Trent

Saw a terrible top 20 list just now that ranked trent below the top 20 players of the year, so just need to clarify something with these stats:

trent was the 4th highest rated player in VCT this year
trent was a 2x regional MVP
trent was a 3x regional winner
trent 1.21 rating at Bangkok (tied for 2nd, 1st overall for playoffs)
trent 1.17 rating at Toronto (tied 4th, tied 1st overall for playoff rating)
trent 0.98 rating at Champs (undoubtedly a bad event, not as bad as some other players on this list’s lowest lows)

This is not a top 20 player apparently

Stick to being a discord mod, tr0nt when it mattera doesnt show up like the rest of the bums so G2 Golden Era is now a piss era.

Top 20? Yeah you're prob right. Top 5 (you mentioned in the other thread)? No way, there's too many other options. He was good, but obviously the tejo nerfs hurt his performance a good bit. But I wouldn't even say the was the best player on G2, I think that goes to valyn.

Blind delusion and bias is very common within people's rankings

mousecop [#3]

Top 20? Yeah you're prob right. Top 5 (you mentioned in the other thread)? No way, there's too many other options. He was good, but obviously the tejo nerfs hurt his performance a good bit. But I wouldn't even say the was the best player on G2, I think that goes to valyn.

tejo nerfs didn’t hurt his performance on sova and fade

SamNuho [#2]

Stick to being a discord mod, tr0nt when it mattera doesnt show up like the rest of the bums so G2 Golden Era is now a piss era.

trent hasn’t disappeared in elimination games this year lol

SamNuho [#2]

Stick to being a discord mod, tr0nt when it mattera doesnt show up like the rest of the bums so G2 Golden Era is now a piss era.

Don’t understand how this is a take when they won all three regional trophies and got two international top 4s and a top 8

catNmouse [#5]

tejo nerfs didn’t hurt his performance on sova and fade

Compare his performance in kickoff/bangkok/stage 1 to the rest of the year and you can clearly see that he was a less efficient initiator overall. Obviously he's very good at the role and good as sova/fade, but there was a strong case that he was the best tejo player in the world while he was still meta, whereas there are serveral other players who were just as good, likely better at scan initiator.

idk abt the world but trent has been one of the best sovas in americas for a looong time

SamNuho [#2]

Stick to being a discord mod, tr0nt when it mattera doesnt show up like the rest of the bums so G2 Golden Era is now a piss era.

I’ve never been a discord mod on any server lol

mousecop [#8]

Compare his performance in kickoff/bangkok/stage 1 to the rest of the year and you can clearly see that he was a less efficient initiator overall. Obviously he's very good at the role and good as sova/fade, but there was a strong case that he was the best tejo player in the world while he was still meta, whereas there are serveral other players who were just as good, likely better at scan initiator.

Who was better than him on sova/fade at Toronto? You do realize Trent is by far the highest rated sova this year? It’s not even close

Did you even look at the Toronto stats I posted?

notallwhowander [#9]

idk abt the world but trent has been one of the best sovas in americas for a looong time

I’m not taking anyone over him on Sova in 2025, not even brawk, respectfully. Statistically he was in Leo territory on Sova this year, im not gonna let coaching staff griefing him by putting him on perma tejo take that away from me

top 3 4 sure and i dont fw trent that much

JonahPork [#11]

Who was better than him on sova/fade at Toronto? You do realize Trent is by far the highest rated sova this year? It’s not even close

Did you even look at the Toronto stats I posted?

Yeah he was the best initiator at toronto based on stats, now read my post. Then, you should consider the whole season, not cherry pick his best events. Also, compare those stats with his stats on Tejo, and go watch some vods too, his impact on tejo was never surpasses by any other agent he played. I'm literally agreeing with you that he's top 20 but you have his meat so far down you're throat you somehow think I'm dissing him.

throughout the year i actually cant think of anyone thats consistently been better if you dont him have in your top 3 thats just max recency bias

I have made changes to my list u can review them now , I forgot abt him and started baiting he has been the best ini player this year no competition

mousecop [#14]

Yeah he was the best initiator at toronto based on stats, now read my post. Then, you should consider the whole season, not cherry pick his best events. Also, compare those stats with his stats on Tejo, and go watch some vods too, his impact on tejo was never surpasses by any other agent he played. I'm literally agreeing with you that he's top 20 but you have his meat so far down you're throat you somehow think I'm dissing him.

