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Is Demon1 a top 10 player of all time?
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Prime Demon1 would 1v5 lulquid and win champs paris with his eyes closed
if we're going prime for prime he had the 2nd or 3rd best depending on where you place leo prime. but all time hes not top 10
If he shouldn’t be top10 then neither should Yay, they both dominated their respective years and then fell off with a vengeance
Yay isn't top 10 tbh, people who put him top 10 don't know shit , he had singular good year only tbh alright and then things fell apart so hard.
2021 and 2022 / had the highest peak in valorant / only Val player to win eSports player of the year.
Manufactured hype + Yay won absolutely nothing in 2021 and even ghosted in VALORANT Champions of that year.
And Team Heretics are the greatest team in VALORANT if coming 2nd ever meant anything
he is not even top 20 wtf am I reading holy. why is this something to be discussed????
yall are so clueless and should stop talking its insane.
Chronicle, Derke, Alfajer, Aspas, nAts, Leo, Boaster, Yay, Sacy, Mako, Less, Meteor, TenZ is top 13
- Chronicle
- Derke
- Alfajer
- Aspas
- nAts
- Leo
- Boaster
- Yay
- Sacy
- MaKo
- Meteor
- Less
- TenZ
- cNed
- F0rsaken
- Saadhak
- BuZz
- t3xture
- Jawgemo
- Zmjjkk
21-75 (no order in each category):
21-30: Shao, Suygetsu, Demon1, Crashies, FNS, Zekken, d4v41, Jingg, Chichoo, Munchkin
31-40: RieNs, Ange1, Zeek, Ethan, Marved, Boostio, pAncada, Keznit, Stax, mindfreak
41-50: ScreaM, Sayf, Ardiis, Redgar, Victor, Trent, kiNgg, Something, Karon, Smoggy
51-60: Starxo, Jamppi, Sheydos, Zyppan, Wo0t, Kaajak, Leaf, Mazino, sScary
61-70: Miniboo, Benjyfishy, SicK, bang, c0m, johnqt, Heat, Zest, Rb, nobody
71-75: Nukkye, s0m, Cryo, Zellsis, Asuna
Your top 7 players are 6 EMEA players, 5 of them being fnatic slops 😭
its just a fact though that they are in the top 10 though. not bias
I have stats to prove they are better lol
Cned, Less, Mako and Tenz all above Forsaken? I feel like Forsaken should be above at least one of them, no? Above Cned for sure?
forsaken is only there cuz he has attended so many events
if u look at his international stats though, none of them are as impressive as what the others have really
F0rsaken:
2021: Duelist
2022: Duelist + Chamber
2023: Duelist + Initiator (Flash/Support) + Controller + Sentinel + IGL
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + Yoru + Harbor + Cypher + IGL
2025: Controller + Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + IGL
Trophies: 1, Finals: 3, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 7
International Appearances: 11/14
Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)
International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.
ok keep saying im baiting instead of explaining that impact. You are the same type of person to say Boaster is not top 10. You are just biased lmao.
im not saying he isnt good, just not top 10.
here is chronicle compared to f0rsaken:
Chronicle:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)
Trophies: 3, Finals: 5, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 8
International Appearances: 8/14
Best performances:
Berlin 2021: 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts). The official MVP on liquipedia though (but I dont agree with liquipedia and think he was worse than nAts)
Champs 2021: MVP (but losing team), so 2nd MVP (after zeek)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on losing team (3rd MVP of the series overall)
International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8)
5 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.
F0rsaken might not put up insane stats, but he has incredible impact. He was crucial in winning prx the trophy (you could argue Alfa should've had mvp, but F0rsaken won so many rounds for them - Alfa fragged super hard, but F0rsaken had a crazy clutch rate, amazing amount of assists, and very little untraded first deaths, and a good amount of untraded first kills.)
If anything, he has to be above Cned. Cned had an amazing tournament with the first champs, but he's not played good enough to be considered top 20 oat at all.
cNed was not just good at Champs 2021 (he was really good (like not human) from 2020-2022 and still topping stats on NAVI in 2023)
he was the GOAT awp and probably still is unless u wanna argue for Zmjjkk (but he kinda doesnt AWP as much anymore).
Its the team(PRX)'s playstyle that has gotten them the success, not just forsaken
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he did not attend any internationals in 2022 right? 2020-2021 with an insane form I will admit, though he wasn't really known in 2020. Very scary in 2021, for sure, incredible performance. But he was the 3rd best player on Navi in 2023. Shao & Suygetsu were both better than him (though very close, to be fair). By far a top 3 oat operator player, but he has the same accolades as Demon1, 1 really really insanely good year, a champs trophy, and no real impact afterwards. F0rsaken has missed 3 internationals.
he has FK:FD of 37:31 at Toronto (also this is only 1 tournament)
that is okay, but isnt even close to as good as Alfajer's 73:45
Specifically talking about Untraded first kills and untraded first deaths
F0rsaken:
UFK: 7.5%
UFD: 6.5%
Alfa:
UFK: 14.8% (This is insane by the way, Kaajak had 17.4%)
UFD: 8.8%
These stats are so strongly different because of the roles, and how the teams themselves played (Prx strongly favouring team fights, and Fnatic playing a lot slower, with a lot more inserts/lurks). I'm not saying that Alfa didn't get crazy value with it, but F0rsaken played his role nearly perfectly. If F0rsaken didn't play how he played, PRX wouldn't have won. Alfa could've played worse, and they still would've lost. F0rsaken had more impact, even if Alfa played better individually.
removed him
thas why i have said before the 21-75 is rough (not in that post though)
ngl as long as demon1 is higher than kang kang
they basically have the same accolades except demon1 got second in tokyo while kang kang got 3rd in bangkok
also demon1 has diffed kang kang on multiple occasions in internationals
kang kang and edg just china farmers
Kangkang has been insane on the international and regional stage for years...what has demon 1 done before and after 2023?
People always underrate kangkang because china didnt have regionals until 2024. Kangkang is insane and deserve a spot in the top 20s, he carried his team in LAN
chichoo has always had more impact than kang kang in regionals and some internationals its just thats hes playing controller and kang kang is playing flashy duelists...
chichoo has always had more impact than kang kang in regionals and some internationals
This is just not true. KangKang was way more impactful and consistent in 2024 and 2025 (count out Bangkok because chichoo was insane and kk had to play Yoru)
also demon1 has diffed kang kang on multiple occasions in internationals
cauanzin diffed leo twice at champs yet i dont see anyone rating him as the best initiator
Prime EG Demon1 peak definitely is Top5 OAT. But his overall performance throughout the years is definitely not Top10 anymore. Maybe he can come back, just maybe.
i got demon1 mousepad, demon1 mouse, demon1 crosshair, demon1 haircut, demon1 skin set demon1's name is max so i changed my name to max If Demon1 has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Demon1 has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Demon1 has only one fan then that is me. If Demon1 has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Demon1, then I am against the world
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