Duelists
1-aspas
2-derke
3-something
Initiator
1-Sacy
2-Leo
3-crashies
Flex
1-Chronicle
2--f0rsakeN
3-Ethan
Controller
1-?
2-pANcada
3-?
Sentinel
1-Less
2-Alfajer
3-Meteor
IGL
1-saadhak
2-boaster
3-Ethan
top 3 in history for roles
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how to tell your Brazilian glazer without telling your a Brazilian glazer.
something 3rd duelist of all time what the fuck are you smoking
initiators 1) crashies 2) leo 3) sacy
controllers is mako, pancada, s0m
i honestly don't know who else to add to the all time controller list
shrike- [#4]controllers is mako, pancada, s0m
i honestly don't know who else to add to the all time controller list
marved
SENfns [#3]something 3rd duelist of all time what the fuck are you smoking
initiators 1) crashies 2) leo 3) sacy
Sacy winning 2 trophies with 2 different teams 2 years apart is more impressive than Leo's godly 1-2 year stint in my opinion. His impact in the lobby, regardless of stats, was absolutely crucial to both wins. An extremely intelligent player
DELUSIONAL_BANG_FAN [#9]Sacy winning 2 trophies with 2 different teams 2 years apart is more impressive than Leo's godly 1-2 year stint in my opinion. His impact in the lobby, regardless of stats, was absolutely crucial to both wins. An extremely intelligent player
ok switch them around i don't care that much
Crashies isn’t a top 3 initiator ever. replace him with riens, brawk, or Shao
JonahPork [#12]Crashies isn’t a top 3 initiator ever. replace him with riens, brawk, or Shao
Shao
shrike- [#4]controllers is mako, pancada, s0m
i honestly don't know who else to add to the all time controller list
pancada can't be in a top 3 list with 1 trophy and not doing anything for 4 years straight
atrocious rankings
s0mething hasn't done shit to be in top 3 duelists, he's not even the second best player on PRX
Sacy was ass on sentinels, two trophies doesn't make up for that. leo was the best or second best player on his team when he won the two trophies and was great in 2024 (and 2022 but his team didn't make it far). even crashies has a better argument for 1 than sacy
pAncada had one singular good year as a controller. s0m, karon and mako are ahead of him
ethan has igled one champs win and nothing else, maybe if he wins santiago you can up him up there but as is he shouldn't even be top 5
edit: oh I just saw less is above alfajer, son... this gotta be bait
MrBlooBloom [#15]pancada can't be in a top 3 list with 1 trophy and not doing anything for 4 years straight
sentinels sabotaged his career
FancyPancy [#2]how to tell your Brazilian glazer without telling your a Brazilian glazer.
he's right, only pancada is a fraud
koldamentafan [#19]Alfajer > Less. Brazilians still coping with this bro i cant
Less vs Alfajer
Less vs Alfajer Lockin
https://www.vlr.gg/167393/loud-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-gf
Less 1.26 > 0.96 Alfajer
Less +20 > +7 Alfajer
Less vs Alfajer Champions 2023
https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf
Less 1.19 > 1.18 Alfajer
Less +9 > +5 Alfajer
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3
Less 1.08 > 0.83 Alfajer
Less +2 > -4 Alfajer
Less vs Alfajer EMEA Stage 1 2025
https://www.vlr.gg/459836/team-vitality-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2025-emea-stage-1-w2
Less 1.00 > 0.79 Alfajer
Less +5 > -7 Alfajer
Less 4 - 0 Alfajer
Asto3 [#18]he's right, only pancada is a fraud
Alfa clears less and its not even close
I_LOVE_LESS [#20]Less vs Alfajer
Less vs Alfajer Lockin
https://www.vlr.gg/167393/loud-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-gf
Less 1.26 > 0.96 Alfajer
Less +20 > +7 AlfajerLess vs Alfajer Champions 2023
https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf
Less 1.19 > 1.18 Alfajer
Less +9 > +5 Alfajer
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3
Less 1.08 > 0.83 Alfajer
Less +2 > -4 AlfajerLess vs Alfajer EMEA Stage 1 2025
https://www.vlr.gg/459836/team-vitality-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2025-emea-stage-1-w2
Less 1.00 > 0.79 Alfajer
Less +5 > -7 AlfajerLess 4 - 0 Alfajer
invalid arguments. Your goat irrelevant for 2 years
koldamentafan [#22]invalid arguments. Your goat irrelevant for 2 years
top4 international placement every year of his career (while playing with the likes of sayf unfake and ambitioN)
I_LOVE_LESS [#20]Less vs Alfajer
Less vs Alfajer Lockin
https://www.vlr.gg/167393/loud-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-gf
Less 1.26 > 0.96 Alfajer
Less +20 > +7 AlfajerLess vs Alfajer Champions 2023
https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf
Less 1.19 > 1.18 Alfajer
Less +9 > +5 Alfajer
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3
Less 1.08 > 0.83 Alfajer
Less +2 > -4 AlfajerLess vs Alfajer EMEA Stage 1 2025
https://www.vlr.gg/459836/team-vitality-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2025-emea-stage-1-w2
Less 1.00 > 0.79 Alfajer
Less +5 > -7 AlfajerLess 4 - 0 Alfajer
literally does not matter 😂no way we unironically using h2h stats in all time comparisons
uwukitten [#24]literally does not matter 😂no way we unironically using h2h stats in all time comparisons
alfajer 1 masters trophy
Less 1 champs trophy
For some reason not seeing TenZ on the list feels wrong but understandable given his role swaps over time.