Yeah you are dissing him tho by considering him any less than top 5, you deadass said he’s worse than valyn when there’s no criteria that would support that argument

I think it’s best if you just post your top 5, it’d be easier for me to debunk that

z4kr9 [#16]

I have made changes to my list u can review them now , I forgot abt him and started baiting he has been the best ini player this year no competition

Yea your list is respectable now good stuff

JonahPork [#18]

Yea your list is respectable now good stuff

yo check the list 5 minutes later gonna make some changes and no its not removing trent from the list btw treat it as a community event type thing see what else u disagree with and say it in the thread

Champions always overshadows the entire season, maybe not for us vct nerds, but for the masses its what defines that year. There are plenty of people who thinks that the best player of 2023 was Demon1, best player of 2024 was Zmjjkk, best player of 2025 was brawk

FNC 2023 was overshadowed, LOUD 2023... (o7 cow ahn zeen and t0yz), GENG 2024 was heavily overshadowed, T1 2025 sounds like it happened 300 years ago, G2 2025 heavily overshadowed, PRX already back to being crypto throwers. Thats why you HAVE to win Champions

JonahPork [#17]

Yeah you are dissing him tho by considering him any less than top 5, you deadass said he’s worse than valyn when there’s no criteria that would support that argument

I think it’s best if you just post your top 5, it’d be easier for me to debunk that

Bro saying he's not top 5 out of what, 240 players and some change, is not a diss. Also, your "debunk" of a top 5 (i don't even have a top 5, sry) is obviously going to be bias anyways. You clearly value stats over accolades (i.e someone could list all 5 nrg players as top 5 and not necessarily be wrong) plus there's so much that goes on in the server that we don't see on the rating page that we can really only speculate.

mousecop [#21]

Bro saying he's not top 5 out of what, 240 players and some change, is not a diss. Also, your "debunk" of a top 5 (i don't even have a top 5, sry) is obviously going to be bias anyways. You clearly value stats over accolades (i.e someone could list all 5 nrg players as top 5 and not necessarily be wrong) plus there's so much that goes on in the server that we don't see on the rating page that we can really only speculate.

I value individual accolades not team accolades, I don’t want that to get twisted

Trent is like the Riens of americas

glittering_yard [#20]

Champions always overshadows the entire season, maybe not for us vct nerds, but for the masses its what defines that year. There are plenty of people who thinks that the best player of 2023 was Demon1, best player of 2024 was Zmjjkk, best player of 2025 was brawk

FNC 2023 was overshadowed, LOUD 2023... (o7 cow ahn zeen and t0yz), GENG 2024 was heavily overshadowed, T1 2025 sounds like it happened 300 years ago, G2 2025 heavily overshadowed, PRX already back to being crypto throwers. Thats why you HAVE to win Champions

FNC 2025 overshadowed …..

Wolfed [#23]

Trent is like the Riens of americas

Another very great player held back by choker teammates

SamNuho [#2]

Stick to being a discord mod, tr0nt when it mattera doesnt show up like the rest of the bums so G2 Golden Era is now a piss era.

lost all 3 finals u were in btw ROFL

glittering_yard [#20]

Champions always overshadows the entire season, maybe not for us vct nerds, but for the masses its what defines that year. There are plenty of people who thinks that the best player of 2023 was Demon1, best player of 2024 was Zmjjkk, best player of 2025 was brawk

FNC 2023 was overshadowed, LOUD 2023... (o7 cow ahn zeen and t0yz), GENG 2024 was heavily overshadowed, T1 2025 sounds like it happened 300 years ago, G2 2025 heavily overshadowed, PRX already back to being crypto throwers. Thats why you HAVE to win Champions

NOBODY thinks best player of 2025 was brawk be real

JonahPork [#22]

I value individual accolades not team accolades, I don’t want that to get twisted

Well then his accolades better not be the stats you listed, there's no award for highest rated sova. And since you put so much value on this, how much of trent's rating is coming from his impact as an initiator and not other factors? like, can you tell me exactly what percentage of trents 1.21 rating at bangkok was purely derived from trents initiator skill and not from kills/adr/survival/simply winning matches?

mousecop [#28]

Well then his accolades better not be the stats you listed, there's no award for highest rated sova. And since you put so much value on this, how much of trent's rating is coming from his impact as an initiator and not other factors? like, can you tell me exactly what percentage of trents 1.21 rating at bangkok was purely derived from trents initiator skill and not from kills/adr/survival/simply winning matches?

