can we stop putting him on initiator from now on? zekken has more assists than him in all 3 maps and he played duelist on 2. initiator isnt his agent and idk why we keep forcing it.
he is really good on senti and we should put zellsis back on ini since atleast his util is decent
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I didn't say anything on vlr about it, but I thought to myself "no way SEN does well if johnqt's in initiator"
well, looks like my thoughts are correct once again
delighted [#2]I didn't say anything on vlr about it, but I thought to myself "no way SEN does well if johnqt's in initiator"
well, looks like my thoughts are correct once again
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delighted [#4]shit was so obvious 😭🙏💔🥀
for us not for sentinels i suppose
delighted [#2]I didn't say anything on vlr about it, but I thought to myself "no way SEN does well if johnqt's in initiator"
well, looks like my thoughts are correct once again
I said he wouldn't do well on vlr when this started happening same with boostio I really don't get these random role switches I promise your ability to call doesn't change at all if you play something else instead
Winter_16 [#7]L take... your iq is the same as room temperature at north pole
what is "L" in this?
Divine_Thunder [#9]what is "L" in this?
maybe you forgot or chose to ignore why he went to initiator role originally. It wasn't to help Narrate fit in the team and not have role issues. It was because he was more comfortable in the initiator role while IGL'ng. The "L" is the fact that you think stats alone dictate how good a player is on a certain agent/role. Kids like you with takes like this makes me realise VLR is full of toddlers with 0 knowledge of the game
Winter_16 [#10]maybe you forgot or chose to ignore why he went to initiator role originally. It wasn't to help Narrate fit in the team and not have role issues. It was because he was more comfortable in the initiator role while IGL'ng. The "L" is the fact that you think stats alone dictate how good a player is on a certain agent/role. Kids like you with takes like this makes me realise VLR is full of toddlers with 0 knowledge of the game
wow, johnqt is so much comfortable on initiator. i can agree. i mean he gets 5~ kills and 20 assists on breach/kayo when zekken got 22 assists but hey he is comfortable and he was so good on igling that they went home☝️🤣. i agree stats dont dictate how good a player is but in sentinel's case it does. if sen wants to win a rnd n4rrate, zekken or bang have to kill 2~3. because rest zellsis is not a good shooter and our igl is in his comfort place with no good util at all. zellsis is better than him on initiator by far
Divine_Thunder [#11]wow, johnqt is so much comfortable on initiator. i can agree. i mean he gets 5~ kills and 20 assists on breach/kayo when zekken got 22 assists but hey he is comfortable and he was so good on igling that they went home☝️🤣. i agree stats dont dictate how good a player is but in sentinel's case it does. if sen wants to win a rnd n4rrate, zekken or bang have to kill 2~3. because rest zellsis is not a good shooter and our igl is in his comfort place with no good util at all. zellsis is better than him on initiator by far
spoken like a true silver
Is not that simple, IGLing on sentinel is very different and harder since you're separated from the main pack most of the time
Mortadelo [#14]Is not that simple, IGLing on sentinel is very different and harder since you're separated from the main pack most of the time
I hate this take, it's just regurgitating what JohnQT and Kaplan say. I think IGLing on initiator can work for sure (and it has), but historically, IGLs have won on sentinel/smokes where they bait/lurk. IGLing is different on that role for sure, but "harder" or "worse" is not objectively true.
DU_Uxie [#15]I hate this take, it's just regurgitating what JohnQT and Kaplan say. I think IGLing on initiator can work for sure (and it has), but historically, IGLs have won on sentinel/smokes where they bait/lurk. IGLing is different on that role for sure, but "harder" or "worse" is not objectively true.
It's definitely not more common to see Sentinel IGL's than other roles. Although it can be done, it's just not the most effective choice. If you pay attention most tend to shift away from that role for a reason. Johnqt is not retarded, he changed role for a reason.