I_LOVE_LESS [#25]alfajer 1 masters trophy
Less 1 champs trophy
nobody falling for this bait 💔learn how to bait from your goat
CookieMania [#26]For some reason not seeing TenZ on the list feels wrong but understandable given his role swaps over time.
hes not a top duelist, top omen or top kayo of all time
Boaster above saadhak in igl easily
For controllers add s0m and mako
And id put alfa above less
SENfns [#28]hes not a top duelist, top omen or top kayo of all time
That’s why I’m saying the list without him is understandable, just feels weird to have a top 10 player not on a list with 15 spots
Always getting grouped, no trophies with TL yaddayaddayadda, but "in history", for sure nAts is up there for sentinels.
His impact is hard to ignore.
CookieMania [#30]That’s why I’m saying the list without him is understandable, just feels weird to have a top 10 player not on a list with 15 spots
wouldn't really say hes a top 10 player of all time either....
lyssss [#7]in what world is chronicle over forsaken exactly
the world where f0rsaken scraps a 1.0 rating whenever he actually has to flex in an international (and the one where chronicle has two more trophies than him and more finals appearances)
uwukitten [#27]nobody falling for this bait 💔learn how to bait from your goat
how is it bait
riot dont include lockin on their list of masters winners
SENfns [#28]hes not a top duelist, top omen or top kayo of all time
He had the highest Omen peak ever, he’s pretty much revolutionized how Omen is played in the modern day
JonahPork [#35]He had the highest Omen peak ever, he’s pretty much revolutionized how Omen is played in the modern day
i'd still have established smokes players higher up on the list like marved s0m mako karon
I_LOVE_LESS [#17]sentinels sabotaged his career
to some extent they did but cmon, we gotta be realistic there, he was a problem on Loud too
SENfns [#36]i'd still have established smokes players higher up on the list like marved s0m mako karon
No world where s0m or Karon are better controllers all time than TenZ
shrike- [#4]controllers is mako, pancada, s0m
i honestly don't know who else to add to the all time controller list
Valyn over pancada.
Ross [#39]Valyn over pancada.
Yeah in the moment idk why i forgot valyn but he is definitely a top 3 controller
Asto3 [#18]he's right, only pancada is a fraud
- Boaster clears Saadhak
- Leo clears Sacy
- Derke clears Aspas
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very simple argument for why Derke > Aspas (Im too lazy to create big stats, but Derke would win in them too):
- Derke > Aspas Early-Late 2021 (non-existent Aspas)
- Aspas > Derke Early 2022
- Derke > Aspas Mid 2022
- Aspas > Derke Late 2022
- Derke > Aspas Early-Mid 2023
- Aspas > Derke Late 2023-Early 2024
- Derke > Aspas Mid 2024
- Aspas > Derke Late 2024
- Derke > Aspas Early-Mid 2025
- Aspas > Derke Late 2025-Early 2026
Derke: 3.0 Years
Aspas: 2.33 Years
sadly pancada has only had 1 good year in valorant. He gets bumped out of top 3 imo, which are probably mako, s0m and karon
JonahPork [#12]Crashies isn’t a top 3 initiator ever. replace him with riens, brawk, or Shao
Riens lmao
indicrow [#44]no fns?
these people are trolling
dw Ill make a better list rq (i need to copy paste an old one and change it up).
