Yes, 1 point for each match win and earnt bye (so top teams in each group will get +1)
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Yes, 1 point for each match win and earnt bye (so top teams in each group will get +1)
when the fuck did i say they were burnt out? reading comprehension stats really maxxed out there SAMP
That is true tbf, they still won against teams lacking competent igls and coaches. I never said they were burnt out just that they played so many maps that competent igls and coaches were able to antistart them rly easily
There is also a world where one of NRG or C9 get a win but SEN leapfrog G2 (they need G2 to lose and to make up a +25 round difference) and C9/NRG
Well mathematically, they are still in it.
NRG and C9 both need to lose their last two games in order to go 3-3. Preferably NRG goes 0-4 to put map difference at +0. C9 at best losing last two games can go 8-9 in map difference. In that case if SEN wins against FURIA 2-0, they go through. If NRG win 2 maps in their last two games, they go through with a +2 map difference. If they win 1 map it will come down to round difference. At best NRG will have a +31 map difference (13-0, 13-11 x4) on which case SEN can only drop 4 rounds against FURIA.
SEN can go through using the 2-win rule, for that to happen, LOUD and EG need to win giving both G2 and NRG wins. They go 4-1 and 4-2 with those wins. SEN wins against FURIA with C9 going 0-2 in their last two matches.
Why the fuck I just did that. Idk? A bit complicated? Yes.
You cant compare a hero shooter with cs2, the amount of practice and time they put into vod reviews and scrims are gonna be way more, compare this to overwatch instead buddy
Lotus recently had been looking HORRIBLE for sen, starting 9-3 and 10-2 down is no way to go for world champs, its atp where teams have enough footage on their lotus, they can really easily counterstrat it.
First event of the year was kickoff? The every masters event barring 2023 would then also be fake. What are you going at
It goes without saying this teams potential is still top 5 in the world, but to have played 13 matches going into stage 1 while teams like eg, lev and other americas powerhouses played 2-3 matches with a month to practice. It was over from the start. Falloff? Yes. But sens downfall might be overstated.
Stage 1 dreams? Shanghai? 2-peat? Over.
They are in a good spot for stage 2 and points. Give them a chance to recuperate. They’ll be fine. (But srsly you cant be throwing 10-2 leads come on)
Respectfully, it really didnt. First off, it was a single-elim. Look at the majority of masters and champs events, most of them including the previous two masters and champions had winners from the lower bracket. Get a lucky first few matchups and you’re on your way to the final. Second off, it was the first event of the year, these rosters are not gonna be close to the quality of teams after a full split / year
In what world are we living in where mibr havent been 2-0ed by SEN
Masters level ≠ masters event, they are clearly saying the prestige and coverage would be masters equivalent, lock in had no similarity to masters in branding either
very early preds for shanghai, we just know none of these 12 teams are gonna end up qualifying - assuming masters format is retained from 2022 and 2023
also extremely biased
Qualification
Americas
1st: LOUD
2nd: SEN
3rd: EG
EMEA
1st: FNC
2nd: TH
3rd: VIT
Pacific
1st: T1
2nd: PRX
3rd: Gen.G
China
1st: EDG
2nd: JDG
3rd: FPX
Masters
11th / 12th: FPX - VIT
9th / 10th: EG - TH
7th - 8th: EDG - JDG
5th - 6th: T1 - PRX
4th: LOUD
3rd: Gen.G
2nd: FNC
1st: SEN
whoever this skibidyesyes guy is so delusional and same with everyone else who is complaining about this formatr. is this format perfect? not even close. does it work, yes. yes it does. All the best teams qualified from their regions and saying otherwise is delusion. Everyone knew the format weeks before the events so even using it as an excuse is copium. The teams should have just preformed if they wanted to qualify, they didn't so they loss. It's simple, it's common sense.
who brought g2 into this conversation
omg its time for VCT 2024!! everything that can go wrong, will go wrong
NRG 2 - 0 FURIA | 13-8 13-8
C9 2 - 0 MIBR | 13-5 13 - 10
SEN 2 - 1 LOUD | 13 - 10 9 - 13 13 - 7
LEV 2 - 0 100T | 15 - 13 13 - 6
G2 2 - 0 KRU | 13 - 5 13 - 9
bracket
most takes are what you would expect rly, not expecting too many upsets
Group A
T1 2 - 1 BLEED
ZETA 2 - 0 GE
BLEED 2 - 0 GE
T1 2 - 0 ZETA
BLEED 2 - 1 ZETA
Group B
DRX 2 - 0 DFM
TS 2 - 1 TALON
TALON 2 - 0 DFM
DRX 2 - 1 TS
TS 2 - 0 DFM
Group C
GEN.G 2 - 0 RRQ
PRX 2 - 0 GEN.G
GEN.G 2 - 1 RRQ
do you know how the format works?
