IS HE IN GOAT CONVO
IS HE BEST DUELIST IN AMER
IS HE BEST DUELIST OAT
(IF NOT WHO IS)
ASPAS
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IS HE IN GOAT CONVO ? Yes
IS HE BEST DUELIST IN AMER ? No , Zekken raze and neon better but aspas best jett in the world
IS HE BEST DUELIST GOAT ? No , Derke best duelist all time , Derke imo was 2nd best duelist in the world in 2021 , he was 3rd best Duelist / Chamber player in 2022 , best in 2023 for most of the year , best performing duelist in 2 international events . No player has been consistent in valorant . Aspas didnt play t1 in 2021 , he was inconsistent but good in 2022 , prolly 3rd best player in 2023 , 2nd best player in the world . Aspas has a higher ceiling but Derke has a higher floor .
BeraJr [#4]IS HE IN GOAT CONVO ? Yes
IS HE BEST DUELIST IN AMER ? No , Zekken raze and neon better but aspas best jett in the world
IS HE BEST DUELIST GOAT ? No , Derke best duelist all time , Derke imo was 2nd best duelist in the world in 2021 , he was 3rd best Duelist / Chamber player in 2022 , best in 2023 for most of the year , best performing duelist in 2 international events . No player has been consistent in valorant . Aspas didnt play t1 in 2021 , he was inconsistent but good in 2022 , prolly 3rd best player in 2023 , 2nd best player in the world . Aspas has a higher ceiling but Derke has a higher floor .
bro said z0kken and d0rke 😭
BeraJr [#4]IS HE IN GOAT CONVO ? Yes
IS HE BEST DUELIST IN AMER ? No , Zekken raze and neon better but aspas best jett in the world
IS HE BEST DUELIST GOAT ? No , Derke best duelist all time , Derke imo was 2nd best duelist in the world in 2021 , he was 3rd best Duelist / Chamber player in 2022 , best in 2023 for most of the year , best performing duelist in 2 international events . No player has been consistent in valorant . Aspas didnt play t1 in 2021 , he was inconsistent but good in 2022 , prolly 3rd best player in 2023 , 2nd best player in the world . Aspas has a higher ceiling but Derke has a higher floor .
just shut up bro
yes and if he isnt in for you you are lacking brain cells
yes and if he isnt in for you you are lacking brain cells
yes and if he isnt in for you you are lacking brain cells
It's been aspas for a while now. The only way to surpass aspas is to be more consistent than him, so far that's nobody
Yes
Actually contrary to popular belief I think that there is no one GOAT, just one for every role
ronaldinhoooooooooooo [#13]It's been aspas for a while now. The only way to surpass aspas is to be more consistent than him, so far that's nobody
Leo no?
I got him on par with Aspas
Oil_up_buddy [#11]Statpas
lev played differently compared to other teams that’s why you are calling him a stats player
catNmouse [#17]lev played differently compared to other teams that’s why you are calling him a stats player
Then I wouldn't call a player goat when his stats are mostly from trades and exit frags .
Denjisideals [#16]Leo no?
I got him on par with Aspas
unfortunately he is pregnant and cant play valorant anymore
Oil_up_buddy [#20]Then I wouldn't call a player goat when his stats are mostly from trades and exit frags .
He also hard entried on neon and raze and got as much impact, he was still the best player in americas in 2023 and a top 2 player in champions playoffs of that same year while he was playing entry
Oil_up_buddy [#20]Then I wouldn't call a player goat when his stats are mostly from trades and exit frags .
Come on he does bait more than others but he mostly puts up insane amounts of first kills
BeraJr [#4]IS HE IN GOAT CONVO ? Yes
IS HE BEST DUELIST IN AMER ? No , Zekken raze and neon better but aspas best jett in the world
IS HE BEST DUELIST GOAT ? No , Derke best duelist all time , Derke imo was 2nd best duelist in the world in 2021 , he was 3rd best Duelist / Chamber player in 2022 , best in 2023 for most of the year , best performing duelist in 2 international events . No player has been consistent in valorant . Aspas didnt play t1 in 2021 , he was inconsistent but good in 2022 , prolly 3rd best player in 2023 , 2nd best player in the world . Aspas has a higher ceiling but Derke has a higher floor .
