Why do people think it’s a biological advantage and not socialization? Do people think NA is genetically better at valorant than Japan too? Or do they recognize that it’s because Japan doesn’t have a tacFPS background, kind of like how women were kept out of esports and video games for decades?
It’s not inherently unfair to have nb/trans people in GC, I mean the last GC mvp is daiki a cis woman. People confuse socialization with genetics/biology
Trans/nb players are not as dominant as you think they are, flor is an anomaly
Why think men are biologically better at esports
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i do think there is a difference not saying all men are better than all women. but it’s the stat talking for themselves every GC team that played in tier 2 got destroyed like it was a different type of lvl thats why
yes because theres 10x more of a player base that doesnt mean its a biological advantage lmao
The difference is so small that even at the highest level, it's like splitting hairs. Even with all the research, the reaction time is something that will be quite fine in comparison to other factors like how often they are playing ranked.
You also bring up "stats" but you aren't really linking anything. I checked GC EMEA, and the best player currently is a biological woman. The teams on track to qualify on points are fully cis-women rosters.
Do people actually think men are biologically better at gaming? I mean it's true for more physical based sports but I didn't think people were stupid enough to think it's similar in gaming as well.
if u don't think men are biologically better at gaming then you are stupid af
i am not sexist but this is true
How are they biologically better? Any studies or evidence you can provide? I might just not be knowledgeable about this.
you don't need a paper to figure this out. esports isn't a new sector you have decades of data right in front of you. we can debate the reasons behind this outcome, but arguing that it isn't true is foolish
yes guys lets downvote this sexist mfucker
I AM NOT SAYING ITS MY OPINION ITS THE DATA WHY ARE U GUYS DELUSIONAL ITS NOT MY OPINION
Why is it not socialisation or cultural thing being the problem like op is saying? Also esports is not that old lol. Especially women entry into esports isn't a old thing.
Let me ask something else. Why are south Asian men not as good in esports as like Chinese or Korean or European pros? Are South Asian men biologically worse?
cause there are no exceptional cases. there are game changers players who have received full support from their families and social circles and were raised no differently from male esports players, having played fps games since childhood. Yet not a single one has managed to surpass the top male players. there is not even one exception. The same pattern can be seen across other esports titles as well
they just lazy lets be real would rather stay in gc for an easy paycheck then actually improve
no it's not about that. BBL Queens were playing against BBL's VCT roster on praccs (that GC roster has alkyia vania eva wens and they were undefeated eu champs. and that BBL roster was ass they were out of playoffs whole year.)
And that praccs were SO 1 sided cause there was a tier gap
https://www.vlr.gg/421600/siko-vs-g2-gozen-red-bull-home-ground-5-lr1
https://www.vlr.gg/421594/bbl-esports-vs-g2-gozen-red-bull-home-ground-5-ubqf
also fuck these matches who cares about these ones
u really think that any top gc team is better than any top vct team?
or lets fuck this argument too
do you really think that any female player is better than any top tier vct player?
Daiki, GC MvP, had support from his family, was personally coached by FalleN (brazilian CS legend, 2 times major winner) when she was a kid/teenager, is AN IGL (which is one of the biggest gaps between BR valo and other regions valo nowadays) and yet she gets no chances on a regular circuit team. And btw they never won against VCB teams, even though they are invited to the league
I means there is just way less cis women who are in that same situation, so the chances of producing a talent is so much less
There’s a lot more men who are in the same position of daiki in terms of socialization and lack of stigma (other than being coached by fallen)
there are so many players like that but people are delusional...
this is not an opinion this is a DATA
MEN are better than WOMEN in esports and it can't be about socialisation or cultural thing (daiki, vania or many players are proof for this)
i am not sexist i watched GC about 1-2 years
You’re the stupid one for attributing these differences in outcome to genetics
Social and cultural factors can easily explain these outcomes to a very large extent while the proposed genetic differences can’t
You are saying that social and cultural factors "easily explain" the gap, but where is the evidence? There are few women who have had the same opportunities, started young, and trained professionally for years. Yet not a single one has reached the level of the top male players. if the gap is primarily social why are there no exceptions?
do you understand the idea of sample size?
