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Time for EU to make a Sentinels level Superteam?

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#1
DDot

Tbh I think this is the only way we can actually be competitive at LANs apart from gambit, we have so many good teams but none are great or consistent. The only team I believe can mount a challenge to any other team is GMB but even they are inconsistent at times.
Maybe a Sentinels level super team (best players of each agent class):
Putting players like Scream, Boaster for his game sense, Nukkye, cNed and other great players on one team.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION BTW.

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buldO
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Under what org would u see this happening?

#5
MilanTheMyth
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Liquid.

#8
Origin
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this is actually fair TL has the most money in EU so maybe could be done

#115
MilanTheMyth
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Bruh

#116
edelhose1337
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Benrlitom are superstars already

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DDot
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any org that can make it possible I guess.

#36
vollizie
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Astralis?

#67
buldO
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Sorry if I'm completely mistaken but weren't Astralis having financial issues?

#89
MilanTheMyth
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Wait, what happened? 6 majors yet this?

#92
buldO
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I don't think this accounts for my claim, but somewhat holds a little to it.

https://dotesports.com/business/news/astralis-reports-2-million-loss-doubles-revenue-in-first-financial-report-of-2021

#3
Noyn
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EU super team:

cNed
Starxo
Chronicle
Avova
Nats

#13
County
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no one pay attention on bonecold despite being igl and hard fragging

#110
4second
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He botfrags a lot as well though

#15
GKDNZ
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communication is a big problem for this roster

#25
PR3D1CTOR
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with no igl, ok

#63
KoreanOverlord
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lol starxo cned got diffed by rb and buzz with this super team you wouldnt even beat vision strikers

#70
unknown_trash
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and lakias skye and sova are even better than rb. this superteam wont work unless you get the best initiator in eu

#73
sean6969
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EU has a lack of good sovas. there are some good skye players i guess but not a lot of sovas

#119
Dr_DoofenshmirtZ
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mb

#4
SeriaLink
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Or find a quality coach🤫

#10
asdfgh
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time for eu to get some decent tier 1-2/3 players to switch first,you will never be able to create a "superteam" with some inexperienced tier 6 bots

#23
Revlo
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KEKW

#59
yungbasel
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No one wants to admit it, but that's who's running NA valorant (global valorant). ex tier 1-3 CS players.

Same can't be said about EMEA, there aren't nearly as many. so they need time to level up. NA Top 10ish teams are a level above most EMEA teams

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DDot
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yh definitely. Majority of the players from my knowledge are Val talents not csgo rejects.

#93
Ibis
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But vision strikers players were nothing in csgo as well. After that logic they couldn’t be that good in valorant as they are

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yungbasel
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That's not actually true. yeah CSGO was never massive in Korea, but vision strikers is formed from one of the top korean teams that have been around since 2017, MVP PK. Their coach gloW and ex player also played on several international LANs against EU and NA cs teams.

They don't have to have been CS major winners to build good fundamentals. Most EMEA teams haven't played a SINGLE LAN before.

Ignoring all of that. VS have done the work to play a unique style of valorant that even NA doesn't really play (whether it's better or not, time will tell). So they can be an outlier even IF their core never touched CS.

You don't go a 107 game winning streak (100 of which include not dropping a single map) by playing the same type of game as everyone else in your region.

#102
asdfgh
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lmao just look how many tier 1 valo players you can find from this team,this was the only korean team that was playing in LANs vs eu and NA

https://www.hltv.org/team/7354/mvp-pk#tab-rosterBox

#11
patuj
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EU super team:
Entry - Cned
Rifler/flex - Scream/Nukkye (Phoenix or Raze)
Controller - Avova
Sentinel - Magnum
Initiator - Koldamenta/Starxo/Soulcas (depending do you want Sova or Skye specialist, Soulcas best fit IMO)
I would pick Chronicle for initiator role if he speaks good enough English
And even though I think nAts is best sentinel player EMEA, I would still pick Magnum, because I don't know how nAts would work on this team. Also some of the players would need to learn new agents. For example they don't have proper Viper player.

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PR3D1CTOR
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Sentinel-Magnum?????????????

#29
patuj
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Why not? He is one of the best sentinel players EU has. The fact that Fnatic signed him for 3 years tells a lot. Only someone like nAts would top him. pAura is good contender as well, but I see more potential in Magnum.