Heavy, except for Z0kken...
Two_Percent [#15]Yes
Actually contrary to popular belief I think that there is no one GOAT, just one for every role
O'd rather say one for every year, cuz aspas is hardly the goat of several years but in the end everyone agrees on how he has been the best since 2022
MrBlooBloom [#25]O'd rather say one for every year, cuz aspas is hardly the goat of several years but in the end everyone agrees on how he has been the best since 2022
greatest of all time
all time
Two_Percent [#28]greatest of all time
all time
theoricaly all time includes all times
MrBlooBloom [#29]theoricaly all time includes all times
the point of a "goat" is that it's all time, not every year
catNmouse [#22]He also hard entried on neon and raze and got as much impact, he was still the best player in americas in 2023 and a top 2 player in champions playoffs of that same year while he was playing entry
Neon yes.... Raze ??? uhm did you watch champs ?
Oil_up_buddy [#33]Neon yes.... Raze ??? uhm did you watch champs ?
Aspas Raze in the champions
alienista1 [#35]Aspas Raze in the champions
And you don't find it weird that your sentinel player have double numbers of first engagement than your duelist on attack side . Aspas 2024 was just a trader on attack when he's not on neon.
Oil_up_buddy [#36]And you don't find it weird that your sentinel player have double numbers of first engagement than your duelist on attack side . Aspas 2024 was just a trader on attack when he's not on neon.
That was Leviatan's style of play. In fact, Aspas had 0.22 FK in Champions playing as Raze, this is a higher rate than Zekken, in that same Champions. Following your logic, would Zekken be a baiter?
Oil_up_buddy [#36]And you don't find it weird that your sentinel player have double numbers of first engagement than your duelist on attack side . Aspas 2024 was just a trader on attack when he's not on neon.
players from VARIOUS teams have said that if they know aspas is holding a site then the strategy will shift to the other site, if you know valorant you know that if someone by himself is able to hold a site than the sentinel player should hold the other, tex is an aggressive sentinel and so if more people come to fight him first rather than aspas then it is self explanatory why tex had more first combats, as mini, fnc coach said, aspas lets the kills come to his awp, derke, zekken and other go for the kills
Patoow14 [#38]players from VARIOUS teams have said that if they know aspas is holding a site then the strategy will shift to the other site, if you know valorant you know that if someone by himself is able to hold a site than the sentinel player should hold the other, tex is an aggressive sentinel and so if more people come to fight him first rather than aspas then it is self explanatory why tex had more first combats, as mini, fnc coach said, aspas lets the kills come to his awp, derke, zekken and other go for the kills
That's why I said attack side .
Patoow14 [#40]oh so lev playstyle
and they had the same first combat engagements on attack, fym double
alienista1 [#37]That was Leviatan's style of play. In fact, Aspas had 0.22 FK in Champions playing as Raze, this is a higher rate than Zekken, in that same Champions. Following your logic, would Zekken be a baiter?
Stats aren't everything. When your sentinel player is doing entry aspas will be trading and still getting fk . Go watch the actual matches from champs . Specially the attack side .
Duelist role is there for a reason. If your sentinel is dying early then you lose important utility for late round. Duelist should be the tip of spear . And there are so many instances where aspas would go for exit frags , no champs duelist would do that even if it's a disadvantage clutch . " If you are in a disadvantageous clutch , you gotta do jump peek and take engagements . If you're not doing that then you're not playing for win "
Patoow14 [#41]and they had the same first combat engagements on attack, fym double
Check for the whole match .
top 3 of champions in each year of his career as a duelist while being the best of his team every year? yeah he is the best player of all time or atleast best duelist imo
Oil_up_buddy [#43]Check for the whole match .
