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Take Some Accountability.

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kaninv

The last couple days ds_santos, a writer for VLR who I will now refer to as "Diogo", has made some problematic statements. Rather than take accountability for those statements, Diogo has repeatedly brushed them off. I will go over what statements and behaviors I personally find problematic, link back to those statements and top of that grab statements from fellow VLR members showing concern over this behvaior.

To start, Diogo made this tweet criticizing regular poster on VLR forums "james_ff". Criticizing someone is understandable, especially if done well and considering Diogo's position in the field. However, the way he went about it was taken by many as immature. Diogo in this tweet said lines such as "this is a forum dweller who spends his day checking player streams" and "this is not journalism, this is someone that needs to leave his parents' basement." Anyone can see that these Tweets are out of line considering the extent of influence james_ff has, and on top of that, these statements are not criticism but rather just hatred and insults towards james_ff.

This is not appropriate behavior for someone who is supposed to be a source of news and information, especially considering that james_ff is trying to become one himself. Rather than taking any accountability for making those comments, he doubled down with the statement that: "James is an absolute clown." This was not taken well, and maybe community members pointed out that it felt like "journalism was being gatekept" and the response was immature.

Afterwards, Diogo yet again rather than taking accountability posted on twitter. This time, Diogo quoted VLR posts and comments with sarcastic statements such "the weight of the community's opinion is more than i can bear to stand." This response, at least to me, shows lack of care for what the community thinks which I find concerning considering the community is what runs the site.

Expanding on the lack of care for what the community thinks, when Diogo made a comment on his thread about rhyme, he said "thankfully the naysayers don't pay me." They are the life and blood of the website, and I find making light of valid criticism from the people who make the site as lively as it is and bring in the traffic is immature and crass. This Tweet and that comment are still up and has not been edited.

Finally, all the james_ff drama cooled down. However, this was unfortunately not the end of the issues Diogo has caused this last week. In tragic news, KRU player "DaveeyS" passed away due to decompensation. While many in the community mourned, Diogo sent out a tweet starting with the line that "Twisten's passing hit me a great deal heavier than DaveeyS, maybe due to how little I watched the Americas." While the Tweet also stated that "sitting down at my desk today to learn this was disheartening," it left a bad taste in many people's mouths.

Many people posted that they thought that the Tweet very much lacked empathy and was poorly written considering the circumstances, but unfortunately this was yet another time Diogo did not take any action for the community's displeasure. Rather, he posted "hi" showing absolutely 0 concern for the community's concerns over his Tweet and taking 0 accountability for the way he phrased a tragic event.

Due to this, when Diogo made a comment on why George Geddes was hated, he immediately got downvoted and replied to people criticizing the way he handled the DaveeyS situation with comments such as "I got flamed by an echo chamber" and that "I don't know how to live like this, I'm utterly shattered" to people downvoting him and saying he should listen to his own community. Yet again showing his lack of connection to the brand he works for and not taking accountability for his actions.

Personally, I am not asking for the removal of Diogo as a writer, I enjoy his articles and I think he is valuable to the growth of Valorant and the reporting scene. However, his harmful attitude towards people attempting to do the same work as him and his lack of concern for the community's criticism as well is concerning to me. All I am asking for is some accountability taken for the actions that have transpired over this last week. All I can hope is that you see this, Diogo, and change your mind on some of the statements you have made and your outlook on how important it is to foster community respect and understanding rather than alienating yourself. I have tried my best.

Thank you.

TL;DR - ds_santos needs to take accountability for his negligence of community displeasure due to his actions

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oblvs
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james_ff is a W

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alecksdesk
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james_ww

#108
RetiredRadiant
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ALLAT

#3
Kirya
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Cook that fraud

#4
dayyaan1
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Way too many words. Do better next time

#5
kaninv
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tl;dr ds_santos needs to take accountability for his negligence of community displeasure due to his actions

#7
mwakii
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I enjoyed reading this, and I agree with the statement :)

#6
B1itz
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There is 0 chance that clown takes responsibility. Hes the type of guy to never even consider he could possibly be wrong

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kaninv
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I'm trying my best so he does :/ we can hope.

#8
Saikko
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allat

#9
FaceNeck
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I can do the same thing Santos does, wait for information to come out and then write an "article" about it and post it on VLR lol.

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theogblazen
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real bro does nothing special

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wizardbot
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"Twisten's passing hit me a great deal heavier than DaveeyS, maybe due to how little I watched the Americas, but sitting down at my desk today to learn this was disheartening. Fuck life. Fuck all of it."

