Does anyone genuinely believe this?
“Ethan GOAT”
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I mean the criteria for GOAT selection is just inconsistent
Ethan’s a great leader tho
Love that guy
Pomshies [#12]No
i get the point of this analogy is to discredit champs wins
but you cant make the same analogy for ethan
Mqrio [#13]i get the point of this analogy is to discredit champs wins
but you cant make the same analogy for ethan
I’m an NRG fan I’m not trying to discredit anything
But there’s just no way you can convince me that when you watch Ethan play you genuinely think to yourself that ‘yeah this guy is the greatest player to ever touch this game’, I just refuse to believe it
nutab1e [#16]less outrageous than botnicle
I disagree but chronicle definitely isn’t the goat either
if ethan is the goat of valorant because he has 2 champs then modric is the goat of football because he has 6 ucls
aspas_number1hater [#18]if ethan is the goat of valorant because he has 2 champs then modric is the goat of football because he has 6 ucls
and bill russel is the goat of the nba
yes
ethan is the best player in the world !!
i’m a valorant enjoyer from Tel Aviv and this is my opinion
asunaluvr [#20]yes
ethan is the best player in the world !!
i’m a valorant enjoyer from Tel Aviv and this is my opinion
shameless fake flagger
asunaluvr [#20]yes
ethan is the best player in the world !!
i’m a valorant enjoyer from Tel Aviv and this is my opinion
lmao 😭
Pomshies [#14]I’m an NRG fan I’m not trying to discredit anything
But there’s just no way you can convince me that when you watch Ethan play you genuinely think to yourself that ‘yeah this guy is the greatest player to ever touch this game’, I just refuse to believe it
hes not the most flashiest to ever do it
But he produces results
On 2 diff rosters
and IGLing one
Mqrio [#24]hes not the most flashiest to ever do it
But he produces results
On 2 diff rosters
and IGLing one
and does kiles clear kaajak because he “produces results”? Ethan individually has never been even a top 20 player itw, you have to disregard individual performances to a comical degree to say that he’s the greatest to ever do it because of his achievements
asunaluvr [#20]yes
ethan is the best player in the world !!
i’m a valorant enjoyer from Tel Aviv and this is my opinion
glory to netanyahu
Pomshies [#25]and does kiles clear kaajak because he “produces results”? Ethan individually has never been even a top 20 player itw, you have to disregard individual performances to a comical degree to say that he’s the greatest to ever do it because of his achievements
i consider the most accomplished player the best to play the game
Mqrio [#27]i consider the most accomplished player the best to play the game
oh ok so you do think kiles clears kaajak lmao
well its either aspas or him, and if ethan gets another trophy somehow its undisputable. trophies matter
macncheese [#29]well its either aspas or him, and if ethan gets another trophy somehow its undisputable. trophies matter
individual performances also matter
how can someone who has never even been a top 20 player itw individually at any point in his career be the greatest to ever do it? Please tell me how that makes any sense because I really don’t get it
Pomshies [#30]individual performances also matter
how can someone who has never even been a top 20 player itw individually at any point in his career be the greatest to ever do it? Please tell me how that makes any sense because I really don’t get it
yea thats why i mentioned aspas. it really depends on your school of thought, if you are familiar with cs its like s1mple vs zywoo (except zywoo still is a top individual). but basically imo if u value trophies its ethan if u dont its aspas
Pomshies [#28]oh ok so you do think kiles clears kaajak lmao
no, depending on preference you can argue kiles has accomplished more in his career than kajaak. Champs trophy vs multiple deep lan runs and ROKY.
But context matters aswell, that champs trophy is pretty dusty and kiles has not been in the league for a while.
Even with a champs trophy kajjak is obviously better than kiles
Why are you using a comparison of a player who hasnt been in t1 in 4 years vs the best rookie in emea
Ethan is still active and in the league and his champs trophies are relevant in the current time
If it was 2028 and I said ethan is the best still and its bc hes the only player to have 2 champs trophies then come flame me
macncheese [#31]yea thats why i mentioned aspas. it really depends on your school of thought, if you are familiar with cs its like s1mple vs zywoo (except zywoo still is a top individual). but basically imo if u value trophies its ethan if u dont its aspas
except the cs equivalent of Ethan is dupreeh
asunaluvr [#20]yes
ethan is the best player in the world !!
i’m a valorant enjoyer from Tel Aviv and this is my opinion
Rak Bibi🫡
that's like saying Dani Alves is the goat of football just because he had more trophies than Messi
Pomshies [#33]except the cs equivalent of Ethan is dupreeh
actually youre right, thats a better comparison anyways 2 champs trophies in a game as young as valorant is difficult to compete with so far. if aspas can keep up this performance for a few more years and even if he doesnt win hell become the goat
Mqrio [#32]no, depending on preference you can argue kiles has accomplished more in his career than kajaak. Champs trophy vs multiple deep lan runs and ROKY.
