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Can a man be called the GOAT?

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#1
Hades_Loves_Rb

If he was never the best at any time?

Aspas has never been the best player at any point in his career

2022-yay
2023-Leo (first 2 thirds), Demon1(final third)
2024-Zekken (first third), Texture (second third), Zmjkk (final third)
2025-Trent (first third),

#2
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the following is not MVPs and is the best player at different times (not the actual ranking of players in the year):
2021 is TenZ, nAts, Chronicle
2022 is yay, Shao/Suygetsu, yay
2023 is Leo, Leo, Demon1
2024 is Zekken, T3xture, Zmjjkk
2025 first third is Derke

idc that Vitality did not win. bro WAS SHITTING on everyone

Top 20 players VLR EDITION: https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/

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yay was still better than suygetsu at copenhagen shao is debatble but I still think yay>
you can maybe say derke for kickoff but bangkok he was def not as good-trent as much as we love to hate him was the best player by far in stage 1 and amazing in kickoff/bangkok

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sentinelmain377
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First third means only kickoff/bangkok no? Derke easily wins that (if you watched DRX vs VIT abyss, you would not disagree trust me - shit was better than SEN vs LEV aspas)

#30
tiyoe
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chichoo was the best player and i wont listen to any argument against it.

#42
MrHyphon
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Yeah I think people forget how scary Chichoo was at Bangkok. Dude was agreed to be the best player itw at the time

#40
Stormbreakers
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Not really?? Derke had many quite moments too.

Chichoo was obviously the best & most impactful player of the tournament and if EDG won he would have gotten the MVP, even if KK pulled out another record breaking performance in grandfinals.

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delighted
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"derke" πŸ˜­πŸ™πŸ’”πŸ₯€

#9
teilwal
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derke sneak

#18
n1cf
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cNed was the best player in 2021.

#22
sentinelmain377
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3rd best after nAts and Chronicle
pretty much better than tenz though

#23
delighted
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"best player" πŸ’”πŸ₯€

#26
n1cf
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your ass wasnt even there in 2021 bruh sybau

#27
delighted
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been lurking this shitty site since 2022 motherfucker

#29
Razzal78
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My sigma

#36
n1cf
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see, wasnt there in 2021 ask every pro to name top3 best players of 2021 almost all of em gon say cNed 1st

#41
delighted
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no way you have cNed over the likes of nAts, chronicle.....

#48
Aayan
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nAts and Chronicle were both good but prime cNed was really something else. They are both better than him all time, but I think if we're talking strictly in 2021 cNed takes the cake.

I think the reason why nAts and Chronicle get more praise than cNed for 2021 is because they're still top level players, so it's simpler for people who didn't watch back then (which is likely the majority nowadays) to associate the 'best player' with someone they're more familiar with. (I guess this is just a long way of saying 'recency bias')

#28
Yistyy
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Do you try to have bad takes intentionally

#45
Super_Devvik7
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2023 was Leo, Alfajer(closely followed by Leo), Demon1

#3
vincentgee
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2021 - nAts, TenZ, cNed

Remove your 2025 it's shit.

#6
DELUSIONAL_BANG_FAN
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it's not that he's never been #1 in the world, it's that he's been consistently a top 3 player in the world every year since 2022, which no one else in the world can even come close to saying

#20
oiiink
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AHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

oh wait i just saw ur username, mb vro

#35
PRLV
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Chronicle? Hell at this point put nAts in there as well

#46
HyunminFanboy
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Hes never been top 3 in an end year player list tho?

22- Yay Marved Less Shao, Mako, Suygetsu, Jinggg was rated higher than him

23- Demon1, Ethan, Leo, Alfa and maybe even Something

24- this year was the only year where he has an argument individual performance wise but his team achievements was not enough to put him above , Zekken, Meteor, T3xture and Kangkang. Not to mention C0m was better than him at champs

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delighted
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simply put: NO.

#8
Zerphyr1
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I love how for each tournament a player from the winning team is considered the best itw at that point in time which may be true for some tournaments but is just absurd for the majority of them.

Just because a team wins doesn't mean that a player from that team is necessarily the best itw. Your list for the best for each international tournament is just straight wrong and exposes ur biases

#13
grisx23
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of course a 100 dogshit fan would have qualms with that

#16
Zerphyr1
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Like his list seems to be based off purely just stats as the best performer in terms of stats is #1 for each event he points out which naturally is often on the winning team but this is taking stats too literal and having the best stats for 1 event doesn't meaning you are the best itw. If we are only looking at stats then deciding who the best itw is should be based more on present stats and past ones instead of only present ones otherwise you might have people like OXY being the best itw for a certain week or month for instance.

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Marii
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2024: Chichoo final third in every game but grands

#11
Marii
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2023: Alfajer Tokyo

#12
I_LOVE_LESS
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2022 - Less
2023 - Less
2024 - Less
2025 - Less

#19
ShivTheGreat01
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hop off his dih πŸ₯€πŸ’”

#32
I_LOVE_LESS
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god i wish i was on it

#14
AltonBu02
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Sleeping on FNS for sure

#17
menmymissus
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Bro FNS can't even hit still target

#15
brams6661
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2023 second third was Alfajer

#21
JustHunterM8
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yes you can, because none of them individually are more impressive than aspas historically. To call someone a GOAT they need to have historic performances which literally no one on that list has and when you compare their careers to aspas they all pale in comparison.
Its like how Ronaldos peak was arguably greater than many players called GOATs of football however he isnt placed on the list above players like messi christiano etc

#43
dandann
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None of the players above has historic performances? Lmao nats going nuts or Kang kang breaking records are enough to top aspas' "historic performances" he is not even the best rated player when Loud was winning tournaments. You are delusional

#25
Ronyko23
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Meteor was final mvp. EVen izu was better than trent.

And champs mvp always gonna hold more weight imo. Fans always gonna remember prime demon 1 & kk breaking kill record with underdog run.

#31
bruhmphrey
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When LOUD lifted that Champions trophy, there was without a doubt a GOAT, and that stood until the next season over. Aspas, save for this season, has been one of the most consistent and intelligent duelist players in the entire league. I glaze no players other than eeiu, but to MVP Champs and do it in the fashion he did; I would say Aspas at least deserves to be named alongside some of the players you had.

8/8 Fell For The Rage-Bait

#33
c4rrotstix
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Aspas wasn't mvp at champs...

#34
bruhmphrey
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Mb, he was America's MVP, my memory failed me

#38
Hades_Loves_Rb
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aspas wasnt even top 3 on his team at champs

and yay cleared everyone that year

#37
islaaa
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2025 first third is Meteor right?

#39
sexocum
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cNed 2021

#44
Cerati
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where's tacolilla and rb?

#47
SquareMars
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Tom Brady wasn't the best quarterback during any season, he had the best overall career

Same applies with Aspas.

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