I_LOVE_LESS [#23]top4 international placement every year of his career (while playing with the likes of sayf unfake and ambitioN)
how many internationals did Less attend in 2025? Or 24?
Xool_233 [#47]how many internationals did Less attend in 2025? Or 24?
1 each
pancada peak is insane but six months of great gameplay dont cover for the rest which was pretty ass (same reason why demon1 should not be there)
There is a lot wrong here but sacy over leo is perhaps the most offensive statement of all, leo is the goat initiator by such a wide margin it isn't even close dude
Duelists
1-Aspas
2-Derke
3-T3xture
Initiator
1-Leo
2-Sacy
3-Crashies
Flex
1-Forsaken
2--Chronicle
3-Ethan
Controller
1-Mako
2-Karon
3-Tenz
Sentinel
1-Nats
2-Alfajer
3-Leaf
IGL
1-Boaster
2-FNS
3-Valyn
sentinelmain377 [#41]
- Boaster clears Saadhak
- Leo clears Sacy
- Derke clears Aspas
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very simple argument for why Derke > Aspas (Im too lazy to create big stats, but Derke would win in them too):
- Derke > Aspas Early-Late 2021 (non-existent Aspas)
- Aspas > Derke Early 2022
- Derke > Aspas Mid 2022
- Aspas > Derke Late 2022
- Derke > Aspas Early-Mid 2023
- Aspas > Derke Late 2023-Early 2024
- Derke > Aspas Mid 2024
- Aspas > Derke Late 2024
- Derke > Aspas Early-Mid 2025
- Aspas > Derke Late 2025-Early 2026
Derke: 3.0 Years
Aspas: 2.33 Years
Derke > Aspas Early-Late 2022
you are really running with this LMAOOOOO
derke was very much alright af early 22, he missed the first masters god knows why (FNC played with a sub https://www.vlr.gg/event/926/valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k/group-stage) same masters that aspas top fragged the fucking final and was a top player, EMEA S2 he was goated but its regionals, on copenhagen he was mid (had one beast mode game and three alright to bad ones; aspas got fucking grouped and still is 0.05 on rating behind him), only thing he has going on for him was champions in which he was abusing chamber and getting a top 5 while aspas was top fragging a final once again and leading his team to a international win without abusing the meta at all
foythvlr [#52]Derke > Aspas Early-Late 2022
you are really running with this LMAOOOOO
derke was very much alright af early 22, he missed the first masters god knows why (FNC played with a sub https://www.vlr.gg/event/926/valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k/group-stage) same masters that aspas top fragged the fucking final and was a top player, EMEA S2 he was goated but its regionals, on copenhagen he was mid (had one beast mode game and three alright to bad ones; aspas got fucking grouped and still is 0.05 on rating behind him), only thing he has going on for him was champions in which he was abusing chamber and getting a top 5 while aspas was top fragging a final once again and leading his team to a international win without abusing the meta at all
I can agree with Aspas > Derke (derke wasnt there cuz of covid) early 2022 (imma change that).
Derke > Aspas Mid 2022 (you cant justify aspas > derke really)
Derke > Aspas Late 2022 is because all of Aspas's teammates had a better rating than him, while Derke was the clear #1 on FNATIC.
foythvlr [#52]Derke > Aspas Early-Late 2022
you are really running with this LMAOOOOO
derke was very much alright af early 22, he missed the first masters god knows why (FNC played with a sub https://www.vlr.gg/event/926/valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k/group-stage) same masters that aspas top fragged the fucking final and was a top player, EMEA S2 he was goated but its regionals, on copenhagen he was mid (had one beast mode game and three alright to bad ones; aspas got fucking grouped and still is 0.05 on rating behind him), only thing he has going on for him was champions in which he was abusing chamber and getting a top 5 while aspas was top fragging a final once again and leading his team to a international win without abusing the meta at all
"aspas got fucking grouped and still is 0.05 on rating behind him"
Derke is more impressive Mid 2022 cuz he played against the finalists 3x (FPX 2x, PRX 1x) and LEV 1x while still having better stats than Aspas (who played against 3rd - OPTIC, and 9th-10th - KRU). also ye stage 2 derke clears.
Aspas Prime > Derke Prime, but Derke > Aspas all time fr
sentinelmain377 [#54]I can agree with Aspas > Derke (derke wasnt there cuz of covid) early 2022 (imma change that).