The point isn’t that he has individual accolades, it’s that there’s only 3 players that do this year. So if you want to say that those players are better than him this year, you can do that. But as far as players lacking those accolades go, he’s at the top of that list

And there’s no way to measure impact from utility with stats, but kills matter just as much if not more. This is fundamentally understood by the community when we rank players like Leo as the pinnacle of initiator gameplay

glittering_yard [#20]

Champions always overshadows the entire season, maybe not for us vct nerds, but for the masses its what defines that year. There are plenty of people who thinks that the best player of 2023 was Demon1, best player of 2024 was Zmjjkk, best player of 2025 was brawk

FNC 2023 was overshadowed, LOUD 2023... (o7 cow ahn zeen and t0yz), GENG 2024 was heavily overshadowed, T1 2025 sounds like it happened 300 years ago, G2 2025 heavily overshadowed, PRX already back to being crypto throwers. Thats why you HAVE to win Champions

Idk maybe I’m just not idiotic enough to fall for this champs propaganda but I don’t believe in any of those statements.

2023 - best player is Leo, best team is FNC
2024 - best player is t3xture or aspas, best team is GenG
2025 - best player is f0rsaken or trent, best team is PRX

JonahPork [#30]

Idk maybe I’m just not idiotic enough to fall for this champs propaganda but I don’t believe in any of those statements.

2023 - best player is Leo, best team is FNC
2024 - best player is t3xture or aspas, best team is GenG
2025 - best player is f0rsaken or trent, best team is PRX

maybe not for us vct nerds, but for the masses its what defines that year

brawk got nominated for "esports player of the year" at Esports Awards... Champs is just that heavy

SamNuho [#2]

Stick to being a discord mod, tr0nt when it mattera doesnt show up like the rest of the bums so G2 Golden Era is now a piss era.

Same amount of trophies as fnatic this year 😭😭😭😭

uwukitten [#27]

NOBODY thinks best player of 2025 was brawk be real

#31

SamNuho [#2]

Stick to being a discord mod, tr0nt when it mattera doesnt show up like the rest of the bums so G2 Golden Era is now a piss era.

wheres botnatic?

Wolfed [#24]

FNC 2025 overshadowed …..

at least kaajak is getting a lot of flowers as they've reached Champs Grand Finals

glittering_yard [#31]

maybe not for us vct nerds, but for the masses its what defines that year

brawk got nominated for "esports player of the year" at Esports Awards... Champs is just that heavy

Forsaken also got nominated

JonahPork [#29]

The point isn’t that he has individual accolades, it’s that there’s only 3 players that do this year. So if you want to say that those players are better than him this year, you can do that. But as far as players lacking those accolades go, he’s at the top of that list

And there’s no way to measure impact from utility with stats, but kills matter just as much if not more. This is fundamentally understood by the community when we rank players like Leo as the pinnacle of initiator gameplay

Trent is a good player on a good team, of course he has good stats. Leo not only had these things, but had the trophies to show for it, Fnatics 2023 run is what made him legendary. Hence why there are many other players that can be justifiably ranked higher than trent this year.

glittering_yard [#31]

maybe not for us vct nerds, but for the masses its what defines that year

brawk got nominated for "esports player of the year" at Esports Awards... Champs is just that heavy

mickey mouse award btw, meaningless

mousecop [#37]

Trent is a good player on a good team, of course he has good stats. Leo not only had these things, but had the trophies to show for it, Fnatics 2023 run is what made him legendary. Hence why there are many other players that can be justifiably ranked higher than trent this year.

Trent is the best player on his team, that’s why he has good stats, not vice versa. Leo was a great player before he joined FNATIC, he didn’t need trophies to prove that. The trophies are just the cherry on top. VCT fans are weirdly unable to make this distinction.