"Neon yes.... Raze ??? uhm did you watch champs ?"
i thought we were discussing his raze, did i miss somethink or did the goalpost move?
Oil_up_buddy [#42]Stats aren't everything. When your sentinel player is doing entry aspas will be trading and still getting fk . Go watch the actual matches from champs . Specially the attack side .
Duelist role is there for a reason. If your sentinel is dying early then you lose important utility for late round. Duelist should be the tip of spear . And there are so many instances where aspas would go for exit frags , no champs duelist would do that even if it's a disadvantage clutch . " If you are in a disadvantageous clutch , you gotta do jump peek and take engagements . If you're not doing that then you're not playing for win "
if stats arent everything then why the fuck are you mentioning stats?
akimb0_ [#47]if stats arent everything then why the fuck are you mentioning stats?
Because he mentioned that match because of the stats. I am just hinting that although they won that match that isn't a good look...So stfu you dumb f*** .
Oil_up_buddy [#48]Because he mentioned that match because of the stats. I am just hinting that although they won that match that isn't a good look...So stfu you dumb f*** .
yeah, indian flag checks out. you say "statspas" as the 1st comment as if that is any argument for anything you fucking inbred monkey retard
akimb0_ [#50]yeah, indian flag checks out. you say "statspas" as the 1st comment as if that is any argument for anything you fucking inbred monkey retard
Awwww. Did I hurt your precious feelings . Haha go fuck yourself . Statspas word have it's own full meaning . Don't need to say a whole line . And it was a argument against why aspas isn't goat .
Oil_up_buddy [#51]Awwww. Did I hurt your precious feelings . Haha go fuck yourself . Statspas word have it's own full meaning . Don't need to say a whole line . And it was a argument against why aspas isn't goat .
keep talking to yourself subhuman scum
Patoow14 [#45]"Neon yes.... Raze ??? uhm did you watch champs ?"
i thought we were discussing his raze, did i miss somethink or did the goalpost move?
We were discussing his role as duelist . I agreed that he did hard entries on neon . On raze nope ... Stats aren't a accurate measure on how good valorant is played . You gotta watch the game for it .
Oil_up_buddy [#53]We were discussing his role as duelist . I agreed that he did hard entries on neon . On raze nope ... Stats aren't a accurate measure on how good valorant is played . You gotta watch the game for it .
he brought up that aspas hard entried as a raze, you used stats to say he didnt, i used THE SAME STAT to disprove your argument of tex being the entry, you are now saying that the stats dont matter? you are really good at moving this goalpost just to hate on one of the most loved players in the scene and admired by almost all pros who also most consider him the greatest
Patoow14 [#55]he brought up that aspas hard entried as a raze, you used stats to say he didnt, i used THE SAME STAT to disprove your argument of tex being the entry, you are now saying that the stats dont matter? you are really good at moving this goalpost just to hate on one of the most loved players in the scene and admired by almost all pros who also most consider him the greatest
i used THE SAME STAT to disprove your argument of tex being the entry
And where is that ... You just said that because I used a whole match stat instead of one map...I said he did good entry on neon but not on raze which obviously you can't guess by stats unless you watch the matches closely. ..then he posted a match link because aspas had good stats in it on raze (Which is the case most of the times hence the name statspas). I hinted that on attack their sentinel is taking way more engagements that earlier when it should be the role of duelist ...
I am still hellbent of my take that stats aren't everything (not saying stats aren't anything)... You can never guess from stats which kills are more important ..You should go and watch champs vods and see how passive aspas was playing ...