#43
GetsystheGr8
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I'd rather have boaster

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patuj
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Boaster is good because he is IGL and his Sova is decent, but I'm not too sure about his fragging power. He looked good on that field during Iceland, but domestically he hasn't looked that good fragging wise. Now when I look back at it I would most likely take Soulcas over anyone else. He can frag, still has one of the best Skyes and he has even played Sova on maps like Ascent. He would need to play and learn Sova more, but I think he has potential. He also used to IGL for TL and at least to my knowledge he calls quite a lot in TL to even this day.

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m8te
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igl????????

#82
patuj
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Koldamenta is the IGL of G2 and used to be the IGL of Acend. Also Soulcas was the main IGL of Team Liquid with Scream, and now he is secondary IGL on Team Liquid. Also Soulcas is still young and I feel like he will just get better and better at IGLing. He is smart player. Soulcas is best candidate for the initiator/IGL role IMO.

#103
mockmeatball
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I love this.
Magnum is optimal on this "fantasy" team, which would make an INSANE opponent for teams like Gambit.

#12
SHINOBll
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if cned plays with scream ... imagine... thats it. like shahz and tenz vs cned and scream just swap jamppi with cned nothing else

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vilgerdarson
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if cNed goes Gambit, it would be a super team because cNed is a lot better than deffo and deffo is really inconsistent even if he plays good some maps.

#17
Never_Wrong
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Vlr.gg moment
Move the Turkish guy to the Russian focused org in a Russian-speaking team

#19
vilgerdarson
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if i was a player on Gambit, i would speak enligsh for cNed bro. We are talking about cNed. Best operator player in the world.

#60
Danzo
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Lan deffo = lan cned

#94
Mortadelo
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Of course, instead of praccing go back to school and learn another language

#16
GKDNZ
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-jammpi +cNed

#18
Wavee
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Sentinels didn't start as a superteam they just grew into the this.(hot take) Fnatic imo is gonna be the greatest team in EMEA.

#33
AltonBu02
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If you call growing into it signing the best player in NA then yeah, ig you're right.

#45
V0sotros
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I mean before TenZ they were the best team in NA with Sinatraa, it wasn’t nearly as dominant as it is with TenZ now but yeah I’d say they are homegrown

#53
Wavee
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did u ever watch a sentinels game before they signed tenz?? they were really good incase u didn't know. also tenz was declared the best player in the world after he was signed to sen

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AltonBu02
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yeah ofc i did, they were an amazing team before that, but they weren't a super team. They were really good, but not viewed to be dominant like they are now. After the signing of Tenz, they only lost 1 map in Masters 1 (Thanks to my boys in LG), it's safe to say that's when they started becoming a super team.

For proof look at the challengers tourney before the signing of Tenz:
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/North_America/Stage_1/Challengers_1

And look at the masters tourney after the signing of Tenz:
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/2021/North_America/Stage_1/Masters

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AltonBu02
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also tenz was always considered to be at least top 3 and many considered him as the best. It's been like this ever since he's carried C9. Man I miss those days but don't at the same time Sadge.

#20
SkuIly
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you cannot just put players together and make a super team. its about team synergy, how each of them adapt to each other, believe in each other, etc go into making a super team.
getting the best in each role doesnt mean super team, as sentinels was a normal team who put in the hours to be the best in their own role, nobody was the best when they started. exception of tenz pickup, rest all were picked and it was formed during beta. nobody knew they would be the best in their each role even though that was the goal.

#21
Never_Wrong
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Finally. Well said

#28
SkuIly
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ty :)

#22
Philosopher_Stone
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True, no one wants to see another NRG moment

Stacks talent with no synergy consideration

#64
Xaster15
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yes, WASTE OF MONEY

#61
elayaCL
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Exactly, all those ideas in the comments sound like a FaZe thing (csgo). There's almost nothing positive putting a group of superstars in the same team.

#24
Adri98
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Add cned and Nats to G2 and you have a EU superteam

#27
iMyw
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I was thinking that too but i got attached to keloqz cuz he’s so energetic and.. french

#31
Adri98
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He is a great player and has a lot of future but Cned would be a great upgrade.