Also yes, "objectively" speaking you have less information/time to make reactive decisions if you're separated from the pack
Also I haven't seen a johnqt/Kaplan interview in my life, I do not know their opinion, I'm talking in general Valorant terms
Winter_16 [#12]spoken like a true silver
yeah sure lmfao. im diamond peak on a bum ass 100 fps laptop+ only 2 games a day on solo queue but sure
Mortadelo [#14]Is not that simple, IGLing on sentinel is very different and harder since you're separated from the main pack most of the time
sure its harder, but 2024 it worked
Divine_Thunder [#11]wow, johnqt is so much comfortable on initiator. i can agree. i mean he gets 5~ kills and 20 assists on breach/kayo when zekken got 22 assists but hey he is comfortable and he was so good on igling that they went home☝️🤣. i agree stats dont dictate how good a player is but in sentinel's case it does. if sen wants to win a rnd n4rrate, zekken or bang have to kill 2~3. because rest zellsis is not a good shooter and our igl is in his comfort place with no good util at all. zellsis is better than him on initiator by far
they lost to the number 1 and number 2 team while beating the number 3 team and performing better against the number 2 team than the number 4 team I don't think its that deep
mustafais [#8]if liquid can keep nats on senti im sure sen can as well
bro their best international appearance was with johnqt having the highest rating out of all his team while being on senti and being a rookie igl, i dont understand how it all went downhill since then cuz john still shoots and comms well because they keep winning regionally and shit.
Mortadelo [#16]It's definitely not more common to see Sentinel IGL's than other roles. Although it can be done, it's just not the most effective choice. If you pay attention most tend to shift away from that role for a reason. Johnqt is not retarded, he changed role for a reason.
Also yes, "objectively" speaking you have less information/time to make reactive decisions if you're separated from the pack
Also I haven't seen a johnqt/Kaplan interview in my life, I do not know their opinion, I'm talking in general Valorant terms
wdym harder tho? sentinels optic eg, all the NA teams that lifted a trophy had a setninel igl
Johnqt is not even playing Tejo. He should've been back on Senti for Toronto. SEN would've performed a lot better.
This is why Kaplan is not a great coach. I've always stated that he's a mid coach. Potter clears.
Mortadelo [#14]Is not that simple, IGLing on sentinel is very different and harder since you're separated from the main pack most of the time
nAts- senti
johnqt 2024- senti
boostio- senti
im not saying to force john to senti, my point is: his performance on initiator isnt that great and zellsis' util is pretty decent so why not put zellsis on ini and john back on senti
i think if they want to use sova i think i know it is mad take but for sova map let zekken play sova if johnqt wants to play senti and let n4rrate play dualist this is extreame hot take but if it role problem i think this is 1 solution or let n4rrate learn sova that is easy way
the whole "calling with the pack" nonsense needs to die, especially since according to sen and other players, zellsis is a good secondary caller who's pretty good at kayo and breach. johnqt's a better lurker, a better anchor and they won a masters with him on sentinel. n4rrate not having the same agent pool as sacy is also a problem for this team
koromast [#22]wdym harder tho? sentinels optic eg, all the NA teams that lifted a trophy had a setninel igl
And they’ve all tried to move on from it in some way or another.
Let me explain it this way. Imagine you wanna execute B in Ascent. As the Cypher you’re going through mid, the rest of the team is going B main. The action is going on on B main, you’re teamates can tell you what they see, but it’s not as fast or accurate as if you see it yourself.
It’s harder to make the decision of executing/cancelling without seeing, 1/2 seconds can be the difference in many many rounds. So most likely you need to give the power of making those decisions to someone else in the pack.
Or you can also have someone else lurk but that has other negative points.
I’m not saying it can’t work, it’s been proven that it can , but it simply is harder. If you just switch roles you save yourself a lot of headaches
Divine_Thunder [#24]nAts- senti
johnqt 2024- senti
boostio- sentiim not saying to force john to senti, my point is: his performance on initiator isnt that great and zellsis' util is pretty decent so why not put zellsis on ini and john back on senti
As I said, the problem is not util related, it’s IGL related. If he’s more comfortable calling off sentinel it’s not that simple
Divine_Thunder [#17]yeah sure lmfao. im diamond peak on a bum ass 100 fps laptop+ only 2 games a day on solo queue but sure
lol.. ok.. if your dillusions help you sleep at night.. I'm all for it
sw4gman [#26]the whole "calling with the pack" nonsense needs to die, especially since according to sen and other players, zellsis is a good secondary caller who's pretty good at kayo and breach. johnqt's a better lurker, a better anchor and they won a masters with him on sentinel. n4rrate not having the same agent pool as sacy is also a problem for this team
its not nonsense, its a true fact
Winter_16 [#29]lol.. ok.. if your dillusions help you sleep at night.. I'm all for it
say this to yourself
Hyopic [#19]they lost to the number 1 and number 2 team while beating the number 3 team and performing better against the number 2 team than the number 4 team I don't think its that deep
please stop coping. i am getting second hand embarrassment.