BeraJr [#4]IS HE IN GOAT CONVO ? Yes
IS HE BEST DUELIST IN AMER ? No , Zekken raze and neon better but aspas best jett in the world
IS HE BEST DUELIST GOAT ? No , Derke best duelist all time , Derke imo was 2nd best duelist in the world in 2021 , he was 3rd best Duelist / Chamber player in 2022 , best in 2023 for most of the year , best performing duelist in 2 international events . No player has been consistent in valorant . Aspas didnt play t1 in 2021 , he was inconsistent but good in 2022 , prolly 3rd best player in 2023 , 2nd best player in the world . Aspas has a higher ceiling but Derke has a higher floor .
Scream still best jett in the world
MrBlooBloom [#25]O'd rather say one for every year, cuz aspas is hardly the goat of several years but in the end everyone agrees on how he has been the best since 2022
He's been the best since 2022? Be for real. He wasn't top 5 in 22' and sure as hell not in 2023. The goat convo really just started after he dropped 47 on sen after that it's just been revisionism after revisionism it's disgusting
ZekaTheGoat [#60]He's been the best since 2022? Be for real. He wasn't top 5 in 22' and sure as hell not in 2023. The goat convo really just started after he dropped 47 on sen after that it's just been revisionism after revisionism it's disgusting
Come on
ZekaTheGoat [#60]He's been the best since 2022? Be for real. He wasn't top 5 in 22' and sure as hell not in 2023. The goat convo really just started after he dropped 47 on sen after that it's just been revisionism after revisionism it's disgusting
he was top 5 in 2023
ZekaTheGoat [#60]He's been the best since 2022? Be for real. He wasn't top 5 in 22' and sure as hell not in 2023. The goat convo really just started after he dropped 47 on sen after that it's just been revisionism after revisionism it's disgusting
"he wasnt top 5 in 22" literally one of the highest rated players in 2022 season, grand finals in his first ever international and champions grand finals MVP in his rookie year.
"sure as hell not in 2023" top 2 lockin droping a 30 bomb in the last map, first ever VCT americas champion and MVP, Top 3 at Champions being top 3 stats in playoffs. Also top 1 highest rated duelist in 2023 and top 3 player overall. Top 4 was: Less, Aspas, Alfajer and Leo.
2024: highest rated player across all leagues playing with an initiator that went triple negative in 95% of the season and the first two time americas champion and MVP. Top 3 at Champions AGAIN. FIrst player to reach 1000 kills at champions.
Aspas dropping 47 kills on raze against prime Sentinels is just one of his many accomplishments and it made a lot of noise cause Sentinels were the recent Master Winners and a single player destroyed them.
Thats why hes "been the best" since 2022. Many players falloff after one good tournament or one good season, but Aspas dont. 3 years at the top of the game individually and with the teams he played with since he started. The only revisionism is pretending that his GOAT convo only started in the middle of 2024.
glittering_yard [#65]"he wasnt top 5 in 22" literally one of the highest rated players in 2022 season, grand finals in his first ever international and champions grand finals MVP in his rookie year.
"sure as hell not in 2023" top 2 lockin droping a 30 bomb in the last map, first ever VCT americas champion and MVP, Top 3 at Champions being top 3 stats in playoffs. Also top 1 highest rated duelist in 2023 and top 3 player overall. Top 4 was: Less, Aspas, Alfajer and Leo.
2024: highest rated player across all leagues playing with an initiator that went triple negative in 95% of the season and the first two time americas champion and MVP. Top 3 at Champions AGAIN. FIrst player to reach 1000 kills at champions.
Aspas dropping 47 kills on raze against prime Sentinels is just one of his many accomplishments and it made a lot of noise cause Sentinels were the recent Master Winners and a single player destroyed them.
Thats why hes "been the best" since 2022. Many players falloff after one good tournament or one good season, but Aspas dont. 3 years at the top of the game individually and with the teams he played with since he started. The only revisionism is pretending that his GOAT convo only started in the middle of 2024.
champions grand finals MVP in his rookie year.
should’ve went to sacy, that god performance on ascent was a huge win for them
Yawn.
Another Aspas thread.
Idiots will say he’s bad.
Smart people say he’s great.
Rinse and repeat
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