#30
justadude
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Scream and Boaster are overrated.

cNed - Duelist
Nukkye - Fill/Duelist
Bonecold - Controller/Smoker and IGL
pAura - Sentinel
Cloud - Initiator(Sova)

TOP tier team 8/8 just not 100% sure on pAura

Keep Gambit out of it they are decent on their own.

#32
DDot
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Boaster understandable even though his game sense is amazing but ScreaM just needs a solid team that can actually help him to play at his best.
For example, IMO I think if scream was on fnatic in Iceland they probably could've won the tournament.

#38
Zortex
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ScreaM > Nukkye nothing more to say

#40
justadude
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aim no brain, nothing more to say

#83
6vine
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If someone with no brain, gives me 278 ACS in an important tourney, I'll have him any day over someone who had 242 ACS in the same tourney against worse opponents.

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justadude
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10iq thinking,
TL played vs NAVI, Oxygen, forZe while only good team they played against was Gambit.
G2 played vs Oxygen, Giants (who are better than any team TL played against, except Gambit) and SMB, Gambit who are good.
So G2 played vs better teams, if nukkye played as aggressive and stupid as scream he would also would get kills that might have no impact but add to ACS :) but G2 doesn't need to make braindead plays to win.
basing everything on ACS is just stupid.

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patuj
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ScreaM has better aim and he is more carry than Nukkye, but Nukkye's agent pool is better. ScreaM never plays Raze and I feel like its essential for flex player to be able to play that agent. And I feel like learning Phoenix for Nukkye is easier than learning Raze for ScreaM.

#108
justadude
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Well we will now see how good is Nukkyes Phoenix

#41
thanatos111
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why would you get paura and bonecold? theyre both igls

#42
justadude
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Both are good in their own roles, taking one off IGLing or making them co-IGL would only make them play better.

#44
thanatos111
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realistically europes best chance at a superteam is gambit buying cned

#46
V0sotros
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There would be some trouble with communication, but if they can make it work that would be dominant as fuck

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thanatos111
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yeah im sure one thing that helps gambit is them all speaking russian like Na'vi, Astralis etc

it just depends on how good their english is

#107
G0ksun
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Paura would be a super IGL for this team, this way Bonecold could focus on fragging and can be 2nd igl too. Idk about Cloud btw, can be someone else

#34
ritdro2211
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I feel on their day gambit can beat SEN
SMB can if all their players are in god aim mode
Just my opinion

#35
DDot
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Yh i agree. The way teams like SEN, VS, G2 are all talking bout how unbeatable GMB are in scrims if they were to reach that in LAN, they are a dynasty in the making.

#37
ritdro2211
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Let's pray for GMB vs SEN in the quarters

#39
thanatos111
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probably

nats
redgar/bonecold
scream
cned
soulcas/starxo/cloud

lauress would be an option for sova if his english is good enough but mini already said it isnt

#47
Gokyuzu26
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Cned
Scream
Straxo / Soulcass
Nats
and anyone else i think i cant think of a 5th right noww

#50
ChrisGG
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Shao is cracked on Omen sova and jett my guy is a beast on anything

#51
ChrisGG
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maybe sheydos for starxo tho

#52
Gokyuzu26
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Straxo and Soulcass are the best skye players in the EMEA

#49
ChrisGG
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Cned
Shao
Nats
Sheydos
Scram

#57
yungbasel
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No. The region as a whole just needs to level up a bit more. Otherwise it'll end up like turkey (no offense).

The top teams in NA are generally better, more experienced players. It's not that deep, EMEA just needs to catch up (in valorant). Not form some stupid dream team

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mys
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True, barely any good sova players.

#69
DDot
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i tend to disagree. I dont think its anything to do with talent even SEN players said that EU are extremely talented and their pool of teams are deeper than NA but its just that they tend to crumble at LANs and mental is the biggest issue with EU.

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yungbasel
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Sean Gares and SEN players said that after iceland. Back when people were still thinking FPX were God tier. I remember the clip specific, they talked about the strength of Gambit, Acend and "new" (now current) G2. That is definitely not relevant in today's fast moving world of valorant.

Of course EMEA players are talented, but the way they are playing as a team is below the likes of NA. That to me is a symptom of inexperience, as is mental crumble on LAN. They're symptoms of the same issue, inexperience and fortitude.

