what kind of fruit is this?

mad respect, og drx fans know how this shit feels lmfao

F4Q

i feel like this is the best way to phrase talon

W players W coaching L attitude

i can't lie, all the people saying primmie on dive is worse for TLN is right but idfk why they just say it without any reasoning.

stats don't tell the whole story, so i get why a lot of people don't understand; TLN's main compositions are usually senti-heavy (occasionally even pulling out double senti + viper), and there's good reason for that. "but LOOOK at stats!!!" --> but also look at their dynamic within their team and how crws calls. crws is a fundamentally strong igl, but its known that when primmie dives in, TLN either has primmie getting a multikill with the help of util from backline, but if the util misses (or the opposition pulls out something unexpected out of their playbook/anti-strats, which teams like TS/RRQ do), or if primmie whiffs, their whole playbook is deterred and FrosT knows this. on the other hand, lets say primmie's on senti. you can actually see better synergy within the team (primmie on senti gives team more flex power) where primmie has the option to hard anchor on agents like dl, and rely on aim in an adv. scenario where they have site control, numbers, or plant down.

sure, win rate definitely counts and matters, but the fundamental idea that TLN, FrosT, and Crws agree on revolves around Primmie's senti play, and less of gambling on Primmie's performance from day-to-day on duelist. (less risk = better play, especially when the valo scene approaches a higher skill ceiling and less mistakes appear, which is also why you see a lot of pure aimers adopt the senti role like Meteor, leaf, tex, yay, Alfajer, Flashback, and Zellsis--see https://www.vlr.gg/360692/what-made-duelist-sentinel-so-successful)

but why is the hate received from k-netz being redirected to the valo community? seems kinda odd

thats like me lashing out to the Japanese Valorant community for Japan's past war crimes against Korea, it doesn't make sense

this isn't a "reap what they sow" case, its a faulty redirection of a hate game

good night, have a well-rested sleep

Take my words w a grain of salt

Love your forsaken/davai idea
crws has a lot of backbone in TLN, deserves his spot and maybe higher due to proven longevity
kolda will fall soon anyways
FNS going below top 5 will happen, but not yet. youre underestimating his accolades far too much (even as a stax fan FNS > stax's career)
biank is unclear yet (i wouldnt put him downwards/upwards yet), showing consistency in his calling then maybe

nobody is not top 6 or higher and this is the only take im pretty confident on. CN has been in the "mainstream" scene since 22, and practically EDG had a monopoly and it was definitely too easy to IGL in 22/23 within CN. 24 champs for EDG was amazing but I would rate KK CHICHOO and the stepping up of S1mon more than giving credit to nobody's igling, although his idling was solid. Plus, other than champs, EDG had a very rough year (both masters, early group stage knocks 0-4) and nobody made frequent miscalls--if nobody started out in any other region's pool, I heavily doubt that he would be the nobody he is today. Although personally I think boostio is a bit too high and i rate nobody > boostio, maybe even johnqt. Idk about top 6 or higher, but i would put him 1-2 higher than the list suggests at 8/9. (you might be slightly biased as well since youre an edg fan, but hey, everyone's biased one way or another)

ps i think OPs list is pretty solid

im not trying to be racist to yall, what?

I'm mad about the same things you're mad about, just on the other side. i hate the people who are trying to start to beef, and I love SEA, just not FrosT and a few extreme people.

a few bad apples from both sides, and fakeflaggers inciting drama

I want to believe that SEA and KR deep down have a good relationship, or at least one that's amiable

sorry if I sounded too aggressive myself, I tend to escalate the situation when I see an argument made from emotion

however, he did say that FrosT needs to go back to America if he's going to bitch about APAC scrim leaking and KR home-field adv.

while this wasn't a "GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY" toned comment, he definitely could've worded that better

woah dude, chill.

you just outed yourself as SEA, which makes sense, because I think you're a bit aggressive rn.

idk if you were a VCT fan back in 2022 (you made your VCT account/alt just a few weeks ago), but do you not remember all the memes DRX/PRX fans shared about being trophyless together? cringe-fest, but id say that a fair share of both fanbases bonded over choking on intl stages. and are you just ignoring the collab they did in 2023? and the friendly banter the fanbases have on twitter?

