Insider Truth about that flor 'statement'

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avrgvctenjoyer

Hey everyone, I just wanted to say that I was one of the people who hinted at Flor’s behavior a few months back in this thread [https://www.vlr.gg/439386/flor-fans-can-you-dm-me/#25] , and now that I’ve had the chance to read through her statement, I thought I’d share my thoughts and what I know about the situation.

I have to say this, don’t fall for Flor’s statement. It’s full of half-truths right from the start, and she takes no real responsibility. Don’t believe me? Ctrl+F for the word "responsibility" it’s not there. Why? Because she doesn't and genuinely believes she lives in her own world. She frames everything around her own version of events.
When your own teammates come forward and publicly condemn you, saying they trust the victims, that speaks volumes. From what I’ve seen and know, their trust isn’t misplaced and if that’s the case, it’s hard to take anything Flor says at face value.
Why isn’t she addressing the situation with Sarah at all? It’s because that part is true. And it really shows who she is. This silence says more than any excuse ever could—Flor’s actions have hurt people, and she refuses to own up to it.
When people talk about manipulation, this is exactly what they mean. Yes, Brick clearly has their own serious issues, but that doesn’t erase the fact that Flor is manipulative and toxic too. One person being awful doesn’t cancel out another’s wrongdoings.

I genuinely hope she never gets the chance to compete again. Her statement is a whole lot of nothing it’s her trying to save face with a one-sided narrative that basically says, “It’s not my fault everyone else is just as bad.” That’s not accountability; it’s deflection. She did the stuff that Brick and the other people mentioned but is saying she didn't because she lives in her own deluded fantasy

Are we seriously just going to ignore the fact that she once tweeted things like “I LIKE RAPE” and “LEGALISE RAPE”? Where are the statements addressing that? It’s honestly unbelievable. She’s shown time and time again that she’s a horrible person, and now she’s just trying to shift the blame and make others look worse so she can save face. If people are still backing her after all this falling for this sympathy-baiting statement then honestly, I’m starting to lose faith in people altogether.

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Nail in the coffin gg

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I think you are right my friend.

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type shi

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yeah, most attachments arent even related and are random asf

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this is exactly what i think too everyone is so quick to come out and just blindly believe flor's statement

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both parties need mental help badly

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One needs jail time tho

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Holyyy the OG is back, I believe you my goat

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Wait did I miss a chapter? Is brick a bad person too?

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what are you talking about? is the allegation that she's a "toxic" person? I don't think anyone is denying that, the real point is that there's practically zero evidence that she sexually assaulted brick

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I guess we only believe allegations when they against a man or something?

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who is "we"? for what it's worth I didn't think sinatraa was a rapist back when his drama was going

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Shi maybe u need some help too u clearly seem mad about something as trivial as this

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uwukitten

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bad bait since I'm not mad 😹I'm just doing whatever while I wait for NRG vs MIBR to start

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Look at what you’re saying “ what do you mean bro, can't you see the word responsible isn't in the document? we should hang flor” you’re clearly not normal

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you're gonna have to try harder to bait cause no way you think that sarcastic comment was me being angry 😹

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I don't know what wonderland you live in to consider something like rape as "trivial"

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How does this affect your life tho? Personally idc about either party

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hilarious

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What evidence do you need? Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Saying things like “oh, she didn’t cry in the car because Brick said they missed me” is wild how is that your argument? That’s literally what a toxic relationship looks like. Just because it doesn’t fit your narrative doesn’t make it any less real.

oh just read through that, kind of underwhelming honestly. they just said they believed the victims
I would've given it more credibility if they said anything to indicate her behavior on the team was like that. I recall mel excitedly watching apeks play and cheering for flor like a month ago lol

And this is your statement, from another post. Do you even know what it means to put up an act? Do you honestly think the SR girls weren’t totally disgusted by what Flor did to Sarah? But I guess what can you do? She’s the one deadweight lifting you to another trophy. In esports, winning pretty much covers up everything else. I promise you, if they weren’t winning, all this stuff would have come out way earlier, and we would’ve heard about it loud and clear.

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what do you mean "what evidence do you need?" I need evidence that the SA happened and we've seen none. all the screenshots showed is that they're both two retarded teenagers in a toxic relationship, and a screenshot where they're practically having e-sex and a screenshot of her saying "I miss you" is WAY more convincing than... nothing. maybe I missed something but what has brick shown from that day to indicate that she was SA'd? this is an actual question. again, I'm not claiming "I miss you" is some sort of conclusive evidence, but it isn't meaningless either

you're telling me mel voluntarily streamed apeks games "to put up an act"? do you think anyone would've said anything if she didn't? also the points I was making in the comment you quoted is that 1. the combined statement only says they believe the victim based on the screenshots. 2. sarah says flor was toxic/has a bad attitude in general, which is drastically different from SA.

you seem biased, I personally don't care much for both parties if I'm being honest. if anything I was against flor being picked up and thought she didn't deserve it 🗿

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you're telling me mel voluntarily streamed apeks games "to put up an act"? do you think anyone would've said anything if she didn't?