also eg just disappeared cause that makes sense
nobody need or wants to play 3 bo3s a day. Take into consideration that all matches go to 3 maps. you're playing 9 maps a day, most of which extend to an hour and you're playing for 7-9 hours a day. Take into consideration breaks between maps and broadcast, that's 12 hours that you're in the studio... just playing.
why is that even a sensible suggestion in any sense
Riot has announced that this year is the "start of our normal format". People are forgetting that the 4 leagues will expand to 14 teams by 2026 (or smth) That means a minimum of 15 matches by 2026. Which in my opinion is a good amount of matches. Remembering that if both splits had full round robins that by 2026, teams would be playing 26 matches across both splits. Followed by 5-15 more matches across both masters and 5-10 matches in champions. The amount of matches the top teams would be playing would be INSANE, and even the matches for weaker teams would be INSANE.
Teams like EG and FNC were already complaining about burnout towards the tailend of the season, just imagine all 56 teams playing a minimum of 30 matches. At that point, it'll be TOO MUCH VALORANT.
I'm not gonna sit here and say the format in itself is good or that it makes sense, since there are overbearing issues. But in essence, it would be impossible to fit what everyone wants into a schedule. The only possible solution to please everyone would be a singular split where everyone plays 13 matches with a bracket styled event (like kickoff) before or after and LCQ.
The off-season will also be shortened because VCT China caused a huge setback, they needed time for ascension and time for all the logistical nightmares this kind of thing brings to the staff. Expecting a start in early January would literally be impossible.
Now, if they mess it up next year with a solid 12 teams and a longer calendar, we would be have problems. But I think once the season kicks off and we get deeper and deeper into the VCT partnered system, everything would be sorted out.
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TL:DR; me getting mad at riot, feel free to click off
Leo Faria and the whole VCT team has dropped the ball. They changed things that nobody complained about, and made things that people were complaining about... worse. Nothing good comes from this format.
Kickoff
Sliggy mentioned a Bo1 single round robin format, with top 4 qualifying to a double elimination playoffs. In essence this would be so much better than the format they went with. It rewards teams being consistently good throughout their 10 matches instead of being able to win two matches and go through. cough evil geniuses cough
Single elimination in the playoffs is a disaster, it's 1-2 more days to add a lower bracket and actually allows you to "have the best teams play at international events", a statement which Leo backed up himself. Say you get Group As winner face Group Bs winner, being FNC and NAVI or LEV and SEN, only one of these teams (which many regard as the top 2 teams in their region) will go to Madrid, and although your second team won't be bad in any sense, it goes against your whole philosophy of having the best teams qualify.
International Splits
Firstly, my rant. This has to be the worst decision ever made. Many people have said it and I'm going to say it again. 5 matches a split is NOT enough. You could be a mediocre team like FURIA, luck out in one split with KRU, MIBR and EG being 3/5 of your matches. You go 3-2 and qualify to playoffs. Then a lucky draw, and a win can be enough to see you through to masters shanghai or FUCKING CHAMPIONS IN ITSELF. If you're a team which knows you won't have enough to be good throughout the year, you PRAY you get a good draw in the stage 2 split, prepare all year for that and get top 3. It makes no sense.
To make sense of all of this, teams at minimum are playing twelve matches a year. That's a match a month. To be fair, it'll be over 6 months - totalling to two matches a month but that is not enough for a partnered team. Premier league teams are playing 38 matches over a 8-10 month season. NBA teams are playing 82 games in roughly half a year. Both of these examples are much more intense on the teams, factoring in training, travel time and recovery.
VCT teams have it MUCH BETTER or you could say MUCH WORSE. How is this even bringing in any profit?
Championship Points
.... are in essence STUPID. NOBODY, I repeat... NOBODY has any problems with the previous points system from pre franchising. They couldn't have it last year (or there was just no point) due to there being 1 split only, and that is fair. But this year we have 3 regional events, there was no need to change the system in any way.
1 point for every league win..... that's good. That's not a bad idea.
3 Points for the league winner..... sure BUT nobody else get's ANY additional points?
A team qualifying 2-3 and a team qualifying 5-0 could end up getting the same amount of points because one team placed first and the other places second. You would argue, the 5-0 team is much better but just because the 2-3 team places one spot higher, they tie on points with the 5-0 team getting nothing.
Only the WINNERS of masters get any points? There is in all essence NO point of going to any masters events besides exposure and prize pool money. You could, as I said before, grind it out for stage 2 and qualify directly by finishing third.