there are plenty of exceptions, the top GC players are the exceptions
plenty of GC players have hit 800-900-1000 RR, which is the standard expected of tier 1 players
the ratio at the top level is like 50 to 1
the problem is its unlikely non GC teams will pick them up since there is a lack of precedent
the issue is not that there are no exceptions but more that there is no talent concentration, since the truely good players are divided up between GC teams and play with players below their level regularly
yes i understand the idea of sample size and i am NOT saying that there should be many female players same tier with top tier male players.
i am saying THERE SHOULD BE JUST 1 player IF its just about socialisation or cultural thing
i'm more inclined to believe that non gc teams are just hesistant on picking up a woman + 4 men/ 2 + 3 due to the extra attention they will have to give wrt team dynamics and player relationships out of game. a player like miNt reached radiant @ 15, that certainly qualifies for prodigious talent at the very least. there's no way she wouldn't hold her own on a t2 team.
there are players, but you would need to look outside valorant
in overwatch, you had geguri
in starcraft 2 you had scarlett
ricki ortiz in street fighter
thing about this is that if men dont want to play with women they can jst veto it gatekeeping women from playing
They see the biological differences in men vs women in sports like swimming, basketball, track, etc and then thinks those can directly apply to esports with stuff like reaction time, mental, etc. I agree with you tho that socialization is the much bigger factor in this instance
Oh there’s absolutely biological advantages in actual sports, but I can’t believe people think this applies to esports over socialization
Technically men do have faster reaction times which can help but there’s so many other factors to being good at the game which minimizes its importance imo. A lot of pros agree that being smart>>good aim in valorant, not to say that aim isn’t important
I swear there was a video where fns had faster reaction time than everyone else on nrg 😂😂😂😂
women have better fine motor control control
so in theory they should aim better
in practice the gap is nonexistent no?
am I tripping or do players like flor not have that socialization disadvantage then ? (Eg was a boy when young therefore more likely to have video game background)
players like flor have a massive disadvantage as it's hard for them to grind ranked without experiencing loads of hate and bigotry. Every trans individual i know has quit due to it being detrimental on their mental health to try and play ranked. They do have a socialization disadvantage, it's just slightly different
The difference is Florescent has shrugged off and pushed forth against a lot of bigotry. Obviously, it will still affect her, but she has been consistently grinding Radiant and playing alongside some of the best Tier 2 prospects in ranked and on a pick-up in Funhavers.
A larger amount of players will have called it quits or just not committed because they it is too tiring to endure the hatred just for a miniscule chance at even getting somewhere (especially since NA GC has so few official orgs and teams just drop off out of nowhere).
What is it with you and upvote farms, no one cares that much about vlr validation
Do you really go around never trying to understand other people views and opinions
i think there is some actual biological advantage, for example average reaction time. but the fact that there are just much much less female players is telling enough
WE ALL just read the same transphobic and misinformed VLR user's post. I just find it crazy how the guy tried to come across as 'just trying to be respectful' and yet was super rude and transphobic further in the comments
They do have a pretty extensive involvement in tac fps tho, which definitely gives them advantages when it comes to valo no? A lot of na pros came from cs, even if na cs is horrible
have u ever considered that those games are just not as popular outside NA✌️
it's not a theory.
it's just data and phenomenon.
As everybody cheers female to have the same ability as Tier 1 players(except flor)
when someone makes a point you agree with in such a well worded and established manner it makes you agree even more!
Honestly, your post was perfectly timed for me because I was looking at a Reddit post which went into detail about how there are other factors like socialisation that have potentially more impact than reaction time. I am of the opinion that it's definitely socialisation since you can imagine women and trans people probably get a fairly large amount of misogyny and hate just for talking. They may get trolled just because they aren't given equal respect purely out of a prejudice from some players.
On top of that, most* GC players/teams probably only scrim one another and rarely get a shot with a Tier 2 team. And that loops back around to because Tier 2 teams don't think of GC players as worth the time to scrim against due to their much lower average ranked. They won't be able to limit test the strategies and see the flaws and counters that might arise.
Edit: * should have clarified since teams like SRG is kind of the anomaly.
top GC teams like srg scrim both t2 and T1 teams all the time. I agree with most of what u're saying I just want u to edit that part out
I edited it since it's no lie that most GC players don't get a chance to scrim. SRG has a lot more opportunities since they are one of the best GC teams. Outside of them and maybe teams in Brazil like TL Brazil, EG GC and MIBR GC, I doubt most GC teams are getting the time of day from Tier 2 orgs to scrim.
people just say this because they are disrespectful to trans people and want to justify discrimination
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