Wolfed [#38]

mickey mouse award btw, meaningless

yeah, it a weird award, but it tells you a little bit of how the mainstream media perceives VCT and the weight of Champions, just like LOL Worlds and CS Majors

glittering_yard [#40]

yeah, it a weird award, but it tells you a little bit of how the mainstream media perceives VCT and the weight of Champions, just like LOL Worlds and CS Majors

I don’t think champs is comparable to Worlds

glittering_yard [#33]

#31

that award means nothing in terms of prestige, no one is gonna remember brawk as the guy who got nominated for esports player of the year

JonahPork [#41]

I don’t think champs is comparable to Worlds

Its very comparable, as Riot follows a similar design of product for both VCT and LOL esports, the prestige that they give to those events and their winners, the opening ceremonies for Grand Finals and how the entire season is built like a Road to Champions or Road to Worlds

In VCT you spend the entire season, Kickoff, Masters 1, Stage 1, Masters 2, Stage 2, collecting "Championship Points" to qualify for Champions

JonahPork [#39]

Trent is the best player on his team, that’s why he has good stats, not vice versa. Leo was a great player before he joined FNATIC, he didn’t need trophies to prove that. The trophies are just the cherry on top. VCT fans are weirdly unable to make this distinction.

the reason why he said valyn was better is probably because he's an igl and he still drags pretty heavily with decent util. and honestly on G2 there's an argument to be made for any of them to be the best on their team, e. g jawg won champs before, jonahp can do well on a large amt of agents.
and I would honestly barely consider Trent top 10 this year, 0 int trophies despite being favourites at every event while winning Amer league? his stats may be good but any players stats are good when their team is winning, and since the competition in Amer was so top heavy it was a literal stat farm most of the time.
while Leo was definitely a great player before he joined FNC, U can't tell me that if didn't join FNC and just joined a mediocre emea team he would have had the same impact he did on FNC, and no one would be glazing him as much if not for the trophies AND the stats.

the final argument against Trent top 5 is also just how many great players there was this year. something popped near the end of the year and all of prx besides maybe patmen went through role swaps to help them win Toronto. kaajak proved to be incredible in his rookie year despite not winning, and he was better than Trent in 2/3 events they both played(ewc Mickey mouse tho). chronicle was great this year, mada, zekken, and so many others also did well, performing INDIVIDUALLY better than Trent, in WORSER team environments where most of them didn't have 5 thanoses on their team. and alot of these players have titles too, so having a trophy on the shelf definitely impacts how highly Ur rated, and Trent simply doesn't have that

glittering_yard [#43]

Its very comparable, as Riot follows a similar design of product for both VCT and LOL esports, the prestige that they give to those events and their winners, the opening ceremonies for Grand Finals and how the entire season is built like a Road to Champions or Road to Worlds

In VCT you spend the entire season, Kickoff, Masters 1, Stage 1, Masters 2, Stage 2, collecting "Championship Points" to qualify for Champions

See that’s my issue, champs is not comparable to worlds because the lesser events are not comparable. MSI winners don’t get half the respect worlds winners do, people call Chovy a choker all the time. If someone won 2 masters in Valorant, people would put that player in GOAT convos

SamNuho [#2]

Stick to being a discord mod, tr0nt when it mattera doesnt show up like the rest of the bums so G2 Golden Era is now a piss era.

glassic flair take

JonahPork [#45]

See that’s my issue, champs is not comparable to worlds because the lesser events are not comparable. MSI winners don’t get half the respect worlds winners do, people call Chovy a choker all the time. If someone won 2 masters in Valorant, people would put that player in GOAT convos

Well, i think thats only because in VCT most of the Champions winners fell off hard like Acend, EG and some LOUD and EDG players, from LOUD there is aspas that remained consistent and many consider him to be the GOAT, even tho he "only" won Champions

Ethan was not even a considered a top 15 player of all time, maybe not even a top 20 player of all time. Suddenly he becomes the first to win 2 Champions and now they're putting him as a top 3 player of all time. Look at Ethan in the poll that I did 2 days ago: https://strawpoll.com/BDyNz1N3OyR/results

Riot also doesnt consider Masters winners as World Champions too, they are called only "Masters winners". But the title you get for winning Champions is "2025 VCT Champion", you win the whole year. I understand that you and many people might not see Champions that much more valuable than Masters. But thats the way it is in every esport and sport, there are trophies and THE biggest trophy

And with the way that Riot manages their esports scenes, that probably wont change because its what works best as a product of entertainment

Marii [#32]

Same amount of trophies as fnatic this year 😭😭😭😭

G2 had 1 more???

mousecop [#3]

Top 20? Yeah you're prob right. Top 5 (you mentioned in the other thread)? No way, there's too many other options. He was good, but obviously the tejo nerfs hurt his performance a good bit. But I wouldn't even say the was the best player on G2, I think that goes to valyn.