Hyopic [#19]they lost to the number 1 and number 2 team while beating the number 3 team and performing better against the number 2 team than the number 4 team I don't think its that deep
the whole point is johnqt was consistently ass throughout toronto.
unknown_trash [#32]please stop coping. i am getting second hand embarrassment.
in what way is this cope? I'm saying that sentinels probably shouldn't swap roles for the 4th time this season because they didn't lose to any bad teams and beat some good teams like wolves. unfort for geng though, maybe munchkin should swap roles because that's obviously the best solution no?
Hyopic [#34]in what way is this cope? I'm saying that sentinels probably shouldn't swap roles for the 4th time this season because they didn't lose to any bad teams and beat some good teams like wolves. unfort for geng though, maybe munchkin should swap roles because that's obviously the best solution no?
yes because the same wolves that beat gen.g we're in the same form vs sen lol
sw4gman [#26]the whole "calling with the pack" nonsense needs to die, especially since according to sen and other players, zellsis is a good secondary caller who's pretty good at kayo and breach. johnqt's a better lurker, a better anchor and they won a masters with him on sentinel. n4rrate not having the same agent pool as sacy is also a problem for this team
should I listen to you or listen to the pros?
It’s his fucking choice bro . Kaplan is not forcing him on any role . He was fucking init player before he was just flexible when nobody else was playing sentinel on the team. If he wants to stay on init he can it’s not like sen is performing ultra Dogshit with him on it
I'm sure that some random below Plat VLR user who has never actually IGL'd and doesn't have any pro experience knows better than the Sentinels coach, IGL, and all of the analyst they have.
If Johnqt says that its easier to call on initiator than senti then its probably easier, its also why other IGL's have started to play more initiator over senti. Also you can clearly tell that Johnqt is calling better on initiator, his reads and rotations look way better than they did last year.
Mortadelo [#27]And they’ve all tried to move on from it in some way or another.
Let me explain it this way. Imagine you wanna execute B in Ascent. As the Cypher you’re going through mid, the rest of the team is going B main. The action is going on on B main, you’re teamates can tell you what they see, but it’s not as fast or accurate as if you see it yourself.
It’s harder to make the decision of executing/cancelling without seeing, 1/2 seconds can be the difference in many many rounds. So most likely you need to give the power of making those decisions to someone else in the pack.
Or you can also have someone else lurk but that has other negative points.
I’m not saying it can’t work, it’s been proven that it can , but it simply is harder. If you just switch roles you save yourself a lot of headaches
yeah but lurkers can also give round changing info so you win some and lose some too.
chinesesalesmen [#35]yes because the same wolves that beat gen.g we're in the same form vs sen lol
what tells you that? Sentinel's showing against fnatic was objectively better than wolves' so at the very least they're relative to each other considering theres a 2 map overlap between the two series. Wolves' split playstyle also stayed marginally the same as when they played against Sentinels, as each game they played split, their gameplan was more or less the same.
koromast [#21]bro their best international appearance was with johnqt having the highest rating out of all his team while being on senti and being a rookie igl, i dont understand how it all went downhill since then cuz john still shoots and comms well because they keep winning regionally and shit.
i think it all started when sen forced john onto tejo
koromast [#39]yeah but lurkers can also give round changing info so you win some and lose some too.
Lurker info doesn’t require an instant reaction 99% of the time, at least not compared to the rest of the input. It’s just tactical shooter basics, I’m not discovering the wheel here.
That’s not a smart trade off at all
The entire roster is more than vocal enough that having him on Senti would bring more value. Zellsis gets more value as an aggressive player, and it gives more room for the zoomers to frag out (which should be this rosters win con).
Keeping Zellsis with the pack to be the primary midrounder, with John having higher firepower and lurk presence to manipulate rotates would an absolute step up.
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