I don't think this is as bad as you tried to make it same seem in your post. Cutting half the tweet is pretty dishonest and disingenuous from your end. Agree with the rest of the post.

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kaninv
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Understandable POV that it's a bit cherry picked- however I think it's important to recognize that the phrasing at the beginning isn't well done and potentially harmful. If you want to read my take on it you can read https://www.vlr.gg/271302/what-did-ds-santos-do#17 onwards!

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wizardbot
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I understand what you're saying. Infact it was my first thought too that it was in poor taste when I read the first part of the twt yesterday. However your post makes it seem way worse than it was and I was just trynna say you shouldn't cheery pick in matters like this one.

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kaninv
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good point, I'll update the post to reflect that.

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h786
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exactly my thought.

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Tomatongfuel
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It's just very poorly phrased, especially considering he regularly writes english language articles. The opening implies DaveeyS's life had less meaning for him, and it would be good of him to clarify

#11
CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer
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allat read

its GEEEGEEEEEE for fraudtalyx

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frakeN
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W

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FDWC-
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I think he is valuable to the growth of Valorant and the reporting scene.

FUCK NO LOL

#18
kaninv
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updated with his comment that "the naysayers don't pay my bills" ^-^ might reformat a section to expand on it!

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kaninv
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also added his comments from the George Geddes thread!

#20
kaninv
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bump :)

#21
yukky
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‘I think he is valuable to the growth of Valorant and the reporting scene.’

no need to lie

#22
number1_cned_hater
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First long post I actually read on vlr nice job 👍

#23
Visuals
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bump. Bros not gonna respond LMAO

#24
jkjkjk
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he won't do anything because he thinks with his wallet/paycheck. he made it pretty clear that he doesn't care about any of the opinions here, because you don't pay him (even though that's technically incorrect, he's indirectly being paid by usage of this website)

if majority of users start using thespike.gg instead of vlr.gg for a few weeks and specifically state that they do it because of his actions, then his boss will be forced to make him do something about it, or his boss will remove the potential liability of the website's financial sustainability.

his mentality can only be met with a similar mentality.

unfortunately, I doubt that many users here have the mental strength to accomplish this

#25
kaninv
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vlr users try not to use vlr every day challenge (impossible) (almost cried) (cops showed up!?!?!!?)

#26
SaltyMcNulty
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Legit weirdo! 2 people lost their lives and this mf made it all about himself! Also, does he not understand that guys like james_ff gives the site he works for more traction? Needs to fired immediately.

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noxx
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calling a user a "basement dweller" even tho he publishes articles in the same website and lurks in the same website

#27
kaninv
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bro does not wanna reply.
posted 43 minutes ago thread up 2 hours ago

#31
h786
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stop bumping bro, you seem desperate. honestly its not that deep anymore.

#32
kaninv
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ty for bump

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h786
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I'll bump again because i feel bad for you.

#94
kaninv
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thank you h786
you should feel worse for Diogo considering he will not address these issues and continue to get hate on every single post he makes.
very unfortunate he didn't take this opportunity.

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h786
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this was a good opportunity, maybe sometime in the future i hope...

#97
bobkiller
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idk why every time there’s something semicontroversial, you squirrel to the side that most people don’t support

idk if ur 14 and have main character syndrome or something but use your brain and stop trying to be special and get off your high horse

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h786
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bro i literally switched up... did you see his response?

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terribletyranny
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thats the problem with you
you half-ass what side you're going to be with and switch up or backpedal as soon as the first sign of discomfort or contradiction to your personal biases arises. You've been on santos' cock for as long as these threads are being made and now you say "i literally switched up" as if people are expected to know who you are or what you say.

You're a clown and everyone treats you like one too because you think this is some kind of debate forum where you have to play devil's advocate.

#113
h786
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wdym. i still stand by my point that he is genuinely over hated. look at all my posts. i have constantly said that what he said was a blunder.
that isn't to say that i necessarily switched up, but from bobkiller's perspective since he assumed i was staunchly for santos, i did. its all you guys who are vehemently opposed to anything he does, i am only on the rational side, without retracting the fact that i agree that he should be regretful for his actions, to that end, i would expect him to also message the people he may have felt needed reconciliation, but it doesn't necessarily need to be public.

you can call it devil's advocate, i call it a rational and unbiased perspective.

i dont want to explain myself again, but i keep the same views i had before.