Yeah, people definitely would’ve said something by now. I’ve seen the stuff on Twitter, all those “Flor and Mel have daughter-mother vibes” comments, so it’s obvious people care. And honestly, Mel probably got a good number of subs and some traction from that stream so who can really blame her for that?
Of course, I’m biased because I called this months ago, but back then I got labeled a liar and a Flor hater. And seriously, how can anyone say Sarah is making false allegations when she has absolutely nothing to gain by lying? It just doesn’t add up.

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I never said sarah is making false accusations, and sure I'll concede there's a tiny chance mel was acting (though I personally don't believe so). still, there's no evidence she raped her

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there isnt since there arent fucking cameras. its more about flor likely did it due to her past behavior, manipulation and baiting suicide.

You either chose to believe in the "victim" or chose to believe the "accused".

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I'd agree with you before flor made this response along with the screenshots
the screenshots show brick was as bad in terms of "past behavior" and "manipulation". I find it hard to believe she was enthusiastically describing what they would do on discord the previous day, then she got raped and then said "I miss you" on the way back (when she says she was crying)

I know people do irrational things but come on, the evidence is not on her side. of course we can't say it's 100% either way

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brick being like that isnt so far fetched since thats how people are in toxic and manipulative relationships. thats why you see victims of sexual assault still being together with their perpetrator and making comments such as those. its finally when the vcitims are out of that relationship that they realized or come to the conclusion that something bad happened. also they were kids making it more likely that they needed time to fully understand what happened

brick isnt "innocent" either as she also contributed to the relationship being severely toxic and damaging but at the end of the day its a "she says he says" situation. im more towards the side of brick here but the smartest thing would prob be neutral in the SA part and also realize that flor is a horrible person all together

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what did flor do to sarah??

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https://x.com/sarah_frags/status/1924602688081162336

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So tell us all mighty Insider:

Did Flor SA'd Brick or not?

These people are clearly all toxic weirdos, unstable people, what we care is if the actual allegation of r*pe is true or not

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what do you mean bro, can't you see the word responsible isn't in the document? we should hang flor

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Hang? No. Ostracize and remove from the Val scene? Yeah.

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he was being sarcastic

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it's impossible to actually prove sa in this case since it's been too long since the incident

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avrgvctenjoyer

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SA yes to my knowledge

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flordiddy is done for. no tier 1 team will pick her ever again

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This is the truth
Brick has serious mental issues who flipflops like crazy which can be seen from her statements
Being in Relationship with such a kid is dangerous
but manipulating and being toxic rather than not breaking up completely shows you enjoy such a toxic relationship wanted to use brick for your own fantasies
You are the celebrity here not brick so you need a clean record
That rape legalizing tweet and wanted to be groomed pics are nail in the coffin imo

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I mean they're both in the wrong obviously as she said in the first part of the document, she admitted plenty of faults in the relationship but that SA had never occurred. Its quite evident that anyone with a brain can see they are both in the wrong because they were both young and dumb and had no idea what they're doing or saying.

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"but that SA had never occurred." ??? yeah bro ??

also the ex teammates arent stupid to stand out against flor for "sa" not "toxicity in relationships" keep fanboying diddy

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they stood against their teammate because of the rule of always believe the victim until proven wrong and because they haven't heard flors side of the story yet so ofc they are going to take the side of the victim

and yes no SA has been proven from either side because its basically impossible to prove SA through text messages and he said she said bullshit from teenagers

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if they didnt know flor's side of story, they would not talk about flor himself and just talk about the victim, but no, they talked about flor. the SA yeah it cant be proved but the likely hood is still very much there, flor is a fucked person

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I mean obviously flor is a terrible person but also so are brick and karie as you can tell by looking at the document and you cant just pick to believe the lesser evil in a situation like this all of them are in the wrong and none of them should have a chance in the scene ever again realistically, I don't care about any of these individuals but I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible whereas most people will just chose to hate more on flor than all of them because she's trans and because she's the spearhead of gc

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yes i can agree all of them are terrible & trash

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🤝

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I don’t really know who to believe tbh but from the screenshots it seems like flor only thought of brick for sex and brick was thinking they were something more. Idk how Brick is gonna prove she was SAed or flor is gonna prove she’s innocent, it’s literally just a he said, she said situation. The only thing that seems 100% certain though is that flor has a manipulative personality since her own teammates came out against her which makes me uneasy in trusting anything she says, so she needs 100% over-the-top conclusive evidence in making people actually believe her.

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" Things that should be brought to light

This is an old tweet from a private account I used from the ages 13 to early 15. Sexual assault and any vulgar or objectifying comments are not a joke to be taken lightly. I am truly sorry for my immature behaviour, and would like to state that I do not advocate nor condone these kinds of comments or behaviour that I previously exhibited; and that this is not the person I have grown up to be."

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This is the classic “I was just a dumb edgy kid hahaha” excuse. Sorry, but no being 13 to 15 doesn’t magically explain or excuse saying something like “rape should be legal.” If you can seriously find a sane teenager who genuinely believes that, then I’ve got two things to do: first, sell you a flying donkey, and second, immediately call the cops on that kid. Because that’s not edgy that’s disturbing.