#97
DDot
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Yh inexperience is the main problem especially with Gambit, I think by next year if Riot decide to do a 'champions tour' remake again, this LAN experience gambit are receiving are only gonna make them stronger and potentially allow them to stay composed in situation like against 100T.

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yungbasel
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Yeah, I agree with that for 2022 onwards. Maybe even going forward in Berlin.

BUT the way this game changes and evolves, it's entirely possible that Gambit aren't even considered those guys by middle of next year. We've seen alot of teams come and go from the top in this game. It's hard to predict.

#62
elayaCL
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#20 pretty much summarizes everything and it's the most common sense comment.

#65
BirdB0i
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The old Heretics is eu superteam

#72
DumboVAL
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they did some crazy reads and reaction play and even their set executes were so clean. Not sure if that was because there was 0 compettition in EU, or they were just so good.

#77
BirdB0i
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And they have the same map pool as sentinels.
(Love split, undefeated in haven, hate bind)

#74
DDot
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that team was definitely special but unfortunately now in the past

#66
duchesssx
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nukkye is the reason g2 got rounds on sen. guy is way above them

#71
DumboVAL
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Liquid will be the superteam in 2022, mark my words, Niveira will get a lot more gamesense and L1NK will be replaced by someone who will have more impact.

#75
DumboVAL
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I think there is no problem in EU player's aim or mechanics. Each EU VCT team got really really top tier players on their roles. The problem is that they don't react and don't think as fast as NA teams. EU teams are getting surprised every match by something they didn't prepare for and don't know how to react on that. Feels like NA is playing this game for one year longer than EU. Thats all. No point switching players between teams or making a superteam, they just need to get their sht together, not switch players.

#91
yungbasel
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facts

#76
Vonik
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Thought of this yesterday as well. I think its what G2 tried to do but really didn't work out. G2 likes to spend big money on players so I think they're our best bet.

#78
mEXsACHINE
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I don't think CIS players would want to leave CIS to create an EU superteam. I also feel like cNed would rather join his fellow Turks and go to SMB if he leaves Acend (which I don't see happening) rather than joining an EU superteam. Shao and ANGE1 are from CIS but play on EU but I won't count them as well.

This leaves EU with a possible superteam of:
ScreaM
Derke
starxo
mixwell
Boaster

It's not the most fraggy lineup but I guess it's well-rounded I think.

#84
edelhose1337
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my dreamteam would be (without tr and cis):
starxo (best skye, u need to abuse skye meta)
scream
nukkye
Bonecold/avova (best controller)
derke

#80
Gomes255
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hm

#85
Randwa
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FPX Zyppan
FPX Shao
Guild Leo
NBK
and straxo/soulcas?
Insane potential, might not be as good as superteam(Nats,Scream,Cned,Avova and Soulcas) but the cost would be lower too.

#86
edelhose1337
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a superteam with a lot of potential:
logaNNN Sentinel
Leo Sova/Flash
LuckeRRR Jett/Raze
Seider Controller
Al0rante/Musashi Duellist/Flash

#95
Ibis
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Luckerrr is not great

#98
edelhose1337
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He have no bad games as a controller

#114
edelhose1337
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He proved you wrong

#118
Ibis
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He is too bad for an EU superteam, it is how it is. Good tier 2 player though

#87
ChowChow
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cNed
Boaster
Scream
Nats
Soulcas

#104
Shanvel
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cNed Scream Boaster Nats Nukkye

#105
Kradeca_
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lol cs>valulrant
go watch blast instead of this clown show haha

#106
feaN
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Eu super team:

cNed (Jett)
zeek( another duelist )
nAts (sentinel)
nukkye (sage)
Redgar (igl) maybe Boaster too idk

#109
MilanTheMyth
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I consider Gambit, G2 and Acend as super teams. Everyone on G2 and Acend can pop off.

#111
DDot
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Tbh only cNed can pop off enough to carry a team the rest are just there Tbh. But G2 and GMB I somewhat agree.

#112
MilanTheMyth
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I guess, but Everyone on Acend was popping off against SMB

#113
DDot
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Theres no point in popping off once in a while because games like VS and 100T happen when its only cNed able to do his job.

#117
coguyy
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sentinels superteam nt mate

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