This is not in any specific order tbh
Derke (pure global dominance for literally 4 years and consistency)
Aspas (interchangeable with derke tbh for the same reasons)
Tenz (let's be honest no star player has pulled off a comeback till now, the way he has like c'mon)
HIJACK COMMENT:
top 20 all time:
Chronicle:
Has played all roles in the game to a tier 1 level:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)
Trophies: 3, Finals: 5, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 8
International Appearances: 8/14
Best performances:
Berlin 2021: Liquipedia says he was MVP, but most people (including me) believe he was 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts)
Champs 2021: MVP (but losing team), so 2nd MVP (after zeek)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on losing team (3rd MVP of the series overall)
International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8)
🚨🚨🚨5 International Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player. More than Aspas.
Player Ranking Every Year:
2021: #2 player of the year (after GMB nAts)
2022: N/A
2023: #6 player of the year (after Leo, Alfajer, Demon1, Aspas, Derke)
2024: #12 player of the year (after T3xture, Zekken, Meteor, RieNs, Aspas, Karon, W00t, Derke, TenZ, Chichoo, Zmjjkk)
2025: ~#5 player of the year so far (after Alfajer, F0rsaken, Meteor, Trent. Debatable: Derke, T3xture)
5 tournaments where he wasnt even the best player on his own team
zero #1 player placements
never the best in the world at any moment
all he does is play well consistently
stats inflated by playing a bait role constantly
keep just ignoring the GOAT's results (on multiple roles) and staying deluded.
his trophies/stats/and played roles at tier 1 clear all other players by a lot. and he has a tournament MVP (according to liquipedia): https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/Statistics
although for some reason, this shit has Marved > Yay in Reykjavik 2022, and Aspas with 0.99 rating and not even finals MVP???? > Sacy&Pancada in Champs 2022. I dont remember pre-franchising MVPs being official so this might just be made up (on liquipedia)
Just being another good player has never meant being the best. Chronicle is outshone on Fnatic at some point by every player but boaster. Nats was marginally better than him on gambit. The era where he stood out the most was the dinosaur era where everyone was trash at the game.
Your goat has never been the star player ever, only a competent supporter to even greater players. Worst goat candidate of all time.
Is there any point in his career where he was the best itw? Never. Yay cleared him at Berlin and afterwards in the chamber meta. Aspas cleared him in his prime. Demon1 cleared him in his prime. All this guy has is consistently good performances which highly inflates his stats. If he never has a bad game its no wonder he is a vlr rating demon. But he will never be the X factor, the final piece that makes a roster world class.
Yay cleared him at BerlinHe didnt.
Yay (duelist btw) obviously has slightly higher stats overall while playing in the easiest group of all time.
Chronicle was the best in the world during Champs 2021 (just didnt win). And according to liquipedia, he was the best in the world during Berlin.
A guy that has attended 36% of finals is definitely an X factor. Idk what ur on about.
regardless he still gets cleared at berlin by his own teammate, in the dino era where all the talent is cs rejects
how is this the goat?
regardless he still gets cleared at berlin by his own teammate, in the dino era where all the talent is cs rejects
how is this the goat?
5 years on c9 and his only win was a mickey mouse lcq. At least assuna has some tier2 trophies
in terms of achievements and stats
HMs: Sacy, Alfa, Boaster
cant argue with you since its all about opinions. to me they would be a very very close 4 and 5.
too much recency for him imo, another year of good results would put him there in my eyes.
TenZ??????????
Chron, Derke, Alfajer, Aspas, nAts, Leo, Sacy, Yay, Less, MaKo all clear him
get asspiss out of GOAT discussion. he has 1 title 3 years ago when his only competition was a chamber 1 trick
hes been on teams where he wasnt getting carried by saahak great calls and hasnt been able to do shit
The secret GOAT: Asuna for gatekeeping all the talent he’s played with
Tenz: 2 masters on two different rosters on two different roles. Best on the team for the first second best for the second. + The single most dominant individual performance of all time full stop.
Leo: 2 masters whilst being the best on his team at both.
Aspas: Consistently one of the best duelist itw every year
Derke literally does what you said about Aspas, but better (longer)
stats:
DERKE:
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ASPAS:
Derke was silent in 2023. Inconsistent 21 and 22. And silent 2024 until champs not just speaking internationally. Speaking both regionally and internationally. Also ofc its your opinion lol but seeing 2021 Tenz below 3 people was enough for me.
demon1 is definitively top 20 he carried his team though champs 2023 and a decent bit of masters tokyo
derke on this list shows true duelist bias
anyways real top three is:
Aspas (no need to explain)
Chron (most decorated player)
Mako (genuinely never had a bad year and been a top controller in his region and even the world every year)
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