kc should be 0-0

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kingofskibidi

The way the situation was handled with the recent map result is an injustice. Both TL and KC faced game-breaking issues like disconnections (DCs), freezes, and other technical problems during the match. However, the way these issues were addressed was completely inconsistent, and this has led to an unfair outcome.

Despite both teams encountering similar problems, only KC’s rounds were rolled back, while TL’s rounds, which also suffered from these disruptions, were counted. This creates a clear imbalance. If the conditions were truly the same for both teams, the only fair solution would have been to replay the entire map from the beginning, ensuring both teams had an equal chance to compete without the interference of technical issues.

The decision to only roll back rounds for one team while letting the other team's rounds stand is blatantly unfair. Both teams faced the same disruptions, so why should one team get the advantage of a reset while the other doesn’t? It creates an unequal playing field, which undermines the integrity of the competition.

The only reasonable course of action here would have been to run back the map entirely. Given that both teams were impacted by similar technical issues, starting the map over would have ensured a fair, level playing field for both sides. Anything less than that compromises the fairness of the competition.

In conclusion, the decision to count the map result as final, while inconsistently rolling back rounds, is a clear injustice. To maintain fairness, the map should have been replayed entirely, ensuring both teams were given a fair chance to compete under the same conditions.

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nah

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https://www.vlr.gg/475903/100-thieves-vs-nrg-esports-champions-tour-2025-americas-stage-1-lr1

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OWN

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stfu

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TL and KC had the same disadvantages and TL won. Lets take the L and focus on the next two maps

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no they didnt, tl got to roll back rounds they lost while kc didnt

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did you see the raze got disconnected and got killed for that? Why wont they roll that round back?

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because damage was already done?

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not really. we can always roll back the round if any team unfairly won because of dc'ing.

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why dont they roll back the rounds kc disconnected (which were also in more defining clutch scenarios)

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redesign

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which round?

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https://x.com/ENGHHHHHH/status/1915866584863936539
"What happened today should serve as a lesson, and hopefully lead to major rule changes. In round 3, suygetsu’s PC started lagging during a clutch, which heavily impacted the 1v1 situation. In round 5, during our B split, we LITERALLY HAD FREEZES in-game for 1–2 seconds, players were teleporting. In a 3v2 situation in the same round, we were experiencing problems that directly affected the round’s outcome."
from the man himself

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Surely suygetsu's pc was lagging and he didn't got swinged on by kamo lmaooo. They all faced these issues. Are we comparing this with the actual dc now?

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Anguibok

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What ? I dont remember KC round being roll back in this BO, (It happened in another series, but not in this one) no ?

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they should play from 12-7 on split and have a new map veto for getting 2 maps from the 6 remaining maps

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nearly impossible for KC to win 5 rounds in a row when liquid have a week to prepare their best map, would just be massive waste of time. Id rather it be 0-0 in maps than 12-7 on split

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TL will win anyways brother, stop crying

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You know this is an argument for the 0-0 right ?

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i dont like the argument "TL played under the same circumstances therefore its fair" ignoring the fact that the game was unplayable for both teams and should've been cancelled before the map ended

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redesign

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Sure. But now that the map had a winner don't you think it is double unfair if we don't give them the win?

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No, that isnt how competitive integrity works, imagine if the game freezed and they decided the winner by playing football, it doesn't have bearing on who is the best at valorant, in the same way the competitive circuit is designed to decide the best team at high or atleast medium performance valorant, it doesnt matter if tl happened to be better at lag riddled val, it isn't what the esport is meant to decide. And that is removing the fact that teams were treated unfairly- tl got rollbacks and kc did not despite them both having game breaking lags.

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Javvi

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do you think you would have the same opinion if KC won split

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redesign

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we all know the answer to that kek

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you just want another chance for map 1 atp.

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I want a fair chance at map 1 yes

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It may feel unfair for TL but i think they should restart it. Game was unplayable which means whatever results comes of it shouldnt count.

KC had freezes in clutch situations and mid rounds resulting in them not being able to re roll the rounds since they've already taken damage. same goes for TL. the most fair option would just be restarting the map

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No TL won. If it was so unplayable why did kc kept playing it. Both had the SAME disadvantages. KC fans are only crying because they lost the game. They want another unfair shot for map 1.

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"why did KC keep playing it" is a horrible argument seeing as they dont choose when to cancel matches. If KC had won the map over TL i would still hold the same opinion.

If you recognize that the game is unplayable for both teams resulting in a result that doesnt prove who was better, why are you so against the map being replayed? if you hold the opinion that the game was unplayable then you shouldnt be against the idea of having a map played without issues.

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Womp womp. TL won the 1st map. Nothing is changing that unfortunately :(

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it wont change but hopefully it will result in rule changes so situations like this doesnt happen since it could've been avoided from the start

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it should’ve been cancelled at 5-0 and not when liquid won the map, no one’s fault but riots

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Bro's here acting like KC ever had a chance of winning Split in the first place.

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kingofskibidi

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if we dont have a chance why not roll back the map

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Because it's a waste of time. If you really supported your team you wouldn't care because you'd believe they can win the 2 remaining maps anyway.