But context matters aswell, that champs trophy is pretty dusty and kiles has not been in the league for a while.
Even with a champs trophy kajjak is obviously better than kiles
Why are you using a comparison of a player who hasnt been in t1 in 4 years vs the best rookie in emea
Ethan is still active and in the league and his champs trophies are relevant in the current time
If it was 2028 and I said ethan is the best still and its bc hes the only player to have 2 champs trophies then come flame me
Ok so since being in tier 1 matters then you should think that Starxo > kaajak all time right?
macncheese [#37]actually youre right, thats a better comparison anyways 2 champs trophies in a game as young as valorant is difficult to compete with so far. if aspas can keep up this performance for a few more years and even if he doesnt win hell become the goat
I’d also say Alfajer is up there
It originated from the fact people were calling "chronicle" the goat just based on team achievements.
Game isn't old enough for the comparison but it's as close as we can get for now (Up to 2025).
Aspas ~ S1mple
Ethan, Chronicle ~ Dupreeh
He does have two champs trophy and the only one to have this title until Starxo decides to win another trophy this year
Pomshies [#38]Ok so since being in tier 1 matters then you should think that Starxo > kaajak all time right?
No kaajak has accomplished more than starxo
lets keep going !
Mqrio [#24]hes not the most flashiest to ever do it
But he produces results
On 2 diff rosters
and IGLing one
Jrue Holiday > Jokic ahh take
Mqrio [#43]No kaajak has accomplished more than starxo
lets keep going !
If kaajak has accomplished more than Starxo then how hasn’t Chornicle accomplished more than Ethan?
Pomshies [#46]If kaajak has accomplished more than Starxo then how hasn’t Chornicle accomplished more than Ethan?
He has two masters trophies
ethan has two champs trophies
Mqrio [#47]He has two masters trophies
ethan has two champs trophies
ok but how does kaajak 0 trophies > Starxo champs trophy make sense then?
Pomshies [#48]ok but how does kaajak 0 trophies > Starxo champs trophy make sense then?
more deep lan runs and better domestic results.
again the criteria for all of this is subjective and its apparent i wont change your mind nor am I trying to
But you asking why x player is better than y
and then asking why the same isnt true for players z and a is because every player is different
I think Ethan has achieved the most ATP in the game so thats why I think he is the greatest
You don't have to cherry pick random players who have won the trophy and ask why they arent highly reagrded when we all know why
Mqrio [#51]more deep lan runs and better domestic results.
again the criteria for all of this is subjective and its apparent i wont change your mind nor am I trying to
But you asking why x player is better than y
and then asking why the same isnt true for players z and a is because every player is different
I think Ethan has achieved the most ATP in the game so thats why I think he is the greatest
You don't have to cherry pick random players who have won the trophy and ask why they arent highly reagrded when we all know why
Chronicle has way more deep lan runs and much better domestic results than Ethan
Starxo also does not have worse domestic results than kaajak, Acend won masters 1 EU
your flawed logic has just been exposed, clearly once applied to other player you no longer believe the same criteria you used to justify that Ethan is the goat
because quite frankly such a criteria is ridiculous
catNmouse [#5]chronicle clears
chron got owned by nats what you talking about lol
Valyn_is_the_truth [#6]Chronicle finals count more than Ethan international apperances
getting carried by teammates is different than getting carried by teammates and actually leading a team
aspas_number1hater [#18]if ethan is the goat of valorant because he has 2 champs then modric is the goat of football because he has 6 ucls
yep your right goat debate should be settled by individual brilliance meaning Aspas is the goat
Congo1 [#7]ethan is a 1.0 rating merchant. thats all there is to be said on the topic
How many champs does m8 have?
2ronx [#40]It originated from the fact people were calling "chronicle" the goat just based on team achievements.
