the new king of hell moment was vs fnc not prx

the thing is we'll never truly know how quickly they'd adapt to the map pool and skye nerfs, although seeing the difference in their map pool between tokyo and champs I'd say yeah they probably win madrid if they stuck together

they already locked playoffs off the back of vit flopping and navi trolling their breeze comp, now all they need to do is beat bbl/liquid and kc and they’re through. None of the teams in their group are as good as navi/fut/heretics but this format is so shit that it doesn’t matter

they ain’t winning but they could easily qualify because they’re in the fraud group, just have to beat liquid/bbl and kc

bro it makes it worse that fnc has 2 trophies with this exact roster and are so shit, at least with nrg you can cope and say ethan igl is a failed experiment, fnc just randomly fell off a cliff

why are they not good? Kru looks like a very solid all around team with good fundamentals, midrounding and firepower whereas eg have really good macro ideas and teamplay, a star duelist who's getting back in top form and great antistratting, although they have a bad tendency of throwing rounds at times. You've shown 0 evidence or even stated arguments for why you even think they're bad teams, you just keep saying it over and over expecting people to believe you

well the ranking is for right now and right now nrg look like ass mostly because ethan isn't a good igl, I think he's a great support player but he can't call an attack round to save his life

c9 are the second biggest frauds in americas after nrg, they just had a really lucky schedule where they played lev and loud in some of their worst form ever. Also lev still have some consistency issues compared to kru, when they're on they look like the best team itw but for example their icebox vs g2 was rough with a lot of mistakes. EG and loud are both on upswings in form too. imo currently it goes:

1. Kru
2. Lev
3. 100t
4. EG
5. Loud
6. G2
7. Sen
8. C9
9. NRG
10. Furia
11. MIBR

hotter take: eg in their current form are the best na team and are still improving, unfortunately they took too long to wake up and likely won't make playoffs because loud also woke up

yeah this is actually worse than acend

if they keep playing like they did vs c9 they're making shanghai

if they lose to navi they're almost 100% out

actually embarrassing, when someone asks why sen fans get hate show them this thread

I'm not even a sen fan, I couldn't care less, it's just embarrassing to see. Go ahead and do it, I'm sure you'd win champs bringing in verno in june lol

I guess I wouldn't blame you but you just forgot about what happened last year? Ask for roster moves after every setback and see where it gets you, you absolute fucking moron.

rob moore is turning sen fans into little versions of himself, grim

sen fans are hilarious bro

-fitinho 4k on split vs edg
-jinggg 1hp ace
-cove
-kangkang 1v2 vs giants
-semen1 knives vs fnc and furia

inspire with teammates who appreciate him

20 is more ps5s than there are ps5 games bro

demon1 is so cringe when he tries to play the heel you can tell he’s not actually a bad person

overall level of play this year is fucking abysmal tbh, I blame the late skye nerfs and the dogshit map pool

I love how even the most deluded emea frogs don’t rate navi anymore

KRU>SEN, they look way more consistent

fnc still could miss playoffs even if kc go 2-4 if they lose 2-0 to navi and liquid beat m8 2-0 but I understand not wanting to leave things up to liquid

kc’s mid/late round decisions baffle me sometimes, maybe it’s because magnum isn’t an experienced igl

boostio arguably has too much aura

enggh literally got some of the most cracked rookies from emea and na tier 2 just like heretics did wtf do you mean mid players

isn’t mw in charge of building the roster? He’s in a prison of his own design

jawgemo is cambodian so we already had a trophy, 2 in a row from different teams is crazy though

they're not gonna scrim with a team that hasn't signed them ffs, I know the average age on this website is like 14 but come the fuck on

dude this is massive cope, how tf would a team have a player who isn't even sure he can join the team scrim with them? They're not signed and they're not gonna do it for free. Idk why you're so committed to denying basic facts, sen won fair and square, all I'm saying is the idea that all the other teams were simply too lazy to work in the offseason is wrong

the teams weren't even sure they could get them until late december how tf could they scrim with them?

for fnc sure but the americas teams who got eg players literally couldn't because of the contract jail

you'll never be goatz

we're literally talking about the frag record dumbass

flag

harder to get frags on? Mindfreak no question

difference is those guys play duelist, at least on some maps

what was your thought last year after eg beat prx 3-1?

I mean you deserve a huge advantage for winning through uppers, usually in games that don't take 4 hours for a bo5 the team from lowers straight up has to win twice. My issue with double map ban is that how good it is really depends on how much the top 2 teams' map pools overlap, look at how effective it was in tokyo vs champs for example

this is the list

this is just an attempt to bait eu surely

I'm convinced sen fans live in a different world than normal people do

unironically geng players choking because of the pressure

the korean hating community isn't relevant to this conversation

do val fans know what choking means?

davai most underrated for me, him and f0rsaken are the lifeblood of prx imo

sen, geng isn't even a team with a lot of fans or anything so the haters can still shit on prx and drx fans

because they lose some blowout maps and win some really close ones. Look at their loud game at champs for example, win a 13-10 and an ot map and lose a 13-2 on split. Same with grand finals losing 13-5 on bind, shit like that tends to lower ratings a lot