How are we feeling after that NRG loss?
Personally I feel better knowing that another team failed to deliver upto their potential.
Now just hope KC or heretics win Madrid so that we don't have to listen to NA fans yapping throughout the year
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I think Madrid is already the most cursed event in VCT history.
How did Gen G win Pacific after almost losing to Team Secret on icebox overtime after a 6HP clutch?
How did Sentinels get so much better and humbled NRG overconfidence even after playing so many maps in groups and play-ins (all available for NRG to antistrat)?
How did Potter managed to win Ascent easily against Loud with such a (respectfully) tier 2 rooster?
And I'm not even gonna talk how absurd it is TH/KC winning against Fnatic and Navi
ofc
scenario #1
LOUD/Sentinels win = proof of Americas being the best region
scenario #2
LOUD and Sentinels lose = the lack of teams like PRX, FNATIC, LEV and NRG proves this tournament is mickey mouse and shouldn't be used as a metric to see which region is better, and we should wait for next masters for the real good teams to actually develop
i dont think they needed "fixes" rather they needed a lot more new/different strats and comps. and they have to work on that for sure
what my point was , that since our lost to KC, there is precisely 0 things i can do about fnatic other than waiting till april, so the max hype i can feel is by seeing other teams lose.
as a great man once said,
"It's not enough that I should succeed - others should fail"
"playing together as a team"
yes that was lacking at kickoff, but they were the best at that the entirety of last year. so its not something they have to develop from scratch, it will honestly comeback to them naturally as they find their right form.
what genuinely needs improvement is their ideas. and honestly i am pushing a lot on this point, since they hardly played 3 maps, we legit didnt see anything from fnatic
yeah you and everyone else are pushing that point, but their macro and teamplay are more important. Everyone plays the same comp on lotus, the one fnatic invented, so changing that isn't going to make a big difference. And a lot of these "innovative" comps people keep praising will end up being weak because dive is just strong, period.
that is a fact, but nrg losing is something that made me feel better.
they have missed madrid, and thus made my valorant viewing experience for march sad.
but i also know fnatic will be coming back way stronger than they were in kickoff, so i dont care too much about "how" they performed at kickoff.
honestly i wanted NRG to make it because I like watching marved and demon1 play but zekken is fun too. I hope the next iteration of Fnatic has derke put in more positions to actually frag instead of just making space because he's been being used as what essentially is a human sova drone since Tokyo started last year.
yeah , i feel like derke is too often just a sacrificial lamb. they know that they have good firepower and hence they can use derke that way. but honestly if derke gets more support, he can genuinely carry fnatic single handedly on half the maps.
what happens now is fnatic sacrifice derke to take some space and then he dies as a sacrifice. after that alfa and someone clear everyone. derke doesnt get to shine as much.
a combination of 2022 fnatic + 2023 fnatic would be perfect for derke. we need to see derke owning areas of the map. we need to see enemies fearing to go on a certain part of the map, coz they know that they will have to face derke with a lot of support from the other teammates
i literally called all the "fnatic fans". i dont care if you bothered to come to this thread. this thread was generally meant for fnatic fans, as said tby the title and if anyone interested in what i actually wrote.
but what do i know, another brazilian who is hyper sensitive, thinking everything is about him or his team when its not. literally calling your own insecurities to attack me. like man, you just mentioned what you think about yourself.
- main character
- everything about your team
- worst fans
Basically every roster that we had serious expectations for disappointed us. Lev, NRG, Fnatic, Fut, Navi - All were supposed to, bare minimum, be a top 3 team in the region. I think it shows how well some coaches have done to build their teams correctly and to handle their teams correctly. Rosters with much more established frameworks actually were worse.
Even Paper Rex and EDG, both were supposed to dominate. If you watched them play their matches, it did not look like last year. Maybe it's the magic gone, but these guys all looked way worse than advertised. Again, it's just a thing of the world adapting with these teams just staying the same.
Of course, this excludes Loud who still look like a definite top 4 team in the world. My goat Saadhak would never.
Basically every roster that we had serious expectations for disappointed us. Lev, NRG, Fnatic, Fut, Navi - All were supposed to, bare minimum, be a top 3 team in the region.
dont think thats entirely right, or wrong. like you said its mostly about other teams and coaches doing better, building better systems.
Even Paper Rex....
i think its more because of how they couldnt really fill the gap jingg left. they did their best and still retained #2 in pacific
overall i still think the best deserving teams made it to madrid, barring one or two
It doesn't really effect us at all.
it doesnt affect us in reality, but it does make you (atleast me) feel a little bit better. honestly when i wrote this thread i was a lot more happy from nrg's loss, but now that you wrote, i am more or less unbothered. it gave me a moment of happiness, and that is something good enough for me.
Right now FNC are in a bit of a slump, sometimes you need a setback like this to motivate the team to do better.
i truly believe in this. there might be threads in mid august about how not making it to madrid was the reason why fnatic became so good.
and yeah i too would definitely love to see heretics win.
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