Is Leo really a goat?

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Amygdala30

In his first stint with Guild he has Trexx and sayf, two superstars. Then he joins a super team with fnatic, then takes a year long break after 1 year? How can we call someone a goat if he doesn’t even play the game?

https://www.vlr.gg/112611/og-ldn-utd-vs-guild-esports-champions-tour-emea-last-chance-qualifier-lr2
Barely positive in a do or die match to make champions

Not the best player on the lock in trophy.
https://www.vlr.gg/167393/loud-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-gf

3rd best player for Tokyo
https://www.vlr.gg/220448/fnatic-vs-evil-geniuses-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-g

He has never been the best player on his team and now crashies is about to lead fnatic to another international over Leo??

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SENfns

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no fns clears by a mile

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Amygdala30

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I wouldn’t say that? Leo is a top 10 all time but I do not believe he is a “goat”

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fns is a top 5 all time. there's levels to this game.

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Amygdala30

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Fns goes double negative every game? Maybe top 5 igl all time but he’s nowhere near the list of best players.

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SENfns

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you couldn't have said it any better.

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precisetea

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he’s not top 5 but definitely top 20

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NRGSUPERFAN

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baits baits baits baits baits

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Amygdala30

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“Bait”
Because you disagree with me. Try debating for a change.

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sentinelmain377

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I dont agree with your take, but I agree with this. I like to see actual arguments presented

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TheOnion

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NT

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shzuo

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I'm taking the popcorn

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H3ENnZ

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make my message the last message on this thread, more messages + more clout and more people he ragebaited

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Amygdala30

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I don’t need clout on this forum I’m here to discuss with people and have conversations. If you can’t do that then why come at me?

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H3ENnZ

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three of these already man get creative

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Amygdala30

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Three of what?

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mszzz

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1/8 need more creativity

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Amygdala30

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What does that mean?

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mszzz

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whos gonna tell him? not me

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Pikachu_Gay

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He knows, just playing dumb

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Marii

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I’ve been saying this, superteam merchant and left when things got hard

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Marii

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Wait im agreeing with amygdala which probably means im wrong FUCK

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Amygdala30

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He has a had a super team every year he’s been relevant and somehow he gets the credit for it? The community makes no sense sometimes.

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catNmouse

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he is mainly what made fnatic a superteam

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Amygdala30

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Are you sure it wasn’t the top 3 igl oat boaster

Or the top 2 oat duelist

Or top 10 player oat chronicle

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catNmouse

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Boaster and derke were known as chokers before leo and chronicle joined

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Jackerlus

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Derke wasn't part of the choking though, he was consistently putting up strong performances even in losses. He was still a top 5 player in EMEA before they went on their 2023 streak.

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foythvlr

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In his first stint with Guild he has Trexx and sayf, two superstars

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TheOnion

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Sayf and super star in the same sentence

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foythvlr

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leo was better than both of them combined

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TheOnion

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All he needs to do to learn Leo’s value is watch the commend video

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sentinelmain377

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dont forget Sayf 2021-2024 just cuz he is kinda shit now LMAO. peopl actually have so much recency bias man

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foythvlr

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sayf was good. reliable and solid duelist/overall player. was he a superstar? highly doubt it

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sentinelmain377

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HE WAS. I WITNESSED IT. EVERYONE DID. everyone that watched EMEA (even the NA fans on this site like babysasuke, sheahhhh) all considered him the best player in EMEA from 2021-2024.

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foythvlr

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superstars are global, not regional. derke is a superstar. nats is a superstar. hell even boaster is a superstar. sayf? could be there eventually with his potential, but isnt really on the same tier

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iplayval

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damn molsi was cooking

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michaelisupset

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NURSE HES AWAKE

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Loud_Neymar

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This account is already the worst user on VLR

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Amygdala30

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https://www.vlr.gg/248280/drx-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr2/?game=137650&tab=overview

https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3/?game=137656&tab=overview

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michaelisupset

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it’s actually funny how much effort you put into this. one stinker map but he was the highest rated in both series

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Amygdala30

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I’ve shown multiple examples, you singled out one of mine.

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Marii

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Cooked by caunzin

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catNmouse

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+23 after map 1 where the entire team got smashed 13-1 by drx

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Amygdala30

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But he also went silent in the Loud game after that.

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catNmouse

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+14 after map 1 vs LOUD

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Amygdala30

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Still lost the series

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TheOnion

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“Still lost the series” have you not got something more constructed ?

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Wolfed

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bro you have to be kidding me. you want a debate? you got one. first of all, he was crucial on the guild. second, he was the best player on the dominant fnc. third, he is the player to come closest to perfect valorant. fourth, i said hes the goat so he is.
i hope you learned something idoit

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michaelisupset

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oh no someone fell for it

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Wolfed

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Because you disagree with me. Try debating for a change.

