good players on a bad team

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nuthoneycheerios

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termtermtermterm

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GX isnt bad rn

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0 wins btw

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yea cause they are playing against fucking fnatic and they just debuted a new roster

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nooomy

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regardless, you cant exactly say an 0-4 team isnt bad

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H3ENnZ

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this iteration of GX is not bad how is it hard to understand lol

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I think you are just trying to justify Fnatic losing a map to them lol
Its a common psychology thing, you can unconciously start thinking another team is good cause you cant cope with the fact that your team is dogshit for losing map against 0-4 team

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??? Im not even coping i think both teams played really well today, ara was insane for a tier 2 player who just joined tier one, fnatic IS the best team in emea currently and thats not even because i like fnatic, its just the truth

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no heretics is LOL

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z12

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no they arent 😭 🙏

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Effluxi

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Don't need to justify shit for heretics it was ascent and they didn't cook even though there's an unbeatable defense comp blocking anybody from picking ascent otherwise.

GX is still dog though. No clue why he's arguing that

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Not sure if you are able to read but they changed the roster. This is like saying that GenG is still as good as they were at shanghai because they are still the same team. Different roster means different performance. Also calling another team dogshit when you have a KRU flair. 0/8

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https://www.vlr.gg/459840/natus-vincere-vs-giantx-champions-tour-2025-emea-stage-1-w3/?game=207188&tab=overview

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this roster is 0-1 against one of the best in EMEA. give it a bit more time

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nooomy

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im not saying they need to make moves, but objectively you cannot say that an 0-4 team isnt a bad team

there are people in the thread saying that Cryo is a good player on a bad team, and 100T are 3-1, so saying that an 0-4 team is bad is not a stretch

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Well kru went winless in 2023 and still got champs

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nooomy

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ok but 2023 pre-LCQ KRU were still bad, just because they improved doesnt mean they werent shit previously

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Aayan

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This team after the changes is 0-1, that’s his point

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nooomy

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so... still winless?

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Aayan

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You’re intentionally missing the point. It’s useless to further talk to you.

Good day

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nooomy

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youre missing the point. No team is good when theyre winless. they may improve to be good, but by your logic there are no shit teams because even teams who cannot win are good

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penpen

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we see the same w loud tho, where they bring in a new roster n look way better, but they come in and have to play some of the hardest teams in their groups lmao. unlucky timing but they are better than before. plus they had the hardest group anyway

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Kru went 0-9 and qualified for champs, what's your point?

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nooomy

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KRU were shit when they went 0-9 and improved to get to champs that year

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cameran

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cryo, aspas (debtable), demon1

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tjabo

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demon1 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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cameran

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what hes good and hes trapped with t0x and cum on his team and a washed 2022 igl who got carried by aspas

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catNmouse

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WE, yes i mean WE will NOT allow tex slander

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cameran

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😭

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cameran u can do better than this

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cryo yes, aspas fuck no, and demon0 is mainly the issue due to his inability to do anything after his champs run

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Marii

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Flair

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DelusionalAdvisor24

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Cryo yes? Bruh

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name checks out

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Hydra11

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100t is not a bad team

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nooomy

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the morons in this thread are trying to argue that 0-4 giants are a good team while 3-1 100T are shit, thinking skills are dead

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Ninjay48

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mibr is most definitely not a bad team what are you on

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ONSLAUGHT_DV

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100t and mibr are not bad teams

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fiv5Mmmmm

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aspas????

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ionlyHave1Zuni

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0 ball knowledge 💔💔💔🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀

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WjFROST

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how tf did you just call 100t bad

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cameran

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They are

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CHEEEZPUFZEZ

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demon1 is the. worst player on his team

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cameran

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No thats rossy and kingg

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Hydra11

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cum???

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invy and slowly are the posterchild of good player and bad team

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imnothorny

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why is ts allergic to being good

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danii1

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cuz of Jr0my and J0ssiev0sh

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temi

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invy needs to be saved

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Germy

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jremy good tho......