Proposal
Give us 2 international splits. We do not care for these special and whacky events. Just have each team play a minimum of 20 matches a year (2025 22 matches) Obviously you want to have every match at a different time, and having weeklong matchweeks can't have that happen, just take the premier league they often have more than one match happening. But it's half the matches in roughly the same time. You can sort it out. Quite frankly who cares if we have SEN vs NRG and MIBR vs KRU happening at the same time, we all know nobody is watching battle of the mids either way, we're all tuning in to MIBR vs KRU.
2 international splits, 2 masters, LCQ, champions.
A sensical circuit points system
With a functioning off-season
is that really that hard
TL;DR: Riot employees are not competent or I am the yapper of the year
The employees at riot thought it would be a good idea to have a season start in the middle of February, and end in mid September which is 7-8 months. Then state that they couldn't and just will not fit more matches into an international split. I've seen better proposals from VLR users and VLR users are known for being stupid.
In the format that they have cooked up, each team plays 5 matches a split against half the partnered teams. You could have a team like KRU get lucky in 1 split, make their way to Masters but crash out of the second split because they actually faced competent teams. In a normal single round robin format, they would not qualify and let actual teams into international LANs.
"oh but burnout is a problem", yes. Yes it is. 1 match a week for 5 weeks a split is not burnout. In all essence, 1 international split with a single or even double round robin like some LoL circuits would be better then whatever this is and have a bracket styled / smaller split before or after.
The employees working on VCT and the whole esports scene in general needs to get their act together before everything falls apart.
All you need to do is give the season 2 more months, and you can have a competent circuit. Still a 3 month off-season and still time to play favourites to league.
Oh and guess what, Riot can get more money from sponsors over a longer season. Win-Win for everyone.
TL;DR The problem with this is that Riot will almost never have a consistent week-long matchweek.
The problem is that scheduling doesn't work out between all four VCT leagues, challengers and game changers. They clearly earn the most money from tier 1 but they definitely also care about the revenue and exposure tier 2 brings into VCT. Unless they re-prioritise, teams will be sticking to 1 match a week imo.
With the single round robin format with all 11 teams, a minimum of 5 matches need to be played a week, in a minimum of 2 days (3-2) or 3 days (2-2-1).
Take the 2 day format, Americas will be on the same day as China, just different timeslots. EMEA will be over the weekdays and Pacific overlaps both EMEA and America just on a different timeslot. Then take in challengers for every region and game changers which is growing more and more and you have a huge scheduling conflict.
They made top 3 teams from stage 2 get champions qualification and left 1 slot for circuit points, although there is nothing wrong with a stage 2 direct invite it should have been reserved for the winners or top 2 and should instead reward the top consistent teams while also rewarding stand out performances later in the year
What do yall think
since they released tickets (https://www.ticketmaster.es/artist/valorant-champions-tour-entradas/1238204), I think we now have a good idea on how it's gonna play out.
5 day swiss stage followed by 4 team double elimination bracket
I assume for the swiss stage, it'll be each team playing 2 seeded matches. Two 2-0 teams qualify for playoffs, two 0-2 teams are eliminated. 4 1-1 teams each play another game, winners go through, losers are eliminated. This means 10 matches are played, 2 matches a day.
Playoffs are straight forward as described in the tickets.
Format is like champions group stage but with an extra grand final.
Day 6 - upper bracket semis
Day 7 - upper bracket final + lower bracket elimination
day 8 - lower final
day 9 - grand final
EDG is literally a chinese organisation, it's not a surprise that they are using websites like weibo... after all most of their fanbase would be in China.
The majority of citizens in asia and especially china arent using twitter
I highly doubt they will be dropping pancada from the main roster, after all he has performed well for the majority of the off season and even after 1 year - he will likely be a top controller player. although I do see them playing and testing zellsis on a few roles and maps, I doubt pancada is out of sentinels long-term plan
he is probably having personal / medical issues or catching up with friends and family in brazil
Around 1/4 of the teams in challengers in NA, SA, EMEA and APAC are already leaving the scene. If this continues by 2026 the tier 2 scene will be nothing but the ascended teams at the end of their stint in franchising. right now its just the format that kinda sucks, if riot brings back the format from 2021 and 2022 that spans the entire year then maybe teams will be interested
hopefully we get these 4 teams:
if we get 8 teams:
QUALIFIED TEAMS
PRX
SEN
EDG
FNC
TH
RRQ
DRX
LOUD
TOP FOUR
1st: PRX MASTERCLASS
2nd: LOUD ARE STILL GOOD AFTER 3 WHOLE YEARS
3rd: SEN PROVE THE HATERS WRONG
4th: FNC FUCK UP AT THE END ONCE AGAIN
Both years these teams looked like "superteams on paper", and it's safe to say that they didn't live up to that expectation - but this year there are a few key differences
what do yall think
he was one of the best duelists in challengers all year, makes sense for mid-level team to poach himhttps://twitter.com/jasonsusantoo/status/1701155196871778636
forsaken duos with monyet on stream, obviously could be bait from the two but with everything announced it's prob the final confirmation you need
EG will no doubt be the best NA team next year, unless something stupid happens
The rest of NA will be fighting for second place, will probably be either SEN or NRG with their rumoured changes but C9 also looks good
If 100T build around Cryo and / or Asuna with competent players who can play with each other than they might have a chance to do something other than be remembered for losing 2-1 to MIBR allowing EG to win champions
johnqt is way better than your average T2 igl.
