Is Demon1 a top 10 player of all time?

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eexlnc

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KClaw

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Fuck no, had half a good year and that's it?

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Prime Demon1 would 1v5 lulquid and win champs paris with his eyes closed

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Jayde

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He wouldnt fit intonthe meta at all rn

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Kiko

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if we're going prime for prime he had the 2nd or 3rd best depending on where you place leo prime. but all time hes not top 10

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probably not, imo he's a hm since he really had a prime of half of year

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eitanio

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No and neither is cNed

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n1cf

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stop right there buddy.

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ArterieX

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Cned was good for 3 years dont talk ill of him

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number7_cNed_fan

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Woah woah woah

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Number1_Suzu_Fan

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If he shouldn’t be top10 then neither should Yay, they both dominated their respective years and then fell off with a vengeance

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tricycl3

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2021 yay

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KClaw

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Yay isn't top 10 tbh, people who put him top 10 don't know shit , he had singular good year only tbh alright and then things fell apart so hard.

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Syed_Ahamed

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2021 and 2022 / had the highest peak in valorant / only Val player to win eSports player of the year.

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Number1_Suzu_Fan

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Manufactured hype + Yay won absolutely nothing in 2021 and even ghosted in VALORANT Champions of that year.

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Pyr0t

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envy pre yay was top 4 in NA but masters grand finalists with him?

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Number1_Suzu_Fan

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And Team Heretics are the greatest team in VALORANT if coming 2nd ever meant anything

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_blahaj

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2021, 2022, AND 2025 BABY WE'RE WINNING CHAMPS AGAIN LETS GOOOOOO

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BuZzfan1

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I'm not even an Optic fan, but if you truly believe this you're retarded

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Vegaaa

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top 10 peaks, but not top 10 players

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Pyr0t

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no

#15

aspassonjiezounb

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in 2023 yes

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not even in 2023, alfa was on fire

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sentinelmain377

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he is not even top 20 wtf am I reading holy. why is this something to be discussed????

yall are so clueless and should stop talking its insane.

Chronicle, Derke, Alfajer, Aspas, nAts, Leo, Boaster, Yay, Sacy, Mako, Less, Meteor, TenZ is top 13

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waseetali9

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saddhak hell even zeek and cned are above him

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sentinelmain377

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Demon1 is like 26-30 probably

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sentinelmain377

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Chronicle
Derke
Alfajer
Aspas
nAts
Leo
Boaster
Yay
Sacy
MaKo
Meteor
Less
TenZ
cNed
F0rsaken
Saadhak
BuZz
t3xture
Jawgemo
Zmjjkk

21-75 (no order in each category):
21-30: Shao, Suygetsu, Demon1, Crashies, FNS, Zekken, d4v41, Jingg, Chichoo, Munchkin
31-40: RieNs, Ange1, Zeek, Ethan, Marved, Boostio, pAncada, Keznit, Stax, mindfreak
41-50: ScreaM, Sayf, Ardiis, Redgar, Victor, Trent, kiNgg, Something, Karon, Smoggy
51-60: Starxo, Jamppi, Sheydos, Zyppan, Wo0t, Kaajak, Leaf, Mazino, sScary
61-70: Miniboo, Benjyfishy, SicK, bang, c0m, johnqt, Heat, Zest, Rb, nobody
71-75: Nukkye, s0m, Cryo, Zellsis, Asuna

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glittering_yard

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Your top 7 players are 6 EMEA players, 5 of them being fnatic slops 😭

#24

sentinelmain377

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its just a fact though that they are in the top 10 though. not bias
I have stats to prove they are better lol

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Roly05

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Cned, Less, Mako and Tenz all above Forsaken? I feel like Forsaken should be above at least one of them, no? Above Cned for sure?

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sentinelmain377

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forsaken is only there cuz he has attended so many events

if u look at his international stats though, none of them are as impressive as what the others have really

F0rsaken:
2021: Duelist
2022: Duelist + Chamber
2023: Duelist + Initiator (Flash/Support) + Controller + Sentinel + IGL
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + Yoru + Harbor + Cypher + IGL
2025: Controller + Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + IGL

Trophies: 1, Finals: 3, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 7
International Appearances: 11/14

Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)

International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.

