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KGad03 [#2]Icebox instantly becomes NRG's worst map if this happens
he can play kj bro he played kj on icebox and nats played viper
z4kr9 [#3]he can play kj bro he played kj on icebox and nats played viper
mada can also play kj
KGad03 [#2]Icebox instantly becomes NRG's worst map if this happens
i am inclined to agree but bonkar will make him learn viper
catNmouse [#6]i am inclined to agree but bonkar will make him learn viper
Why tho, s0m was playing kj and skuba viper on icebox
nightwinter14 [#7]Why tho, s0m was playing kj and skuba viper on icebox
oh i thought it was the other way around on icebox given their haven comp with s0m on viper skuba on KJ
i'd rather have an americas smokes player i think they'd actually fit the vibe of nrg better than keiko especially since most of nrg is from tier 2 and knows the tier 2 scene well
bleakkkkkkk [#11]Bruh who tf you think you are huh anit no way keiko resigning my guy
Idk man, if I got an offer from a champs winning team that needed a replacement, I'd take that shit in a heartbeat.
vollizie [#14]Idk man, if I got an offer from a champs winning team that needed a replacement, I'd take that shit in a heartbeat.
Especially considering that apparently NA is the highest paying region
temi [#15]Especially considering that apparently NA is the highest paying region
True. Really the only downside is having to live in LA 🤢🤮
vollizie [#14]Idk man, if I got an offer from a champs winning team that needed a replacement, I'd take that shit in a heartbeat.
most players seem to prefer to play in their home region though
Congo1 [#18]most players seem to prefer to play in their home region though
he's young.. he can move for a year for the right amount
Congo1 [#18]most players seem to prefer to play in their home region though
True
vollizie [#14]Idk man, if I got an offer from a champs winning team that needed a replacement, I'd take that shit in a heartbeat.
Liquid performed better whole year outside of Champs. Its very possible that NRG goes back to irrelevancy next season.
KGad03 [#2]Icebox instantly becomes NRG's worst map if this happens
Skuba viper keiko kj
patuj [#21]Liquid performed better whole year outside of Champs. Its very possible that NRG goes back to irrelevancy next season.
NRG’s one win outdoes all of TL’s entire season given the fact they didn’t make it out of playoffs even once
shrike- [#23]NRG’s one win outdoes all of TL’s entire season given the fact they didn’t make it out of playoffs even once
At least TL made it to events consistently. NRG did nothing outside of Champs and they still haven't shown consistency.
Congo1 [#17]If keiko went to NA i would bomb Americas studio with no remorse
I agree 💯
patuj [#24]At least TL made it to events consistently. NRG did nothing outside of Champs and they still haven't shown consistency.
what good is consistency if you get nothing in the end
shrike- [#26]what good is consistency if you get nothing in the end
At least you get into international events and have a chance at winning. NRG qualified and won Champs, but outside of that they did nothing and were stuck in Americas. Where Keiko with TL got to compete in Bangkok and Toronto, Mada was sitting in his home and was in Toronto as viewer. Outside of Champs NRG was pretty much meme team and who knows can they continue qualifying next year.
KGad03 [#2]Icebox instantly becomes NRG's worst map if this happens
or or or maybe they could change comps because of the recent developments and play double ini with a duelist instead of their weird ahh comp
patuj [#27]At least you get into international events and have a chance at winning. NRG qualified and won Champs, but outside of that they did nothing and were stuck in Americas. Where Keiko with TL got to compete in Bangkok and Toronto, Mada was sitting in his home and was in Toronto as viewer. Outside of Champs NRG was pretty much meme team and who knows can they continue qualifying next year.
keiko got to compete in all three events and was on a flight home days after all three of them began
TL is still known as a meme team who is incapable of showing any international capabilities and peaking as a domestic farmer
NRG outside of champs have done nothing, TL to this day have done nothing
shrike- [#29]keiko got to compete in all three events and was on a flight home days after all three of them began
TL is still known as a meme team who is incapable of showing any international capabilities and peaking as a domestic farmer
NRG outside of champs have done nothing, TL to this day have done nothing
TL still beat teams NRG couldn't and were the better team for whole year outside of Champs. Bangkok they performed like expected and eliminated America's 2nd seed that qualified over NRG. Also TL got unlucky in Toronto with nAts' late visa. TL underperformed in Champs but that's about it.
patuj [#30]TL still beat teams NRG couldn't and were the better team for whole year outside of Champs. Bangkok they performed like expected and eliminated America's 2nd seed that qualified over NRG. Also TL got unlucky in Toronto with nAts' late visa. TL underperformed in Champs but that's about it.
While some would argue about liquid having a better overally year, this nrg roster (with skuba) got top 8 at ewc, 2nd in americas and 1st at champs. They are obviously better than liquid were at any point this year lol
patuj [#30]TL still beat teams NRG couldn't and were the better team for whole year outside of Champs. Bangkok they performed like expected and eliminated America's 2nd seed that qualified over NRG. Also TL got unlucky in Toronto with nAts' late visa. TL underperformed in Champs but that's about it.