bringing him in allows zekken on duelist, sacy on initator, pancada back on controller, tenz probably plays a duellist / initiator flex role while johnqt is on the KJ, if you look up his KJ stats they arent bad at all. while he also has experience on breach
johnqt is way better than your average T2 igl.
bringing him in allows zekken on duelist, sacy on initator, pancada back on controller, tenz probably plays a duellist / initiator flex role while johnqt is on the KJ, if you look up his KJ stats they arent bad at all. while he also has experience on breach
what did that bring you? you squandered playoffs qualification against bottom of the table MIBR
boostio with all the excuses after their loss against PRX, Jingg, something, mindfreak, davai and forsaken about to run rampant against EG and send them home with nothing once more
everyone will sadly be forced to come to australia
they aren't gonna do it but they should have partnered with an OCE team of some kind, even if it's just 1, increase the global reach of VAL for the upcoming future
"awarding those who are great at the moment and those who have been consistent throughout the season"
Well it'll be based on most recent performance AND championship points, meaning that doing good in split 2 will likely increase your chances at a champions slot tenfold
they stated qualification from consistency and best at the moment, so im guessing a direct invite to champions from split 2 is going to be announced.
Top 3 championship points
1st at split 2
with both BLG and EDG advancing out of their groups, there is going to be some sort of expansion for china in 2024. the fact that one of the masters event is being held in shanghai hints even more to some sort of new chinese system, either being introduced as the 4th league or a more expansive open qualification system like last year challengers or FGC this year (but on a much larger scale)
1st - PRX
2nd - EG
3rd - EDG
4th - LOUD
Fnatic and FUT crashing out in the first round
do i care they are on the same side of the bracket?
no - they will find a way to do it
tl:dr - Fnatic is your only hope and the rest of EU and EMEA as a whole suck
two 1 team regions although NA reigns supreme and here's why
Pure retrospect and on paper, Fnatic is easily the better team making EU a better "1 team region" but thats only on paper, looking at the rest of the region
FUT made it out of a group with FPX and T1.... going head to head with both, they aint winning shit in playoffs
oh and they are from turkey which isn't in EU
How does a region with 4 teams (TL, NAVI, FNC, Giants) only have fnatic dominate their group and everyone else eliminated for a 25% success rate
NA with 2 teams (EG, NRG) had EG make it out going 2-0 and NRG going 1-2 for a 50% success rate.
Lets be real when I say EMEA as a whole including FUT is the weakest region, Fnatic gonna win a few games and maybe the tournament but the rest of the teams are not doing anything.
Pacific have a genuine chance to make it to the grand finals with PRX and top 4 with DRX picking up the pace.
China with EDG can easily make top 4 as well with BLG maybe picking up a win or two
Americas with LOUD and EG can easily make a statement with BOTH teams making it top 4
EMEA having fnatic roll over everyone and FUT go out in two games
can't be saying anything when DRX advanced 1st out of a group with 2 EMEA teams and PRX advances in 1st seed as well
being real giants aint making it out either
Paper Rex vs. KRU Esports
2-0 PRX win // PRX made it top 3 at masters with a content creator sub. With the practice they would have had by now I don't see KRU making it hard for PRX. A map or two may go to overtime but KRU ain't bringing it home.
EDward Gaming vs. Giants
2-1 EDG win // EDG have looked stronger and stronger at each international event, Giants may take a map off with good set plays and ideas but EDG will have the firepower to outlast them. KangKang gonna jett diff them and the rest of EDG will have their own moments. Although Giants aren't looking terrible.
Bilibili Gaming vs. Fnatic
2-1 FNC win // This has all the potential to be a blowout but I beleive in BLG to take 1 map off in a overtime battle - but the other two are gonna be fnatic showing why they are 2 time champions
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