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terribletyranny
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no, he is not "over-hated", he deserves exactly the kind of criticism someone in his stead should be getting if not less. Gatekeeping esports journalism, especially when one is a student and not an accomplished personality on a forum that has only recently been recognized as anything close to resembling official, is a pathetic way to show your insecurity. He tries to feign superiority when he is clearly sweating that james now has a larger sphere of influence, more followers and engagement on both twitter and vlr now.

He has doubled and tripled down on his stance and has refused to elaborate or be held accountable, continuously showing his immaturity and inability to grasp public reprimand. In the MarCom industry, there is NO space for misinterpretation. A writer does not "not mean what they say (your quote)", they are a journalist and should be well aware of the kind of content they are putting out regardless of context.

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bobkiller
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it’s so crazy that every unbiased and rational opinion just so happens to be the minority

you would think that most people would side with the reasonable side

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Dnzeen
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Bros been getting cyberbullied this week

#29
Granite
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W Read. Ty OP for the article

I will find his IP Address now

#30
kaninv
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I aren't think that's the solution..........

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h786
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i would like to add if we are posting how unprofessional he is, then you also have to include james: https://www.vlr.gg/264063/come it really shouldn't be in your narrative to poke at that. since both ds santos and james are ok to do what they feel to a reasonable degree

#34
hxnW
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#1 diogo cocksucker

#35
h786
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you: NPC just following the current narrative without brain 👍

#43
funny_prank
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doing tricks on it

#56
yukky
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i’m different so i must be right 🤓🤓🤓

his ass is not gonna let u fuck

#36
kaninv
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comparing james to a predator who in that post immediately attacked james (mythVLR, not the other guy) making a comment about VLR is insane to me
james is also an amateur writer and has taken responsibility for things getting out of hand and addressed it

My plan was never to reach this extend of drama and do apologize for the mess created on the site on my behalf.

stop with the dumb posts

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jkjkjk
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This is a weird whataboutism...
but let's entertain it: who said that james_ff is professional in this thread? he's not even a journalist (the only point that ds_santos/eutalyx got right), he's merely a reporter that lives on streams and vlr.gg , hoping to make a career out of it (small chances, but I guess he's trying). That doesn't excuse the comments made by the subject of this thread, nor does it warrant the behavior of some other reporters who don't need to be named (through which they simply show their insecurities)

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iammika1999
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I read the tweet and it doesn't seem as bad as you make out to be, dude just saying he doesn't watch americas so he probably didn't know Daveeys that much. That 1st part was definitely unecessary tho

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Schizophrenic_Brazil_Fan
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But why mention that?
Why on the recent news of a passing, say you “didn’t feel that much”??
Like, you don’t need to leave a deep message
Just a “a sad day for Latam” would suffice
There is no need to mention twisten even

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funny_prank
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he is comparing the deaths of two people. No one in their sane minds would sincerely do that. It doesn't make sense why he should mention Twisten

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ASTEROIDCHILD
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the funniest thing about this is how fragile this guy's ego is to keep doubling down

it's like im watching a mini george, except the fat brit actually has some sort of following that explains his ego. santos you are as much of a gigarandom as anyone else on this forum, you have zero reason to be this defensive lmaooo

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Schizophrenic_Brazil_Fan
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James_ff is Literally doing investigative work by scouring several hours of video just so we can have A theorical idea of what the next rosters are gonna be.

While this fraud just writes on shit we all already saw on the VCT livestreams 💀

“KRU won LCQ..” yeah.. I know.. I watched the tournament 💀

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zen-o
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I mean, not to defend them, but they also give highlights on the best parts of the game.

#44
BadlandsChugs
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literally all he has to do is just ignore this hypoxia of a website and it wouldve been dropped like 3 days ago

#45
BadlandsChugs
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ngl i just realized this was eutalyx this whole time

#46
kaninv
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I miss the old ds_santos, straight from the go ds_santos
News on the go ds_santos, set on his goals ds_santos
I hate the new ds_santos, the bad mood ds_santos
The always rude ds_santos, spaz in the news ds_santos
I miss the sweet ds_santos, up on the new rosters ds_santos
I gotta say, at that time I'd like to meet ds_santos

#47
donut2612
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read allat

#48
proud_bandwagoners
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cars abt both

#49
kaninv
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bump again until accountability is taken

#51
noxx
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bumpington

#52
1cameh
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Let's goo

#53
Wulftan
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Bump

#54
Carthage_Er_Pola
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Common poopytalyx L

#55
SAMPV6
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NGL this santos guy is a fucking ass to say the least, definitely doesn't deserve to be writing on VLR, where we clearly dislike the guy.