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this i agree with and is clearly the main argument. But also claiming her entire thing as manipulating and deception seems disingenuous, she did provide receipts of both the stalking and proof of no implicitly denied consent, which leaves it in a murky situation if we will never be able to know the nature of the SA because it was long ago and both were minors. Flor and Brick and Karie need help and none should be competing, but the investigation is still ongoing.

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But also claiming her entire thing as manipulating and deception seems disingenuous

Does that statement honestly feel genuine to you? Because to me, it doesn’t at all. It just feels like a lot of blame-shifting and dodging responsibility. And I’m saying all this not just based on what I think, but because of what I know about her and how she usually operates behind the scenes.

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none of their statements seem genuine, so i am going only on the basis of the messages and digital evidence both provided in their own documents. I don’t believe flor is changed, and truly she needs help and should not compete, but there has also been clear other parties involved that deserve the same scrutiny. And you operating under other pretenses without presenting them makes things difficult. Obviously, if you have more damning info than other people and that proves your point then ofc it’ll be more believable, but just saying you have evidence is not the same as providing it.

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Wait, hold up, you’re that fan who kept calling me deluded all those times and said Flor makes people like me angry, right? Well, it’s been three months now, and I’m not trying to rub it in or anything, but I got to ask how does it feel knowing I was right all along? And here you are, still blindly supporting her despite everything. Just curious what you think about that now.

https://www.vlr.gg/post/4478115/flor-fans-can-you-dm-me

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i mean obviously i was incorrect because of evidence that was then provided, i wasn’t going to just blatantly agree with someone without evidence. That doesn’t mean that I can’t reflect and alter my opinion, and I still stand by Brick first and foremost. At the time a vast majority of hatred towards flor was because of her identity which was difficult to parse from legitimate criticism of her character. And there is still no evidence from you on the matter only cryptic mentions. I believe Brick, not you. And I will trust the documents florescent provided over an anonymous VLR user any day of the week.

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Fair

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poggers get em! w

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youre making this situation personal to you which really takes away from the entire point which is to believe the victim here. ofc ppl wouldnt wanna believe you in the original thread because nobody knew you and you said outlandish stuff with no evidence of it.

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yeah bro is somehow making someone’s fucking rape accusation about “I WAS RIGHT SHE IS A BITCH” to get internet brownie points on a valorant forum.

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Ok but people dont care about that. the main point is r**e and sa which is insane accusations and pretty much based off everything i read everything was consensual

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Fair enough, but my main point really covers everything. Like I said in my other post, in Flor’s mind, she probably thinks everything was consensual but just because she thinks that doesn’t make it true. Consent means both people agree, and if Flor’s the only one saying it’s okay, that’s not how consent works at all. It takes two.

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Ok so ur telling me based of these screenshots she didnt want to

https://imgur.com/a/morning-of-jan-3rd-QZ8ZG89
https://imgur.com/a/uber-after-jan3-HVHSmjD

which is the day the rae and sa happend + if she felt like she was raed / sa'd why would she still want to get back with flor / stalk her

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yeah I still think flor should be criticized for that. At absolute best it was an "edgy joke" and I think at 15 you're 100% old enough to know why it's not appropriate to joke about. Most actual children understand that.

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It is crazy how quick some ppl have been to go back to defending flor just bc she said "nah I didn't do that". People just chomping at the bit to say everything was false so that they can go back to supporting their fav player

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bro was warning us all this time, he got -32 downvotes for telling the truth

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they hated him, for he told the truth

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It’s honestly the Flor fans, man. The way she manipulates people and how she’s always backed by those who want her to be right no matter what. And even now, you can see it happening again with this statement. People are still defending her and ignoring all the obvious red flags just because they don’t want to believe the truth.

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Noone from the outside could have known this be fr. In the midst of a wave of transphobia being slung at her we should have trusted some rando trying to tear her down? Like her specifically. Conveniently the person who already has a massive target on her back.

It turns out you were right. Doesnt make us any less right for not believing you back then. Now we have multiple credible witnesses involved.

The people defending her are the anti sexual assault allegations crowd. They want to kill the idea of victims speaking out in general. You can see some sinatra defenders confused as to what the right play is here. Hate the trans or discredit allegations? Hmmm

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exactly. acting with information and withholding that to have a “gotcha moment” is fucking moronic and he’s acting like he’s the messiah now.

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I agree with you and I’m sorry, but with the information I have, I really do have to hold back for now. There are reasons why I’m not ready to share everything, and that’s all I can say about it at the moment.

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okay but there it is again, i understand legally not being able to openly disclose everything, but if you expect anyone to believe you have to provide evidence. this is just hearsay atp.

so instead of creating a thread to say i was right, you should be working on compiling evidence and proving your case. I want to believe you, i really do. but it’s just the nature of evidence

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well because to any other casual watcher they didnt know ab the things that have happened previous to these allegations so to you it may seem simple because you are already in on it and you may think its crazy fans, but to others you just looked no different to a typical hater of flor for whatever reason, because she had huge backlash for every action she took. ppl still defending her now are the issue absolutely.

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they hated him for telling the truth