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danii1

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there are like 5 other filipino duelists in challengers that are better

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Alint

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vo0kashu gaming

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shesh_

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mada and s0m

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itisnoah54

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free them ong 😭🙏💔

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efftee

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Minny

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s0m

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de2eqewe2q

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he chose that for himself, FNS's kitten

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harm

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cryo 100T
westside GX
vo0kashu DRG

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DAIH

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Westside isn't even the best player on his team

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Oxy C9
Jinggg PRX

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Oxy isn't even the best on his team... nor is jinggg

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Germy

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bro ive been a fan of jinggg since 2022 but lets be honest he doesnt look good lately, he is good at raze and phoenix, both of which are not meta right now and they need him to role swap which he apparently cannot do

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saebr

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Have u watched the games? He's looked the best he has since 2023

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hunkkz

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J0ngg lmaoooo

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sexwithgiraffes

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akame is prob the safest answer

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Alint

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valid

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also meiy?

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serot

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tbh all of DFM besides art are decent players that just need a good coach and IGL to start winning games
gyen has been transitioning from ranked to pro play and looks to finally be showing off his insane mechanical talents
jinboong has been consistently solid for all of the DFM games imo

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my-dad-ate-my-toes

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Westside, slowly, heat and UdoTan

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Mylotic

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Mada, flor, lukxo, heat, f0rsaken, Kr1stal.

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MrHyphon

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Engh

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Zekken

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VxpxFX

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C9 OXY because Cloud 9
PRX f0rsakeN/Jinggg because they lack strats
2G spikezin
LOUD luk xo

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imo c9 is looking good they might make internationals.

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fatdaddy

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why, did someone send them an invite?

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Germy

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if ur putting luk xo also put dgzin
Oxy is good but v1c has honestly looked even better then him, and C9 are a good team this year icl. didnt know what to think of the -moose -rossy +mitch +net but its worked out

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FrogGrenade

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Why is everyone saying Oxy? Not every team can be a super team you are acting like he is on Furia

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Glassy

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heat

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catNmouse

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INVY

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f0rsaken

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Marii

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Slowly invy Lukxo Vookashu Cloud

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Cloud have potential for become almost a Leo level iniatiator.But he has never been in a team that he can show it.
Luk xo & Dgz I dont think we need an explanation
Honorable mentions:Westside,Mada,Invy,Vookashu

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Tempest24

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meiy/akame
F0rsaken
flor
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Udotan/kr1stal

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sheydos

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He hasnt gone positive since 2024

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Burger_brain

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eh not really, he has carried them in the past. rn he is being jailed by the org

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gabeeeeee

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its kinda hard when his igl and coach are straight up matchfixing at any given time
SOMEONE GIVE HIM SOME HELP

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Swarleyyy

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Something

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DelusionalAdvisor24

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People saying cryo have no brain

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ONSLAUGHT_DV

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thank you brother. Someone with an actual brain that is not a stat merchant

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akame

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s0m (plz save my king pleaase)

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ninebody or slowly

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#freeinvy

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maximumPlebus21

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slowly
vookashu
f0rsaken
primmie
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nats (debatable tbh, but bangkok sure)
florescent
mada (being held back from his true potential, kinda similar to 2024 EG with jawgemo)
dgzin & lukxo

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liquid lookin good now tbh

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Fut and liquid are both good teams but I like this list

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Sheydos
Nats

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liquid arent bad

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Slowly
ninebody
vookashu
kai
F0resaken

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aburnie

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Governor. MY GOAT.

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PLRoox

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nice joke
nah but to be honest sorry but he doesn't look good

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Flor is B tier duelist on D tier team

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sheydos

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Udotan

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Jinggg

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Flor isnt even the best player on that team rn

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She is the best she just need a good team to pop off

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when she plays good game she's really impactful
but for now she plays mid/bad for me

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maximumthehormone

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yeah idk why people are saying flor when batujnax performed better a lot of matches

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NiSMO

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meyi or akame

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jinggg

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any prx player would do decent with other teams # savejingforsakensomething

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PRIMMIE

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pr0mm0e

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sayf

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as a player he's good
but as igl mid

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Shao