TL still beat teams NRG couldn't and were the better team for whole year outside of Champs
and yet they still have nothing to show for it; the organization has not seen an international playoffs since 2023
Naur [#31]While some would argue about liquid having a better overally year, this nrg roster (with skuba) got top 8 at ewc, 2nd in americas and 1st at champs. They are obviously better than liquid were at any point this year lol
TL: 5th-6th in Bangkok, Toronto 9th-10th(but like I said nAts' visa issue), 2nd and 1st in EMEA. But yeah obviously NRG had higher peak, but like I said outside of that they were below TL whole year and were irrelevant.
shrike- [#32]TL still beat teams NRG couldn't and were the better team for whole year outside of Champs
and yet they still have nothing to show for it; the organization has not seen an international playoffs since 2023
And this is why we look at the whole year instead of one event. Reality is that TL were relevant team for pretty much whole 2025 while NRG was relevant only for like 1 month. Do we call guys like Aspas and Chronicle goats just because of the amount of events they've won? Not really. Its all about their consistency throughout years. TL might have not won events or made it deep but at least they qualified there consistently. But maybe we just value different things.
patuj [#34]And this is why we look at the whole year instead of one event. Reality is that TL were relevant team for pretty much whole 2025 while NRG was relevant only for like 1 month. Do we call guys like Aspas and Chronicle goats just because of the amount of events they've won? Not really. Its all about their consistency throughout years. TL might have not won events or made it deep but at least they qualified there consistently. But maybe we just value different things.
TL might have not won events or made it deep but at least they qualified there consistently.
for an organization like TL if that’s what you’re satisfied with then i really don’t know what to tell you
and trophies alone don’t make goat status but getting grouped at every international certainly doesn’t help their case
patuj [#34]And this is why we look at the whole year instead of one event. Reality is that TL were relevant team for pretty much whole 2025 while NRG was relevant only for like 1 month. Do we call guys like Aspas and Chronicle goats just because of the amount of events they've won? Not really. Its all about their consistency throughout years. TL might have not won events or made it deep but at least they qualified there consistently. But maybe we just value different things.
I get what you're saying tbf liquid did have a more consistent year for sure, I think its just a lot of people have higher stocks on the nrg team going into next year than the liquid team especially if you replaced s0m with a cryo, bang or keiko
patuj [#24]At least TL made it to events consistently. NRG did nothing outside of Champs and they still haven't shown consistency.
hahaha this guy is seriously trying to argue that liquid had a better year than the literal world champions
Congo1 [#17]If keiko went to NA i would bomb Americas studio with no remorse
rip the 150 sen fans and 5 kru fans in there
Congo1 [#17]If keiko went to NA i would bomb Americas studio with no remorse
Osama bin Cogo
keener1600 [#38]hahaha this guy is seriously trying to argue that liquid had a better year than the literal world champions
In terms of consistency yes and its not even close. You could have had TL vs NRG at any point in the year and TL would have been the favorites. Same as like MIBR. They got destroyed by Liquid in Toronto and them making a run in Champ doesn't change that. At no point has NRG shown consistency beyond single event.
patuj [#41]In terms of consistency yes and its not even close. You could have had TL vs NRG at any point in the year and TL would have been the favorites. Same as like MIBR. They got destroyed by Liquid in Toronto and them making a run in Champ doesn't change that. At no point has NRG shown consistency beyond single event.
Yeah no one gives a shit. Liquid got grouped at all 3 events this year. NRG won a whole championship and made playoffs at EWC. NRG had the better year and thats why Keiko left your shitty ass team who has been irrelevant in Val for its entire existence. 👍
keener1600 [#44]Yeah no one gives a shit. Liquid got grouped at all 3 events this year. NRG won a whole championship and made playoffs at EWC. NRG had the better year and thats why Keiko left your shitty ass team who has been irrelevant in Val for its entire existence. 👍
Mad or what? Fluking at end of year means nothing Rather get grouped in all 3 events than only making it in one of them. TL was more relevant team for whole year and that is just facts.
patuj [#45]Mad or what? Fluking at end of year means nothing Rather get grouped in all 3 events than only making it in one of them. TL was more relevant team for whole year and that is just facts.
hahaha how delusional are you? you would rather get grouped at all 3 events than win worlds? your org has never won anything in valo or any esport in the last few years. you should be yearning for trophies not measly group stage finishes
patuj [#45]Mad or what? Fluking at end of year means nothing Rather get grouped in all 3 events than only making it in one of them. TL was more relevant team for whole year and that is just facts.