Game isn't old enough for the comparison but it's as close as we can get for now (Up to 2025).Aspas ~ S1mple
Ethan, Chronicle ~ Dupreeh
Alfa > chronicle
Punish3rlp [#54]chron got owned by nats what you talking about lol
well yeah because nAts >> everyone
Punish3rlp [#56]yep your right goat debate should be settled by individual brilliance meaning Aspas is the goat
Except aspas is not individually brilliant 🤣
Who is actually in contention? I've only seen Alfa, Ethan, aspas, and Chron brought up in conversations.
Alfa's case: Best performances at internationals.
aspas's case: Longevity, insane domestic performances, consistently #1
Ethan's case: 2 Champs with two different teams
Chron's case: 3 international wins
So it really depends on what your criteria is, I would lean aspas given that VCT is still quite young and so rings don't mean as much yet.
DaBetz [#2]whoever says that is just baiting
whoever says what you just said is baiting even harder
Pomshies [#53]Chronicle has way more deep lan runs and much better domestic results than Ethan
Starxo also does not have worse domestic results than kaajak, Acend won masters 1 EU
your flawed logic has just been exposed, clearly once applied to other player you no longer believe the same criteria you used to justify that Ethan is the goat
because quite frankly such a criteria is ridiculous
apples and oranges comparisons are not transitive across different apples and oranges
have your goat idc
ur so pressed I consider the most decorated player the game's best
Mqrio [#66]apples and oranges comparisons are not transitive across different apples and oranges
have your goat idc
ur so pressed I consider the most decorated player the game's best
just say you think Ethan is the goat because you want him to be next time instead of pretending there’s any logic behind it
Pomshies [#68]just say you think Ethan is the goat because you want him to be next time instead of pretending there’s any logic behind it
I think hes the best bc he has accomplished the most
I_LOVE_LESS [#67]link a game where alfajer diffed Less, i'll wait
Link an event in the past 2 years where less went to an international, I'll wait
ParodyAccount [#65]whoever says what you just said is baiting even harder
"ParodyAccount"
Mqrio [#69]I think hes the best bc he has accomplished the most
clearly not
c4rrotstix [#70]Link an event in the past 2 years where less went to an international, I'll wait
https://www.vlr.gg/event/2281/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1921/champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid
hey look two top4 international placements!
#2 rated player at madrid too btw
aspas lacks trophies, chronicle lacks impact, Ethan lacks stats, alfa hasn’t proven it outside fnc
no goat in val yet
Chronicle was never even been the best player on his own team when he won #notmygoat
like [#74]aspas lacks trophies, chronicle lacks impact, Ethan lacks stats, alfa hasn’t proven it outside fnc
no goat in val yet
1 champs trophy is all you need + no reason for loyalty to be seen as detrimental
GOAT debate is between aspas and alfa!
alto [#76]Chronicle was never even been the best player on his own team when he won #notmygoat
same could be said for Ethan
ParodyAccount [#75]soo fucking original
dont name urself that stupid shit then lmfao
Pomshies [#72]clearly not
since you love to bring up champs 21 trophy, chrons most recent lan win is closer to that than Ethan's earliest trophy.
What has your goat done in that time frame
Lose
Pomshies [#77]1 champs trophy is all you need + no reason for loyalty to be seen as detrimental
GOAT debate is between aspas and alfa!
needs at least two
Mqrio [#80]since you love to bring up champs 21 trophy, chrons most recent lan win is closer to that than Ethan's earliest trophy.
What has your goat done in that time frame
Lose
chron is not my goat
DaBetz [#79]dont name urself that stupid shit then lmfao
I don't expect people to actually care about that shit, it's a fucking username. You are one in two people that I remember to actually call my username out and think I'm baiting cause I'm a "Parody Account"
Pomshies [#82]chron is not my goat
then who tf is, you have been riding him all thread
Ethen and Chron = most accomplished / best support
Aspas / Alfa = most dominant
I would say we have yet to have a player that is both.
voidmeow [#85]like
actual goat? no but he's for sure top 5-10
yeah he’s somewhere around there
Ethan is top 2 imo
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Chronicle
3 international trophies, top 5 at almost every tournament he's been at. (His worst ever tournament placement was 13-16th in 2021 on gambit.) -
Ethan
2x world champion in modern times on two very different teams playing 2 very different roles, Top cut at most tourneys he's been to since franchising, -
Aspas
1x world champion in early valorant, top cut at most international tournaments he's been to.
Ethan and aspas are super close together though, if aspas steps it up later then this could definitely change for me.
aspas_number1hater [#63]Except aspas is not individually brilliant 🤣
I said that because of your name lol
Pomshies [#78]same could be said for Ethan
sure, which is why the goat is aspas
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