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tennisfan
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ds_santos is a fraud bring back eutalyx

#58
danii1
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Bumping so he gives us a response

#59
TheLegend27
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You definitely wrote he is valuable so ur thread doesn’t get removed lmao. A fifth grader could do what this guy does.

#60
cholikarr
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Why people acting like hes some politican or important figure who talked shit???
Im sure 90% of the vlr users here including me have had way worse opinions or takes , why he get so much attention if he is just a journalist of this website.......... geoerge gedes is understaandable but this guy not get 10 like on tweet also so why hating on someone with no fanbas

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TheLegend27
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Well all his articles come out on this website, so basically everyone who is hating is someone that reads his articles, so it’s understandable that they are holding him accountable. While he may not be known in the Twitter space, enough people recognize him in the vlr space for him to be known

#64
cholikarr
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people take this website seriously or what , looking at threads u would expecct the journalists and news wala also to be 🔽

#63
cholikarr
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he is comparing the deaths of two people. No one in their sane minds would sincerely do that. It doesn't make sense why he should mention Twisten

#65
TheLegend27
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??? Bros arguing with himself

#66
kaninv
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bump due to no response still

#70
SteveLob
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^

#69
valorant_player
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bros gonna get poached by Riot with a track record like this 😂😂😂

#72
Mkin11
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hello there

#73
kaninv
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I thought you were Diogo at first you scared me with that response

#74
acels2
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is this diogo guy stupid?

#75
supernova
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ds_santos more like ds_coward

-Supernova The King of Valorant

#76
kaninv
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almost 100 upvotes still no response

#77
kaninv
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still waiting :D

#78
DrudaL
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bump !

#79
vitzsu
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nah bro that twisten comment is wild. why would you even bring another persons death to this conversation? and the fact that he even compared them nahhhhh might as well shut up and say nothing

also BUMP where are you mf

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TurtleFeather
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Yeah that is just so fucked up for him to say that

Also bump

#80
rhixcal
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give it up hermano, the boy is not remorseful. dont waste your time on people who cant be reasoned with.

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kaninv
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soon I might have to but still grossly irresponsible to not even address the criticism considering many people are not happy with him currently

#82
kbkdark
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I think he could change his username to "Ego, The Living Writer" like Ego, The Living Planet from Guardians of Galaxy... It would make more sense due to the amount of shit things that he had done and not even apologizing

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HaIfIife
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james_ff >>> all day

#84
ItsMeDio
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Give DS Santos a slack guys...

#88
Ballsamolee
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What slack? He said that DaveeyS death didn’t mean much compared to Twisten.

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FDWC-
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?

#85
nairolf1337
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I aint reading that novel but the upvotes look good so well done, cook that fraud

#86
titanwithpp
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DioGOBLOK

#87
Sk00d
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while the DaveeyS stuff seems to be just blown out of proportion, I agree that his comments on james are quite infuriating, great post summarizing the story OP

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trola
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comparing real people's death is insanity

#90
GreyDaze
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That jackass ain't gonna reply. U wasted ur time and energy unfortunately

#91
kaninv
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final bump, after this I give up unfortunately. I thought by writing something informational with genuine feedback Diogo would be mature and I would get a response, but it seems like I was foolish. I was hoping maybe he would change his outlook on how he's affecting this site and the users and his own image, but it seems he does not care. Very unfortunate. Thank you everyone who read through and gave feedback as well as pushed for change.

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🇵🇰

#100
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy
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I don't think you understand how accountability works. The idea of holding someone accountable only works is said person gives a fuck about you (which this dude clearly doesnt). All you're doing is malding into the void about shit ppl already made their minds up about to someone who could care less about what you think. This entire discussion is just so insanely pointless.

Also no. Journalists and employees of a company are not accountable to said company's fans.

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kaninv
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I'm not "holding him accountable" I'm telling him to hold himself accountable for his actions and take some responsibility for alienating himself from the community, I clearly know he doesn't care that's why I posted it so maybe he changes his mind. Doesn't seem like it will happen though. Employees are not accountable to a company's fans, but they for sure should hold themselves accountable if they want to be liked by their fans which is extremely important since if no one who is consuming your product likes you, they might stop consuming the product reducing revenue. I appreciate the feedback, just don't think it was well placed.

#102
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy
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'm not "holding him accountable"

ok you literally follow this with

I'm telling him to hold himself accountable for his actions

that is holding him accountable... You are telling him that he should hold himself accountable on terms that you set because it is what you want him to do. That is you attempting to hold him accountable. You're just making a really dumb semantics argument.

