Chronicle isnt evem the goat on his own team. Alfa has beem hard carrying for so long by now. Not to mention boaster igl is why fnc still have chemistry. I remember him being ahh on m3c during chamber meta. Before clearing aspas, he has to clear f0rsaken, nats and alfajer first
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no? chronicle has 1.5mvps
masters tokyo joint mvp with alfa + lock/in mvp + 2nd highest rated player on gambit in masters berlin
The definition of goat is longevity in staying on top. No one beats chronicle there, and no one has as many thropies. Or idk if there has been even ONE international tournament MVP as a Controller/flex player. + #1 breach in the world year after year. Some Asspas having 1 wonder year and 2 years of being MID is not a goat, alfajer goat? lmao he is a great player but XD? forsaken sure goat debate. nats at the bottom of the debate just above ASSpas
Cael [#4]The definition of goat is longevity in staying on top. No one beats chronicle there, and no one has as many thropies. Or idk if there has been even ONE international tournament MVP as a Controller/flex player. + #1 breach in the world year after year. Some Asspas having 1 wonder year and 2 years of being MID is not a goat, alfajer goat? lmao he is a great player but XD? forsaken sure goat debate. nats at the bottom of the debate just above ASSpas
finally a sensible vlr user
I really want to understand who started thinking Chronicle was a scapegoat. The guy was never in the spotlight on any team he's ever played for. fnatic? alfajer, gambit ? nats. how is Chronicle? = average player XD
Cael [#4]The definition of goat is longevity in staying on top. No one beats chronicle there, and no one has as many thropies. Or idk if there has been even ONE international tournament MVP as a Controller/flex player. + #1 breach in the world year after year. Some Asspas having 1 wonder year and 2 years of being MID is not a goat, alfajer goat? lmao he is a great player but XD? forsaken sure goat debate. nats at the bottom of the debate just above ASSpas
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RzqoFoxie [#6]Leo, hands down.
Aspas in top 5 for sure
Aspas top 1, Zekken top 2, Leo top 3, Alfajer Top 4, Derke Top 5.
Good_ping_Bad_aim [#3]no? chronicle has 1.5mvps
masters tokyo joint mvp with alfa + lock/in mvp + 2nd highest rated player on gambit in masters berlin
?? leo hands down lock in mvp, literally not up for debate, and alfa hands down tokyo mvp, bro was rage peeking on cypher and still killing everyone he saw
Cael [#4]The definition of goat is longevity in staying on top. No one beats chronicle there, and no one has as many thropies. Or idk if there has been even ONE international tournament MVP as a Controller/flex player. + #1 breach in the world year after year. Some Asspas having 1 wonder year and 2 years of being MID is not a goat, alfajer goat? lmao he is a great player but XD? forsaken sure goat debate. nats at the bottom of the debate just above ASSpas
in loud = goat, in lev = goat. what shit you are talking?
Good_ping_Bad_aim [#3]no? chronicle has 1.5mvps
masters tokyo joint mvp with alfa + lock/in mvp + 2nd highest rated player on gambit in masters berlin
bro out here just giving random MVP's to Chronicle 😂 anything for the agenda i guees
bullet194 [#9]Aspas top 1, Zekken top 2, Leo top 3, Alfajer Top 4, Derke Top 5.
You can't be real, putting z0kken in top 5, let alone rank 2. I'm not debating the rest cuz everyone has their opinions but there's a limit as to how ridiculous a claim can be.
RzqoFoxie [#6]Leo, hands down.
Aspas in top 5 for sure
I would put Leo as on honorable mention his peak was astonishing. and he was changing the meta by himself he kinda paved the way on how to play sova for example and his aim so crisp but i do feel like he didn't play enough in a year or 2 he alr will propably get overshadowed.
Isnt the guy with the most silverware the goat? Like discussion ended there no? . Most Trophies (Regional and International) and putting up consistent performance is goat status its chronicle now maybe later it could be someone else. I dont understand what exactly are we looking for when we say "The goat of Valorant" if it is not the player with most trophies?.
bullet194 [#11]in loud = goat, in lev = goat. what shit you are talking?
Just because braindead ppl call him the goat doesn't make him one. Just a friendly reminder statistically there are more dumb people than smart ones. And i feel like you are one of them.
bullet194 [#7]I really want to understand who started thinking Chronicle was a scapegoat. The guy was never in the spotlight on any team he's ever played for. fnatic? alfajer, gambit ? nats. how is Chronicle? = average player XD
Look at the last 10 games for FNATIC, he’s top fragged as controller/flex for over 70% of them
bullet194 [#7]I really want to understand who started thinking Chronicle was a scapegoat. The guy was never in the spotlight on any team he's ever played for. fnatic? alfajer, gambit ? nats. how is Chronicle? = average player XD
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RzqoFoxie [#14]You can't be real, putting z0kken in top 5, let alone rank 2. I'm not debating the rest cuz everyone has their opinions but there's a limit as to how ridiculous a claim can be.