Derke > Aspas Mid 2022 (you cant justify aspas > derke really)
Derke > Aspas Late 2022 is because all of Aspas's teammates had a better rating than him, while Derke was the clear #1 on FNATIC.
brother just say you didn't watch champions 22 and move on
aspas was the finals mvp with the lowest rating on the team because theres more to say than his stats just like he was arguably the best player on the entire run having a mid rating
i can understand and respect liking derke more overall but saying he was better in 22 is simply untrue
foythvlr [#56]brother just say you didn't watch champions 22 and move on
aspas was the finals mvp with the lowest rating on the team because theres more to say than his stats just like he was arguably the best player on the entire run having a mid ratingi can understand and respect liking derke more overall but saying he was better in 22 is simply untrue
ight fine ill give it to you since derke would still be better in this comparison ig
Ahnri [#51]Duelists
1-Aspas
2-Derke
3-T3xtureInitiator
1-Leo
2-Sacy
3-CrashiesFlex
1-Forsaken
2--Chronicle
3-EthanController
1-Mako
2-Karon
3-TenzSentinel
1-Nats
2-Alfajer
3-LeafIGL
1-Boaster
2-FNS
3-Valyn
Alfa all time > nats all time
Ahnri [#51]Duelists
1-Aspas
2-Derke
3-T3xtureInitiator
1-Leo
2-Sacy
3-CrashiesFlex
1-Forsaken
2--Chronicle
3-EthanController
1-Mako
2-Karon
3-TenzSentinel
1-Nats
2-Alfajer
3-LeafIGL
1-Boaster
2-FNS
3-Valyn
To the few ppl that are saying f0rsaken > Chronicle:
Chronicle:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)
2026: Sentinel + Harbor
Trophies: 3, Finals: 7, Top 4s: 8, Top 6s: 9, Top 8s: 10
International Appearances: 10/17
Best performances (general objective opinion of everyone):
Berlin 2021: 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts)
Champs 2021: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on runner-ups (3rd MVP of the tournament overall)
Riyadh 2025: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)
International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8), 1.30 (#1), 1.07 (#15)
6 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.
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F0rsaken:
2021: Duelist
2022: Duelist + Chamber
2023: Duelist + Initiator (Flash/Support) + Controller + Sentinel + IGL
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + Yoru + Harbor + Cypher + IGL
2025: Controller + Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + IGL
2026: Controller + Yoru + Veto + Fade
Trophies: 1, Finals: 3, Top 4s: 9, Top 6s: 10, Top 8s: 10
International Appearances: 14/17
Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)
International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10), 1.16 (#15), 1.03 (#25), 0.95 (currently #29)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.
Conclusion: Chronicle is a better flex all time. 0 debate needed.Xool_233 [#47]how many internationals did Less attend in 2025? Or 24?
he had a top4 at masters in both years!
JonahPork [#53]He’s much better than crashies
There's arguments I guess, but "much" better is a stretch
Meinoplu [#58]Alfa all time > nats all time
Alfa and less are just a shooters to me especially Alfa hes doing that on any role realistically if he can focus. His actual senti gameplay is genuinely nothing to write home about. I’d even put less > him in that aspect alone. Just happened to to be the role he plays so he’s up here.
sentinelmain377 [#59]To the few ppl that are saying f0rsaken > Chronicle:
Chronicle:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)
2026: Sentinel + HarborTrophies: 3, Finals: 7, Top 4s: 8, Top 6s: 9, Top 8s: 10
International Appearances: 10/17Best performances (general objective opinion of everyone):
Berlin 2021: 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts)
Champs 2021: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on runner-ups (3rd MVP of the tournament overall)
Riyadh 2025: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8), 1.30 (#1), 1.07 (#15)
6 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.---------------------
F0rsaken:
2021: Duelist
2022: Duelist + Chamber
2023: Duelist + Initiator (Flash/Support) + Controller + Sentinel + IGL
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + Yoru + Harbor + Cypher + IGL
2025: Controller + Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + IGL
2026: Controller + Yoru + Veto + FadeTrophies: 1, Finals: 3, Top 4s: 9, Top 6s: 10, Top 8s: 10
International Appearances: 14/17Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10), 1.16 (#15), 1.03 (#25), 0.95 (currently #29)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.Conclusion: Chronicle is a better flex all time. 0 debate needed.
Played with 6 people on this list. He’s not going any higher.
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