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Jayde

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Forsaken is an impact player, i wont argue with a baiter tho

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sentinelmain377

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ok keep saying im baiting instead of explaining that impact. You are the same type of person to say Boaster is not top 10. You are just biased lmao.

im not saying he isnt good, just not top 10.

here is chronicle compared to f0rsaken:
Chronicle:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)

Trophies: 3, Finals: 5, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 8
International Appearances: 8/14

Best performances:
Berlin 2021: 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts). The official MVP on liquipedia though (but I dont agree with liquipedia and think he was worse than nAts)
Champs 2021: MVP (but losing team), so 2nd MVP (after zeek)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on losing team (3rd MVP of the series overall)

International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8)
5 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.

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Roly05

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F0rsaken might not put up insane stats, but he has incredible impact. He was crucial in winning prx the trophy (you could argue Alfa should've had mvp, but F0rsaken won so many rounds for them - Alfa fragged super hard, but F0rsaken had a crazy clutch rate, amazing amount of assists, and very little untraded first deaths, and a good amount of untraded first kills.)

If anything, he has to be above Cned. Cned had an amazing tournament with the first champs, but he's not played good enough to be considered top 20 oat at all.

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sentinelmain377

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cNed was not just good at Champs 2021 (he was really good (like not human) from 2020-2022 and still topping stats on NAVI in 2023)
he was the GOAT awp and probably still is unless u wanna argue for Zmjjkk (but he kinda doesnt AWP as much anymore).

Its the team(PRX)'s playstyle that has gotten them the success, not just forsaken

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Roly05

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but he did not attend any internationals in 2022 right? 2020-2021 with an insane form I will admit, though he wasn't really known in 2020. Very scary in 2021, for sure, incredible performance. But he was the 3rd best player on Navi in 2023. Shao & Suygetsu were both better than him (though very close, to be fair). By far a top 3 oat operator player, but he has the same accolades as Demon1, 1 really really insanely good year, a champs trophy, and no real impact afterwards. F0rsaken has missed 3 internationals.

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sentinelmain377

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he has FK:FD of 37:31 at Toronto (also this is only 1 tournament)

that is okay, but isnt even close to as good as Alfajer's 73:45

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Roly05

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Specifically talking about Untraded first kills and untraded first deaths

F0rsaken:
UFK: 7.5%
UFD: 6.5%

Alfa:
UFK: 14.8% (This is insane by the way, Kaajak had 17.4%)
UFD: 8.8%

These stats are so strongly different because of the roles, and how the teams themselves played (Prx strongly favouring team fights, and Fnatic playing a lot slower, with a lot more inserts/lurks). I'm not saying that Alfa didn't get crazy value with it, but F0rsaken played his role nearly perfectly. If F0rsaken didn't play how he played, PRX wouldn't have won. Alfa could've played worse, and they still would've lost. F0rsaken had more impact, even if Alfa played better individually.

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M40

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how is keiko top 70

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sentinelmain377

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removed him

thas why i have said before the 21-75 is rough (not in that post though)

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sw4gman

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no

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Jayde

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Nah, was only that good for 2 events

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NioMS

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Top 50 maybe

#26

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ngl as long as demon1 is higher than kang kang

they basically have the same accolades except demon1 got second in tokyo while kang kang got 3rd in bangkok
also demon1 has diffed kang kang on multiple occasions in internationals
kang kang and edg just china farmers

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Jayde

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Kangkang has been insane on the international and regional stage for years...what has demon 1 done before and after 2023?

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RapGod

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People always underrate kangkang because china didnt have regionals until 2024. Kangkang is insane and deserve a spot in the top 20s, he carried his team in LAN

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Gdgdfdgtttt

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chichoo has always had more impact than kang kang in regionals and some internationals its just thats hes playing controller and kang kang is playing flashy duelists...

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RapGod

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chichoo has always had more impact than kang kang in regionals and some internationals

This is just not true. KangKang was way more impactful and consistent in 2024 and 2025 (count out Bangkok because chichoo was insane and kk had to play Yoru)

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catNmouse

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also demon1 has diffed kang kang on multiple occasions in internationals

cauanzin diffed leo twice at champs yet i dont see anyone rating him as the best initiator

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Shadow_Monarch

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Prime EG Demon1 peak definitely is Top5 OAT. But his overall performance throughout the years is definitely not Top10 anymore. Maybe he can come back, just maybe.

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Top 10 corniest villains of vct 🦹🦹🏿‍♀️

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AzraelllSEN

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fuck no that lemon was relevant for half a year

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he did have a top 3 peak imo

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Ahnri

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No…

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i got demon1 mousepad, demon1 mouse, demon1 crosshair, demon1 haircut, demon1 skin set demon1's name is max so i changed my name to max If Demon1 has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Demon1 has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Demon1 has only one fan then that is me. If Demon1 has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Demon1, then I am against the world