now since KR start winning, SEA fans get mad and racist like we are some petty losers.

well that's whats happening rn, isn't it? it's happening in front of your eyes!!

when have I or archetype ever said that KR isn't racist towards SEA? What??? Yes, both sides have racists attack each other from the beginning, but that's because Asians are just xenophobic as fuck. If you've been around VLR since 2021, you'll notice a crazy amount of SEA/KR fans beefing with each other and an increased number of xenophobic insults as compared to back then.

holy shit you genuinely sound like you're trying to play a combination of victim mindset and the racism card. i can assure you, that both KR/SEA are racist af and that the sheer number of SEA hate on KR has increased from 2021-23.

yeah im ngl that was a bit out of pocket. even if he's extra pissed, he shouldn't be throwing these out in a damn interview

not to be passive-aggressive, but i dont think its a good idea to start spreading ideas on the Internet when you don't have the full idea (or at least the full idea available via public sources)

no need to be sorry, you're just expressing your thoughts in a reasonable manner

i actually agree with all of your points except for your initial statement.

archetype's first paragraph is just factually true, and DRX/PRX has acknowledged this + even collabed
second paragraph is only factual, don't see any imagination to say this
third paragraph is also a fact? we're currently seeing an influx of hate/racism being thrown KR's way (yes, I admit that some r*arded Koreans are also xenophobic pricks) and that's obvious unacceptable in any circumstance?

so where are we imagining things? is there some invisible paragraph that I'm not aware about? am I just blind without noticing it?
if not, I think its time you quit hallucinating things out of your ass.

you cannot be talking.

iirc, all of your posts about KR have been negative/complain-y. now, I'm not going to directly say "flag," but maybe also consider the fact that you seem to be unable to stop the hate train LMFAO

lets get actual proof before we start using speculation to continue your d1 hating

i didn't see any korean-directed hate, i think you're good

its just that you just seemed a bit lost when it came to what was going on when you mentioned, "coalition against the sea teams," since that was not the most accurate thing to say + the fact that you seemed to be out of the loop with some pieces of the drama pie

I hope that happens--its just that it doesn't happen often, for example, all of the complaints about the match schedule and formatting issues that got neglected

oh and maybe its a bias (since you're a g2 fan so the incident is obvious more memorable to you), since these communal complaints only happen if they're very widescale and even then only have a nonzero chance of happening.

thanks for the correction

edit: well, we don't know for sure. FrosT claims that, but we don't know if Riot already ran an investigation and found nothing to be concerned about.

my personal favorite is yay icebox yellow where the JP caster goes crazy

#23 and no, apparently TLN posted their "evidence" to Jake Sin and got rejected. What makes you think that Riot's stance would change, even after publicizing the issue?

if you actually decided to pay closer attention, you would see Elevated's tweet where he denied this in a recent subtweet
also, geng academy also issued an apology right after, idk if that helps but take it as you will + termi also stated that he would retire if there was any evidence, so...

that sounds pretty convincing, as no one would call a stupid bluff like that if they didn't mean it.

with all of these figures, what's stopping them from dropping who's scrimleaking? that seems sus in itself?

I agree lets bring back chamber yes much fun

huh? this just isn't a thing, unless you mean the SEA fanbase trying to collectively maul on KR for... winning?

idk man if SEA isn't salty and are using baseless accusations as proof, idk what they're so mad about. as a drx fan I just want the proof to come out so we can get over this

sea and kr used to get along back in 2022... idrk what happened

obnoxious fanbase, bandwagoners, casuals acting like long-time fans, gloryriders

love the SEN org itself though

truth

W Hynix for the dono, also fuck you Hynix b/c #DRXFOREVER

Now, the coconut nut is a big, big nut

W post

literally no one.

retla? no
Zest? no
sScary? retired lol
Dereyon? no

saying "satirical" just doesn't quite equate to it being a "say whatever you want" card...

also, you clearly don't know what satire is. satire is used for the purpose of mocking/sneering at certain controversial topics. if it was a satirical comment about corrupt politicians, then touché, but in what dipfuckery of a world do you have to live in to smack the "satire" label on sayf saying that his OWN mom would SUCK HIS COCK?

dude, if I said that online, and looked back at it in maybe a year or so, it would be such an embarrassing reoccurring shower thought. holy shit.

this was exactly how i felt during 2023 masters tokyo as a DRX fan

what?