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michaelisupset

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wait did I fall for it

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Wolfed

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:( sorry bro

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michaelisupset

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worst day ever 💔💔💔💔💔🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀

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Alint

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he meant u fell for amy's rage bait lol

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SENfns

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all of this with 0 proof and 0 explanation
thats not a debate

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Amygdala30

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He might have been crucial on the guild but guild had 2 other stars and their best performance was 8th place? He clearly doesn’t play perfect or he wouldnt be carried I every grand final.

https://www.vlr.gg/248280/drx-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr2/?game=137650&tab=overview

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TheOnion

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There’s a reason coaches and analysts call him near perfect, and not a Vlr user.

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Amygdala30

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Coaches call someone who gets carried every grand final, misses a year of play time, and doesn’t show up in big matches a perfect player?

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TheOnion

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Yup, Mini still to this day says it . You have no proof besides some bad maps so you just mention how he’s been forced into temporary retirement which somehow makes him not in goat status ?

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Wolfed

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everyone that ever played with leo has publicly said how good he was. try watching the interview with mini. plus its a team game, you cant win just with 1 perfect player and 1 boaster on your team...

https://www.vlr.gg/485372/titan-esports-club-vs-bilibili-gaming-china-evolution-series-act-2-x-asian-champions-league-ro12

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Amygdala30

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Everyone that has played with fns has also said he’s a good player. But yet he just retired because he can’t keep up. Sometimes pros are wrong and he have to accept that.

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Wolfed

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ok so you just start insulting pro players as soon as you start losing? just so you know, my pros are never wrong and he just have to accept that.

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Amygdala30

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I didn’t insult anyone? Why are you assuming that. I don’t care about baseless assumptions. Say something of relevance or I’m done here.

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Wolfed

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and now youre straight up insulting me for "making assumptions"? pretty low for the person that wanted a serious debate. say something of relevance, or i'm done here.

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get a job bro🥀

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Amygdala30

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You know it takes 30 seconds to post right?

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AltonBu02

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it takes 0 to not rage bait 🥀

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Amygdala30

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Takes 0 to not reply

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AltonBu02

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takes 0

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Idoit

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0/8, after your explosive start onto the scene with the mako thread i am honeslty dissapointed with this performance. that is not to say that i dont believe that you can and will do better and im looking forward to what the future holds for you

#54

Amygdala30

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If your saying it’s bad bait (which it’s not bait) you would be wrong because it’s doing very well right now and I’m getting discussion.

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Tempest24

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Even the last airbender movie made alot of money but doesn't mean it's good

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Amygdala30

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Well the movie was made to get money though right?

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Tempest24

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No quality. Made to make engagements (money)

Like your bait

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Amygdala30

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Why are you comparing a movie to a thread I made? There a flaw in this so it doesn’t even make sense.

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metaphor gng...

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Amygdala30

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Also this was my first serious thread not the mako one https://www.vlr.gg/484448/trent-isn-t-a-tejo-merchant

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Tempest24

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have u ever had a good bait?

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Amygdala30

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No? Because I don’t bait? I’m here for conversation and differences of opinions, that’s all.

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Tempest24

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0/8

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Yuniee44

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no this guy might be the worst baiter

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Amygdala30

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I’m happy to be the worst because it’s not bait

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Bleepbloop

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I am Leo's biggest fan, but you guys talk about him more now than when he was actually playing. so funny

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Amygdala30

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Because his return has been anticipated for an entire year?

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Still doesn't explain why more people are excited about him now than when he was actually playing. Standard irrational online behavior

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He is a fraud.

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Amygdala30

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Upvoted!

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Wolfed

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Upvoted!

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Azzelastia

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Thanks! Glad to find more intellectual users like myself!

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mid bait, didnt hit like the trent one

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Amygdala30

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Sorry I didnt make something as controversial I guess… just means this opinion is agreed with more.

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shai0

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who are you

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Amygdala30

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What do you want me to answer with? Idk?

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whats ur opinions on prx

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Conceit

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Ah you're back. I mean surely you could've tried harder with this bait, but I guess this is the quality I expect from you. Hope you take another break man 👍

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Amygdala30

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I don’t remember who you are but I I don’t think I need another break, I think I’m only gonna be posting during games though so I don’t waste extra time.

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Aayan

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this guy is actually on a generational bait run

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baiters gon bait

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precisetea

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the fact that leo was on all of these teams that were good and you look at sayf who’s having a hard time proves that Leo was what made these teams good

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actual moronic ragebait written by someone who wouldnt know ball if they stood in front of a pitching machine

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Mirage27

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Look all i'm saying is without Leo, Fnatic never win either of their 2 international trophies.

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Amygdala30

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You can say that about any of their players though?

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nclhrq

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have u ever heard of my boy ASPAS and that every team that he enters instantly become good?

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He is the GOAT.

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Amygdala30

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Hasn’t played in a year how can he be a goat

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Amygdala...

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He is a human no?

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hes a fucking human