ by GE and DRX teams just blatantly worse than them. Geng by nongshim… T1 by talon, Talon by DFM… this is not a good thing… it shows that you are very easy to anti strat that you have tons of very exploitable weaknesses that there’s a large distance between your floor and ceiling. I have no idea why you and many others think that’s a good thing.
PRX can be pushed by Zeta… RRQ by GE and DRX teams just blatantly worse than them. Geng by nongshim… T1 by talon, Talon by DFM… this is not a good thing… it shows that you are very easy to anti strat that you have tons of very exploitable weaknesses that there’s a large distance between your floor and ceiling. I have no idea why you and many others think that’s a good thing.
So these "theoritically" worse teams are actually good at anti strat the better team
You, like him simply say nothing of substance and then proceed to make claims that can be applied to several other teams. Which leads to nothing… let alone “improving” it’s actually just kinda cringe.
eye test is a natural thing if u can process ur golden organ called brain
“Eye test” I different for different people it is not a objective metric as different people see different things based on experience and knowledge of the game and overall preference. Again do you intend to say like literally anything of substance? Or just say “no you’re dumb” in a fancy way again?
Eye test” I different for different people it is not a objective metric as different people see different things based on experience and knowledge of the game and overall preference
funny u say this but u generalisation in ur OP is showing in the spotlight. think again
AMER teams underperformed at toronto/ewc, have the worst 'bottom of the barrel' teams and also have the least top teams(just SEN/g2 compared to other regions)
I dont act think americas is that bad tho, to me sen/g2 only dominate cuase they are more consistent then other top teams, but americas prolly still is like the 3rd competitive region(a little behind EMEA)
One of their teams played with a coach last minute. I would say SEN G2 NRG are all top teams whilst C9 and LEV are constantly improve towards that level. C9 getting owned by them then taking them to 3 close maps is proof of that. And that’s ignoring 100T who are just very inconsistent currently. I agree with the worst team being the worst in VCT however.
It is not propaganda, it is fact
Just because you don't like it, it is not propaganda
It's true, if u look in comparison G2 is the only good team, sen though the roster is really great and has got high potential ,it's like they are good in America's but are still far away from proving anything in internationals. And fact is ngl it feels like some of the teams from America's have gotten worse like kru or eg. Even if u don't agree as compared to last year it feels more like America's floor( basically how bad the below teams are) has decreased and the worse teams have gotten even worse like kru they gotten overall worse than last year so has eg, 100t, furia and they are already sending a not so good looking mibr for champs, so u can say floor has gotten worse. While for other regions the worse teams from the last year have gotten somewhat better and did show potential- in EMEA gx have gotten phenomenally better so have liquid, navi, even M8 who choked a hell ton of their 12-x leads did show good stuff and potential to win, koi also got better , apeks had some good stuff not too much tho, bbl got better, so the floor rather increased here. As well in APAC where geng maintained a good high standard, talon and rrq actually show good stuff this year, drx tho 5/6 curse still show good stuff , dfm also had potential and so did ge, so it's like their floor somewhat increased too
mibr qualified for champs with 9 points. they would place 7th in pacific and 6th in china, this is enough proof that americas are just not competitive enough
That is a horrible bench mark… neither of those regions have consistently dominant teams.
PRX were shit in kickoffs and neither of prx or geng have been dominant lmao they’ve been constantly up and down in gameplay.
you've been watching with your eyes closed i see
even pre-choke geng was the most dominant team in toronto, its just unlucky pac is super competitive and rrq are their kryptonite
meanwhile americass got mibr squeezed thru champs just a week after group ended
I’m referring to regionals… 3 games does not make you a dominant team lmao. That last comment just established that your clearly bias and pointless to talk to as that would get no where you’re a brick wall… simply agree to disagree.
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