Aspas is NOT the goat

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shizuku_hajime

How can he be the goat when chronicle has

More trophies than him
Higher individual ratings than him at international events (his highest rating in every year except 2022 where he didn’t attend an international because his team was screwed over by certain things outside of valorant)
He is a flex meaning it’s harder for him to put up insane numbers as he has to play a bunch of different agents on multiple roles and he still outperforms aspas
He has won tournaments with 2 different orgs speaking 2 different languages (he also went to back to back finals with both teams as well)
5.aspas has never been a top 5 player at an international event
(I don’t know about Iceland 2 as I didn’t watch that event I’m pretty sure so he could’ve of been then but I’m not sure) meanwhile chronicle has been a top 5 players and even top 3 players at multiple international events across multiple years
Finally chronicle has been at the top since 2021 while aspas has been at the top since 2022 so he even has 1 more year of consistency over aspas as he’s spent 1 more year at the top than aspas.

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EndMePleaseUwU

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No World Cup = Not a Legend

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wdym the Esports World Cup just started this year

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Champs

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Burger_brain

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why tf did u say "world cup" then?

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EndMePleaseUwU

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Because it is lmao

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Burger_brain

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so masters/ international event is world cup too gotcha

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EndMePleaseUwU

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Masters = A tier events
World Champ = S tier event

My bad I didn't realize I'm arguing with a sen fan

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Burger_brain

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Liquipedia classifies BOTH masters and champs S TIER EVENTS

U got this information out of ur ass didnt ya?

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EndMePleaseUwU

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Masters have WAY less teams meaning fluke team can win it compared to Champs that has more teams and more at stake

Gonna be straight with you Head up their ass is the people at liquidpedia who don't know how to grade tournaments

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Burger_brain

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correct. i have to listen to a random on the internet rather than people who have been actively working in esports pages and communities for years and years. Thank god they dont listen to degens like u lol

WAY less teams fluke team can win it compared to Champs that has more teams and more at stake

12 to 16 teams is just 4 teams. how tf its affecting the comeptition? the fact that u think more teams means more competition says alot about u💀

continue thread →

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Uhmmm

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Masters is A tier?? What kind of mental retardation do you have

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Asunas_Chinese_Teacher

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Because aspas won champs chron hasn't

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shizuku_hajime

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He won as the least important player pancada, sacy and less was better and more important and saadhak being the igl was naturally more important

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0/8

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noSananoLife

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Chron came 2nd and if sheydos won the 1v1 OT on Icebox then Chron would of been champ himself

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Congo1

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okay kiles is valorant GOAT he won champs you retahrd

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Aspas is NOT the goat

How can he be the goat when chronicle has

More trophies than him
Higher individual ratings than him at international events (his highest rating in every year except 2022 where he didn’t attend an international because his team was screwed over by certain things outside of valorant)
He is a flex meaning it’s harder for him to put up insane numbers as he has to play a bunch of different agents on multiple roles and he still outperforms aspas
He has won tournaments with 2 different orgs speaking 2 different languages (he also went to back to back finals with both teams as well)
aspas has never been a top 5 player at an international event
(I don’t know about Iceland 2 as I didn’t watch that event I’m pretty sure so he could’ve of been then but I’m not sure) meanwhile chronicle has been a top 5 players and even top 3 players at multiple international events across multiple years
Finally chronicle has been at the top since 2021 while aspas has been at the top since 2022 so he even has 1 more year of consistency over aspas as he’s spent 1 more year at the top than aspas.

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DSBY

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Aspiss is NOT the skibidi rizzler

How can he be the skibidi rizzler when chronicle has

Free robux
Better skins
Matching PFPs with his waifu

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DSBY

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why are y'all brainrotted

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Divine_Thunder

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LESS IS THE GOAT

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I_LOVE_LESS

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this guy gets it

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Warlordwibz

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Normal people: Aspas = Goat
shizuku_hajime: uhm actually TECHNICALITIES, CONDITIONALLY, NITPICK WISE, IN MY NARRATIVE IF 1,2,3,4,5

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ok

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Based

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faloxxl

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Guys get a job fr

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Almost 500 posts🥀

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faloxxl

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in 1 year and 2 months wow !

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EndMePleaseUwU

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BooOOoOOoOoo Karmine Corp 2023 and Scream as an IGL BooOOooOoOoo

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aketrps

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u got 200+ in 15 days

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angel98

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1 Aspas
2 Nats
3 Leo

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themaniel

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Nats sneak

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They hate you cause you’re right

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Vatsug

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Aspas is NOT the goat

How can he be the goat when chronicle has

More trophies than him
Higher individual ratings than him at international events (his highest rating in every year except 2022 where he didn’t attend an international because his team was screwed over by certain things outside of valorant)
He is a flex meaning it’s harder for him to put up insane numbers as he has to play a bunch of different agents on multiple roles and he still outperforms aspas
He has won tournaments with 2 different orgs speaking 2 different languages (he also went to back to back finals with both teams as well)
aspas has never been a top 5 player at an international event
(I don’t know about Iceland 2 as I didn’t watch that event I’m pretty sure so he could’ve of been then but I’m not sure) meanwhile chronicle has been a top 5 players and even top 3 players at multiple international events across multiple years
Finally chronicle has been at the top since 2021 while aspas has been at the top since 2022 so he even has 1 more year of consistency over aspas as he’s spent 1 more year at the top than aspas.