Yeah tejo nerfs took him from top 1 to top 20

Link me that Tier list now. I need to have some words with the creator

SamNuho [#2]

Stick to being a discord mod, tr0nt when it mattera doesnt show up like the rest of the bums so G2 Golden Era is now a piss era.

talking about not showing up on the most important moment when yall lost 3 grand finals is hilarious

mousecop [#28]

Well then his accolades better not be the stats you listed, there's no award for highest rated sova. And since you put so much value on this, how much of trent's rating is coming from his impact as an initiator and not other factors? like, can you tell me exactly what percentage of trents 1.21 rating at bangkok was purely derived from trents initiator skill and not from kills/adr/survival/simply winning matches?

nah you are legit zellsis worded, trent has been regarded as one of the best sovas in americas since before franchising even started and your dumbass is acting like he sucks on sova or something

backslider [#7]

Don’t understand how this is a take when they won all three regional trophies and got two international top 4s and a top 8

I mean, G2 disappointed a little I feel like? They were considered favourites for every tournament this year. Managed one 2nd place and then not even top 3 in the other 2 (where they were even more overwhelming favourites, I feel like) - still a fantastic year don't get me wrong though, but a little disappointing no?

Roly05 [#53]

I mean, G2 disappointed a little I feel like? They were considered favourites for every tournament this year. Managed one 2nd place and then not even top 3 in the other 2 (where they were even more overwhelming favourites, I feel like) - still a fantastic year don't get me wrong though, but a little disappointing no?

100% they disappointed themselves their fans and the entire valorant fanbase

But it was a fantastic year not a piss era nor are they bums who can’t show up when it matters

glittering_yard [#47]

Well, i think thats only because in VCT most of the Champions winners fell off hard like Acend, EG and some LOUD and EDG players, from LOUD there is aspas that remained consistent and many consider him to be the GOAT, even tho he "only" won Champions

Ethan was not even a considered a top 15 player of all time, maybe not even a top 20 player of all time. Suddenly he becomes the first to win 2 Champions and now they're putting him as a top 3 player of all time. Look at Ethan in the poll that I did 2 days ago: https://strawpoll.com/BDyNz1N3OyR/results

Riot also doesnt consider Masters winners as World Champions too, they are called only "Masters winners". But the title you get for winning Champions is "2025 VCT Champion", you win the whole year. I understand that you and many people might not see Champions that much more valuable than Masters. But thats the way it is in every esport and sport, there are trophies and THE biggest trophy

And with the way that Riot manages their esports scenes, that probably wont change because its what works best as a product of entertainment

Anyone who puts ethan in their top 5 all time let along 3 can safely have their valorant opinions disregarded (and this is coming from a big ethan fan)

you could actually make a case for mvp for trent this year no idea who would put him outside of top 20

serot [#52]

nah you are legit zellsis worded, trent has been regarded as one of the best sovas in americas since before franchising even started and your dumbass is acting like he sucks on sova or something

At least read my post cause I legit said he was one of the best initiators and a top 20 player this year. Idk why that isn't good enough for yall you guys glaze so heavy

zephyrara [#44]

the reason why he said valyn was better is probably because he's an igl and he still drags pretty heavily with decent util. and honestly on G2 there's an argument to be made for any of them to be the best on their team, e. g jawg won champs before, jonahp can do well on a large amt of agents.
and I would honestly barely consider Trent top 10 this year, 0 int trophies despite being favourites at every event while winning Amer league? his stats may be good but any players stats are good when their team is winning, and since the competition in Amer was so top heavy it was a literal stat farm most of the time.
while Leo was definitely a great player before he joined FNC, U can't tell me that if didn't join FNC and just joined a mediocre emea team he would have had the same impact he did on FNC, and no one would be glazing him as much if not for the trophies AND the stats.

the final argument against Trent top 5 is also just how many great players there was this year. something popped near the end of the year and all of prx besides maybe patmen went through role swaps to help them win Toronto. kaajak proved to be incredible in his rookie year despite not winning, and he was better than Trent in 2/3 events they both played(ewc Mickey mouse tho). chronicle was great this year, mada, zekken, and so many others also did well, performing INDIVIDUALLY better than Trent, in WORSER team environments where most of them didn't have 5 thanoses on their team. and alot of these players have titles too, so having a trophy on the shelf definitely impacts how highly Ur rated, and Trent simply doesn't have that

Preach