BME could've done the same thing? and if they did, the outcome could have been even worse, since BME might've started at the 2/3 or even 4 seed?

don't get your logic here, saving strats is on the team's own accord, and they're definitely paying off a giant risk

good chance that first seeds have the most attention onto them

• 1st seed teams probably exhausted all their good stuff when it didn't matter as much as playoffs

as much as a meme "saving strats" is, KR is notorious for saving strats in regular play (autumn's agent experimentation, termi's roster swaps) and that's a good reason why they always do good in regional playoffs. would assume this is similar for other reasons

well I'll eat my words

today's nerves got to them. hell, they might even become APAC's C9 if they play their cards wrong

don't think DGZIN and tuyz are at the same caliber that aspas, less, and cortezia are at

in fact, I think xenom and luk_xo are better shouts atm

also, RRQ isn't exactly unstable either, they've definitely improved in their consistency department.

it's just that BME is objectively better, albeit with less exposed names (dos9 and Famouz have been putting their names out there, but I personally like NcSlasher because a lot of people don't know he's a hidden gem with his util usage and situational awareness) than RRQ (e.g. Jemkin, Monyet, xffero/Tehbohtol, who are already well-established players)

BME getting underrated is so sad...

it's not like they've only won one game to even call it a fluke, they went 5-0 in the harder group in currently the hardest/most competitive overall (either APAC of AMER) region

what the fuck?

three weeks ago i hear all this mad shit from SEA and India how Koreans were all shitty and racist and this is what I come back to...

yeah fuck your ragebait, not worth being counter-racist for ts

honestly the world is shit with the way edgy jokes of people like cane sprout left right and center, but yes, kingop3n is dtm by overreacting with "rape isn't serious? nor racism? wow." Obviously isn't the same context... 🤦‍♂️

for now its good enough to "assume" a false negative by saying that cane only talks like that bc he's been surrounded by the toxic (edgy) culture

this is the reason why

greater sample size (n) = greater number of successes (x)

only reason why so many people perceive this is because he has an overwhelming amount of attempts

MAGOAT

i agree with this take, despite Korea having great infrastructure

kind of devious but I also just want to see the apparent "home-field advantage" pan out to see how true the cope is

you gotta believe in yourself, finna win it all

yes, they beat NS 2-1

u cooked*

surely OP wins it all

these picks are valid, no need to call them "odd picks" b/c they've shown that their aim is consistent

I think this is the most correct take out of anyone here...

there's a reason the news always highlights the most extreme, radical people and not the "normal" people

how are you getting upvoted my dude

this is just factually incorrect; #36 explains it perfectly

gordonramsay is tryna be reasonable with you, and you're just neglecting anything that doesn't fit your narrative. i honestly can't tell if you're just a skilled baiter or just stubborn all-around

excuse me and my korean bias but what exactly is justified about these statements?

defense my ass, I think any Korean would feel uneasy if you told them these flat-out racist statements.
these statements are racist in itself no? and in terms of defense, I think you've been going to every thread like this grisx23 character to openly berate about not only the KR scene, but being racist to Koreans in general?

So in what world is this truly justified, beyond the morality/truth behind the current drama regarding scrimleaking?

so we're just going to ignore every other match in Madrid other than the finals?

CS events are known to foster the uncouth-yet-couth vibe and are characterized by the franchises' deep roots and extremely loyal fanbases, some for over 15 years, which is 3x of what VALORANT stands as.

You ever see that one clip of the trumpet dude in? I'll link it for ya :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uQYeXjkKMg

just search up a whole ass drum session they had in the stands in IEM Rio as well

meanwhile in VALORANT, you can't even think of doing that (and I'm also pretty sure Riot-sanctioned events ban all sorts of things, and most definitely instruments of any sort)

to answer what's unhinged/unmoderated, just look at the fucking casters??? they have way more leeway and freedom to say certain phrases/topics, and mess around in general. whether its making a joke out of p*rn or openly cursing out a team, you have it all.

also ts happens constantly: https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1fnj5wc/maj3rs_response_to_blade_concerning_crowd_cheating/

so I hope this is enough evidence to make you reconsider what you're saying