you cant debating because your opinion is from EMEA because you are from EMEA and ofc, you praise European players. not surprise. XD
pickleguy483 [#19]Look at the last 10 games for FNATIC, he’s top fragged as controller/flex for over 70% of them
Not to mention he won champs with +28KD on a controller and the fact that he is in valorant since its beggining. This guy put zekken as top 2 goat there is no point in arguing w him
Just_some_loser [#10]?? leo hands down lock in mvp, literally not up for debate, and alfa hands down tokyo mvp, bro was rage peeking on cypher and still killing everyone he saw
The "MVP Masters Tokyo" likely refers to the Valorant Masters Tokyo 2023 esports tournament, where Alfajer from Fnatic won the VLR.gg MVP award and Chronicle won the THESPIKE.gg MVP award.
and yeah mb lock in was leo i read wrong
pickleguy483 [#19]Look at the last 10 games for FNATIC, he’s top fragged as controller/flex for over 70% of them
i would say this has been his second best year in his career in terms of impact and just straight carrying his team sometimes
Icarus_101 [#17]Isnt the guy with the most silverware the goat? Like discussion ended there no? . Most Trophies (Regional and International) and putting up consistent performance is goat status its chronicle now maybe later it could be someone else. I dont understand what exactly are we looking for when we say "The goat of Valorant" if it is not the player with most trophies?.
Good_ping_Bad_aim [#3]no? chronicle has 1.5mvps
masters tokyo joint mvp with alfa + lock/in mvp + 2nd highest rated player on gambit in masters berlin
He is champs 2021 mvp if we're being real. The others idk. But he is consistently top 5 rated at most internationals he played
Icarus_101 [#17]Isnt the guy with the most silverware the goat? Like discussion ended there no? . Most Trophies (Regional and International) and putting up consistent performance is goat status its chronicle now maybe later it could be someone else. I dont understand what exactly are we looking for when we say "The goat of Valorant" if it is not the player with most trophies?.
And also one of the most consitent yet flexible guys. He will play anything and do at least decent put Asspass on anything else than jett/neon/raze and he is cooked even tho his raze is not that good
RzqoFoxie [#14]You can't be real, putting z0kken in top 5, let alone rank 2. I'm not debating the rest cuz everyone has their opinions but there's a limit as to how ridiculous a claim can be.
He is a baiter bro relax 😭
Cael [#4]The definition of goat is longevity in staying on top. No one beats chronicle there, and no one has as many thropies. Or idk if there has been even ONE international tournament MVP as a Controller/flex player. + #1 breach in the world year after year. Some Asspas having 1 wonder year and 2 years of being MID is not a goat, alfajer goat? lmao he is a great player but XD? forsaken sure goat debate. nats at the bottom of the debate just above ASSpas
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alienista1 [#25]
I dont watch basketball so my ball knowlege is very low. I watch football though
Congo1 [#28]He is a baiter bro relax 😭
I don't know if it's true, brother, there are so many idiots who talk shit and then use the excuse that it's baiting, you can't know the truth XD
Cael [#18]Just because braindead ppl call him the goat doesn't make him one. Just a friendly reminder statistically there are more dumb people than smart ones. And i feel like you are one of them.
no no, this is a braindead argument. intelligence is relative and so by definition, the average defines whats considered smart and dumb in a society. So statistically u cant have more dumb people than smart ones
Chronicle has the consistency and the trophies but he has never been at a period of time the best player in the world which is why aspas will always be mentioned and cant believe I have to defend aspas out of all people but motherfucker really almost beat fnatic with 3 rookies and artzin how dumb are you guys
Icarus_101 [#30]I dont watch basketball so my ball knowlege is very low. I watch football though
imagine if chronicle was benzema and aspas was neymar. benzema has way more trophies, and even a ballon dor, but is there anyone who isn't a lunatic that would say benzema > neymar?
"Chronicle isnt evem the goat on his own team."
Exactly, and thatw why he is the goat : he isnt the greatest of all time fnatic player, because half of his goat status is because of Gambit when he wasnt a FNC player, a true goat may shine in 2 different team
Icarus_101 [#17]Isnt the guy with the most silverware the goat? Like discussion ended there no? . Most Trophies (Regional and International) and putting up consistent performance is goat status its chronicle now maybe later it could be someone else. I dont understand what exactly are we looking for when we say "The goat of Valorant" if it is not the player with most trophies?.
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alienista1 [#34]imagine if chronicle was benzema and aspas was neymar. benzema has way more trophies, and even a ballon dor, but is there anyone who isn't a lunatic that would say benzema > neymar?
I guess I would cuz My metrics would be : Club Trophies+ UCLS+ Ballon D'or + Impact they had on their national team during their career. My only rule is that they have to be a favoured starter for the manager, unless said player is injured or suspended he should be playing almost all games
Icarus_101 [#38]I guess I would cuz My metrics would be : Club Trophies+ UCLS+ Ballon D'or + Impact they had on their national team during their career. My only rule is that they have to be a favoured starter for the manager, unless said player is injured or suspended he should be playing almost all games
i say this with zero intention to offend, but you are being a lunatic.
following your logic:
modric > xavi
casemiro > iniesta
lucas vázquez > ronaldinho
daniel alves > roberto carlos
muller > zlatan
i dont even need to explain how ridiculous this is
alienista1 [#39]i say this with zero intention to offend, but you are being a lunatic.
following your logic:
modric > xavi
casemiro > iniesta
lucas vázquez > ronaldinho
daniel alves > roberto carlos
muller > zlatani dont even need to explain how ridiculous this is
Honestly speaking? , I dont even know how ridiculous that is , I only watched a little football so Ill take you're word for it.
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