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How can he be the goat when chronicle has

More trophies than him
Higher individual ratings than him at international events (his highest rating in every year except 2022 where he didn’t attend an international because his team was screwed over by certain things outside of valorant)
He is a flex meaning it’s harder for him to put up insane numbers as he has to play a bunch of different agents on multiple roles and he still outperforms aspas
He has won tournaments with 2 different orgs speaking 2 different languages (he also went to back to back finals with both teams as well)
5.aspas has never been a top 5 player at an international event
(I don’t know about Iceland 2 as I didn’t watch that event I’m pretty sure so he could’ve of been then but I’m not sure) meanwhile chronicle has been a top 5 players and even top 3 players at multiple international events across multiple years
Finally chronicle has been at the top since 2021 while aspas has been at the top since 2022 so he even has 1 more year of consistency over aspas as he’s spent 1 more year at the top than aspas.

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penpen

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ok reins

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foythvlr

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don't believe chronicle propaganda this post is literally sponsored by chronicle's mom and posted by chronicle's alt and i have proof

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Burger_brain

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i have proof

from brazillian boots

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foythvlr

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no i talked to his mom shes a nice lady

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Anguibok

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Good argumentation, don't pay attention to the rageous people in comment that need to copy pasta when someone write more than 2 lign to give an argumented opinion

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Veri

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True
Not true. If we consider only 23 and 24, Aspas has a higher rating/acs than Chron in 3 out of the 5 tournaments they played against each other.
Its true that its harder for him to perform but no he doesnt outperform Aspas internationally as i already proved in point 2
True. Meanwhile Aspas is the only player ever to make 3 internationals in 3 different rosters (was the best player in 2 of them) and also the only one to be in the Champs top 3 every year since 2022, also with 3 different rosters and 2 different languages.
Not true. He was top 5 in Champs 24.
Not true. Chron was not "at the top" in 2022, as you said he didn attend any internationals (regardless of the reason), so its a tie.

Overall i do think its a really good debate and its fine to belive Chron to be the GOAT as he is indeed a legend, but i slightly lean towards Aspas here because his regional dominance is unmatched and he is almost always the best player on his team which Chron never really was.

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chronishit has never been the goat

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Asscrackbandit

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He is better than any garbage2 player.

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idkmanwth

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there's the flash, there's the swing, and chronicle gets all threee, heartbreak for g2

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Aspas is NOT the goat

How can he be the goat when the goat has

Four legs
A coat of fur
A pair of horns
Vocal cords that mainly produce the "baa" sound
The ability and liking to chew through various random objects

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u know ball

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It's really funny to see you guys trying to create arguments to try to diminish Aspas, Aspas is the Goat, just accept it

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why chronicle IS the goat

deep game knowledge and adaptability as he can play almost every agent at a high level
unmatched trophy cabinet
perfect finals record
statistical excellence
clutch impact/team success
resilience under pressure

why aspas is NOT the goat

fewer international trophies
limited role versatility
inconsistent international success
less defensive contribution in comparison to chronicle since he can anchor sites

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pepthefrog

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Is KangKang painted on the wall?

Wins almost every regional lan finals
Wins champs
One of the best operators ever
Carried his team on champs finals
His aura alone farms them both

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Yistyy

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The reality is no one is unanimously the goat yet. But aspas has a better argument than chronicle due to chronicle not being as individually dominant.

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nxck

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chronicle is a super team merchant, lets put him in Gentlemates and lets see if they become a top 3 team from his region, buddie not gonna even classify to a international

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idkmanwth

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there's a reason superteams pick him, he adds the super to the superteam

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nxck

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im sorry but chronicle is NOT capable of carrying a team

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idkmanwth

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chronicle doesnt have to carry a team, he's the missing piece to a strong trophy contender, aspas is the goat i dont disagree, but people saying he carries his team all the time is not true, mibr didnt qualify for toronto ONLY because of aspas, lev didnt win americas ONLY because of aspas

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nxck

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i know that chronicle is a good piece for a team but he does not have the carry factor that aspas has, theres some matches like the mibr vs kru, mibr just won cuz aspas was +46, mibr still has great pieces who can fill their role really good, same with LEV the time aspas was there

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idkmanwth

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definitely not denying that, maybe it has something to do with aspas being a duelist too, but yeah he's the goat

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redgar deffo superteam lmao.

He was goat on gambit. goat on prime fnc and still goat on new FNC.

appreciate your goat

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lorenzopajaroFC

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Hot take but chronicle has been mid for the past 2 years

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sentinelmain377

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nah it just feels like that if u dont watch the games (I know from experience. The games I tune into remind me of how good he is)

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Congo1

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factually wrong looking at rating. This has been his first year being mediocre so far. But he improved in playoffs

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SENfns

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fns is better than any pro in VCT they're lucky he stopped competing

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aspas just farms regionally, on the other side chronicle tops the stats page for every event

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SENfns

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i remember when he topped masters bangkok stat page

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mulyondoindon

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yeah
ain't reading allat
Aspas is the goat

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downvote this clown

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DSBY

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downvoted the clown :)

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Phanification1

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He isn't.. he's mexican

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Phanification1

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It's over for him