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kingofskibidi

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When did I say that I didn't believe we could win the series, I just dont want to lose a series to an unfair map.

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Wasn't an unfair map though. Both teams experienced the same conditions. They continued to play out the map and KC lost.

Personally I don't think the map should've continued but here we are.

What was there to stop the players refusing to play in those conditions? Surely both teams could've refused to play until the issues were resolved

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If both teams had issues, which I think they did, 0-0 doesn't make sense.

But the veto for next 2 should be done and KC given advantage maybe?

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KClaw

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Why advantage to KC?

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AZDZ

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the first map was TL's pick. so if you dont do a veto again for the remaining maps, TL can just anti and win KC's pick. Its unfair.
Now why advantage should be given to KC in the pick? same reason, TL already played their pick.

So you allow KC to pick any one map out of the other 6 (including the ones TL and KC banned in the previous veto). Then allow teams to veto 2 maps each to get Map 3.

because even though I agree 1-0 should be done if PCs from both sides had issues. It is unfair to KC too. There is no fair solution to the issue.

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the veto is being done again, KC get to pick map 2 and ban for map 3 same as always

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Good idea by Riot

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AZDZ

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do they get to pick from any of the banned maps (like the two maps that were already first bans of TL and KC?).

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the entire map veto is reset (except liquid pick for split). so KC and liquid can choose to ban other first maps if they want to, and in response kc/tl can repick/ban the maps in accordance

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AZDZ

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oh, that is good. Me personally wouldve allowed KC to pick first before the bans and then TL ban, KC ban, TL ban, KC ban.
like giving a slight advantage to KC because we did 1-0 (which is the reasonable thing, yet unfair. )

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pretty cool idea honestly and could avoid liquid banning icebox (KC's map pick)

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AZDZ

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oh I didnt even think of that hehe.
but I dont think KC will pick icebox because TL could have the opportunity to anti. or maybe they think TL will think they wont pick icebox so they pick icebox?

or they think TL think they think TL think they think TL think....

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whole lotta mess but I think Liquid will do the usual of ban pearl and go from there

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redoing is just more unfair. TL’s map pick makes no sense why they would the “advantage” anymore a week after the match if they were forced to replay it

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Vlr is fucking dumb, u all are fucking dumb to believe that it's injustice , the round rolled back because TL faced some issues and tho during the entire game both teams faced problems it's obvious kc never faced anything that lost them a round cause they never called a timeout to roll back the round and If they did but riot refused to do it's obvious the players would have tweeted about it by now

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i do agree all in all TL wins that match in ever possible universe but that being said the roll back rule is stupid which is the main part of enghh's tweet along with other issues rule says that if u take dmg the round counts doesn't matter if u start dc'ing for 2-3s in the middle of a b split or lagging in 1v1 both us know kamo wins that but suy deserves a fair chance to get tapped they deserve to play and lose knowing that the 6 hours of tech pauses wasn't the reason the lost

players could lose there vct status if they make this absolute shit storm worse and orgs will probably get punished too stop being SO biased this isn't stupid the correct decision is to roll it back(with TL round advatage) the better PR decision is to pick a side and stay quiet and the only way to make it fair is to have a time machine

horrid situation with nothing to about it i don't get why u are this mad TL have the ruling in there favor its a done deal people get to complain about and say how its wrong cause IT IS cause like or not it is injustice game should have been cancelled 100%

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I am open to say it's debatable that the game should start 0-0 or not but I won't say it's the right thing to start 0-0 since a lot of preparation and anti goes into a game, it's a bad situation, but tbh kc has always in 2025 not picked split at all ( sometimes banning it first and other times floating it and letting others ban it but there have been times where they could have picked it as thrid map but they didn't meaning they aren't confident enough) and liquid is like currently top 3 in the world on split so theres that , kc would have prolly not won it all , I know the flaw in my argument saying it should be 1-0 is ur points as u presented mid round lags and dc, but in ur argument as well there's a flaw where if u begin 0-0 now kc know exactly that they won't beat them on split ( maybe they were confident before due to scrims) and so they would ban it and not float it

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the whole situation is a lose-lose. there is no right answer and the best situation isnt going to be 100% fair

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What you dont realize is that either way around someone is at a disadvantage. You simply only care about the disadvantage that affects your team. Fact is, Liquid clearly looked better on Split. Its extremely unlikely KC win the map even without tech issues. Its the most reasonable decision to make here.

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exactly. considering 13-6 score and assuming the issues affected both teams, 1-0 is the less unfair option. But it sucks we reached this point in the first place. There is always the question of what if KC wouldve actually won the map. Or if they do 0-0 and KC win series, the other way around.

Like Sliggy said its lose-lose atp.

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it was the map that liquid picked also its 13-6 not like 13-11

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KC then get to completely anti how liquid play on their map pick while liquid cant anti what KC do on theirs.

seems a little outrageous considering the match wasnt even close at least imo it should be 1-0.

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KC flair all I need to see

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I would agree apart from the fact kc got stomped on like it wasn’t even a close game.

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Vk jhow alt spotted