except nrg won in one of those events so it’s not really a good comparison
keener1600 [#46]hahaha how delusional are you? you would rather get grouped at all 3 events than win worlds? your org has never won anything in valo or any esport in the last few years. you should be yearning for trophies not measly group stage finishes
Why you talk about "my org" like I cared for shit what TL has won or not. I'm not part of any team, neither are you. Just stating the obvious that TL has been top team and relevant one for pretty much whole of 2025 while NRG was more of meme team before Champs. Team that makes it to 3 internationals in a year shows consistency. And even if they got grouped they showed in each event that they belong there by beating similar level teams or having close games vs better opponents. NRG is yet to show consistency as they've only qualified for 1 event. Consistency is what makes teams/players great, not just winning single event.
patuj [#48]Why you talk about "my org" like I cared for shit what TL has won or not. I'm not part of any team, neither are you. Just stating the obvious that TL has been top team and relevant one for pretty much whole of 2025 while NRG was more of meme team before Champs. Team that makes it to 3 internationals in a year shows consistency. And even if they got grouped they showed in each event that they belong there by beating similar level teams or having close games vs better opponents. NRG is yet to show consistency as they've only qualified for 1 event. Consistency is what makes teams/players great, not just winning single event.
getting grouped at 3 events does not make you relevant. It makes you consistently mediocre and dogshit. There are literally so many teams that have been more relevant and consistent than Liquid:
Fnatic
G2
Geng
DRX
PRX
Heretics
Sen
NRG
When people look back at 2025 theyll remember teams like T1, Prx, and NRG.
Not a single person unless theyre a moron like you will remember TL.
patuj [#48]Why you talk about "my org" like I cared for shit what TL has won or not. I'm not part of any team, neither are you. Just stating the obvious that TL has been top team and relevant one for pretty much whole of 2025 while NRG was more of meme team before Champs. Team that makes it to 3 internationals in a year shows consistency. And even if they got grouped they showed in each event that they belong there by beating similar level teams or having close games vs better opponents. NRG is yet to show consistency as they've only qualified for 1 event. Consistency is what makes teams/players great, not just winning single event.
also if Liquid is as consistent and relevant as youre saying then explain to me why nAts is the only active player on the team and your star player has joined NRG?
Seems weird. Your logic seems off.
keener1600 [#49]getting grouped at 3 events does not make you relevant. It makes you consistently mediocre and dogshit. There are literally so many teams that have been more relevant and consistent than Liquid:
Fnatic
G2
Geng
DRX
PRX
Heretics
Sen
NRGWhen people look back at 2025 theyll remember teams like T1, Prx, and NRG.
Not a single person unless theyre a moron like you will remember TL.
It literally makes them relevant. Team winning regionally and in general qualifying to events is relevant. Also funny you mention teams like SEN who have looked worse than Liquid, T1 that no one cares about after one flukey tournament win, GENG one event playoff this year and no other qualification. Also you talk like TL was shit in international events when they were not even close being the worse in any event outside of maybe Champs. Beat SEN, MIBR, close game vs PRX, visa issue at start of Toronto, usually eliminated by top team like PRX or G2.
patuj [#51]It literally makes them relevant. Team winning regionally and in general qualifying to events is relevant. Also funny you mention teams like SEN who have looked worse than Liquid, T1 that no one cares about after one flukey tournament win, GENG one event playoff this year and no other qualification. Also you talk like TL was shit in international events when they were not even close being the worse in any event outside of maybe Champs. Beat SEN, MIBR, close game vs PRX, visa issue at start of Toronto, usually eliminated by top team like PRX or G2.
Dunno why we’re arguing this hard over relevancy and consistency when it doesn’t really matter
keiko isn’t looking to be relevant or consistent, he’s looking to win, which is why he’s going to a team that has won
most players who have that passion feel the same way
patuj [#51]It literally makes them relevant. Team winning regionally and in general qualifying to events is relevant. Also funny you mention teams like SEN who have looked worse than Liquid, T1 that no one cares about after one flukey tournament win, GENG one event playoff this year and no other qualification. Also you talk like TL was shit in international events when they were not even close being the worse in any event outside of maybe Champs. Beat SEN, MIBR, close game vs PRX, visa issue at start of Toronto, usually eliminated by top team like PRX or G2.
dude no one cares about teams that get grouped. people only remember the teams that make deep runs or win trophies. even if T1 fell off after Bangkok they are infinitely more relevant than Liquid. Competitors want to join teams that can win trophies not qualify to events and get grouped every time. youre actually such a moron its not even worth explaining to you why youre wrong.
keener1600 [#54]dude no one cares about teams that get grouped. people only remember the teams that make deep runs or win trophies. even if T1 fell off after Bangkok they are infinitely more relevant than Liquid. Competitors want to join teams that can win trophies not qualify to events and get grouped every time. youre actually such a moron its not even worth explaining to you why youre wrong.
TL were expected to do better tho. Multiple people were counting them as one of the favourites for Champs for example and always had the chances of making it out of groups in every event and likely would have in Toronto if they didnt have visa issues. If that isnt relevant then idk what is. Qualifying to every event is consistency, and expectations of potential runs in international events is relevancy. NRG didnt have either one until Champs.
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