I clearly know he doesn't care that's why I posted it so maybe he changes his mind

what the fuck is that horrible logic "i know he doesnt care about my opinion which is why i told him my opinion because it would change his mind"

Employees are not accountable to a company's fans, but they for sure should hold themselves accountable if they want to be liked by their fans

again this is you saying "employees are not accountable to fans but if they dont accept accountability in a way that fans find acceptable fans will complain" that is attempting to hold employees accountable via public shaming. Again with the really dumb semantic arguments.

which is extremely important since if no one who is consuming your product likes you, they might stop consuming the product reducing revenue

no one is boycotting his articles and not reading them. no one is leaving vlr because he is a journalist for them.

#103
kaninv
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holding accountable vs requesting change is semantics sure, I guess you could say "I'm holding him accountable for not holding himself accountable" but it just sounds off to me. The logic is that he would read this, go "wow I didn't care but maybe I should since I'm alienating myself from the community" and see the all the attention put on his actions. Your original statement of "they aren't accountable" is true, they are not, but they should be if they want to continue being a successful company. Companies have shut down because of people's complaints and lack of revenue from them due to others seeing the complaints and not using the service. While I doubt this post will have that affect, I think it's important to at least get the message out there for those who care and hopefully to Diogo himself, but it seems like that will not happen. on the boycotting note, his newest article had someone literally comment "not reading because it's by ds_santos" so at least someone is doing it, but obviously that doesn't matter since they clicked through. if someone can't bring up what they find wrong with what someone did just because it won't start a full on boycott, then no change would be made in the world since most of the time the starting point is not that extreme for these issues. No point in commenting further, you are a 0 star who's entire profile is arguing.

#104
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy
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you are a 0 star who's entire profile is arguing.

guess theres no point replying then. if you're the type to value vlr stars then you spend waaaaaaaaaay too much time on the internet.

#105
FDWC-
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bop

#106
andsoistarteddabbing
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OP is cringe, I support eutalix no matter what
COMMON EUTALIX W

#107
Thriceistoocold
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Blud his alt

#109
andsoistarteddabbing
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eutalix win
caninv loss
that's how it go..

#110
LyCan52
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💀💀💀

#112
kaninv
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that's how it go..

#135
Diebs
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doing mad tricks on it

#144
andsoistarteddabbing
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Heck yea dab on the haters

#115
SAMPV6
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Fuck it all my homies hate diogo doggo

#116
tomato211222
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"homies" lmfao bro thinks they are his homies

#118
SAMPV6
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Bro doesn't know what a meme is

#117
MagnumRaging
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now this explains a lot

#120
escaleirex
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i aint reading allat

#121
kaninv
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ok but ty for bump :)

#122
reycac
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W diogo

#123
kaninv
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reycuck is back 😱

#124
axeli
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bump.

#125
FDWC-
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bop

#126
xLeo
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bumP

#128
alecksdesk
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bump

#129
FDWC-
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bop

#130
kbkdark
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Now I understand why nutab1e always called him pooptalyx
LMFAO

#131
babysasuke
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poopastyx*

#133
kbkdark
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Yeah! LMAO
my bad

#132
FDWC-
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LMAO

#134
Diebs
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common poopastyx L

#136
NoOne_ButMe
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Blud is literally scared to even come out and say anything
W you for allat

#139
canyon
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Blud is making money publishing articles and doesn't seem to care about this echo chamber hivemind lmao you guys waste so much energy and time in random shit

#140
NoOne_ButMe
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how are we wasting time and energy in all this when this a site in which people debate about valo stuff
are you braindead?

#141
canyon
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No I'm talking about people crying over his statements when it don't mean shit and wasting time making threads asking him to apologise knowing he'd never give these cocksuckers any attention like they are giving to him lmao

Dude's just been on an article spree and doesn't even care to give a solitary fuck about people writing L writor, ds santos take accountability and what not lmao

If you still think it's alright go ahead and continue with the bullshit but know this however hard you try he ain't giving shit, that doesn't mean I'm trying to defend him, its just so many threads that pisses me off lmao

#142
NoOne_ButMe
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i also know that the amount of threads are too much asking him for apologise(which he will never do)
but he is constantly avoiding the topic like it never happened

but the amount of people just helding it is also unnecessary like writing L writer and stuf
but what do you even expect from the people of website where they discuss about videogame

#137
jonny05
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bump

#138
unknown_trash
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BUMP

#143
Subwaywang
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bump

#145
FDWC-
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BUMP CUZ HE'S MAKING A COMEBACK

https://www.vlr.gg/279882/fire-flux-transfer-yetujey-to-fut-esports

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