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bobkiller

I want to understand why you don’t appreciate james_ff’s work and choose to suck up to George Geddes.

I understand that George Geddes has been reporting for a long time now and most of his information is reliable, but why denigrate james_ff for doing his research by scanning every stream for scrims, and posting his findings online?

What has james done to you for you to attack him for no reason other than doing his job? George Geddes doesn’t even respond to James’ tweets with real sentences, with responses like “lol”, how do you expect anyone to take his side?

You should seriously reflect on your actions and provide a logical response for hating on james, not just because he is a “forum dwelling goblin”.

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lol watch me get banned for this shit

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famous last words

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i actually do not get it man
james is putting a lot of time into it, the mf is investigating for himself, its not just pre-available info
why are they so pressed? james even admits hes not good yet and is trying to get better

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because they think being journalist needs to be professional and not stalking kkkkkkkkkk, basically you need to have a networking to be a journalist otherwise you are a fraud.

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thats funny to me
james could get networking easy if he wanted to, BoDork my goat has offered to help james get started with that, to sort of guide him

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also who is eutalyx to talk about this? his only job in the vlr community is to write articles, which I appreciate, but you are in no place to talk about james’ journalism

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apparently, other vlr writer talk down about james too. like everyone know he didn't get 100% right but he has served the community something to talk about with his dedication to checking scrim FOR FREE.

https://twitter.com/TMosuraaa/status/1697666145694912640?s=20

I am very disappointed

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dude paying for journalist degree KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

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buddy is just pressed because james can do the same thing that he does but better and without having to pay for a journalism degree 🤣🤣🤣

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what did it say i cant see

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bumping this until I get a response from eutalyx

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Prob won't respond. To busy sucking off george

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nah bro, you will get banned.

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well at least I’ll get banned as a martyr

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L from both him and tmosura. Thought they were chill but got exposed as clowns now

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No they are right james_ff is a good guy and all but he isnt a journalist/reporter yet call him goat whatever but he aint journalist yet and thesse journalist have much better skill sets than james_ff but nobody give them credit instead to someone who watches streams i am not discrediting james_ff but your the one thats a clown

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Yeah man writing an article that has been already posted in Twitter accounts doesn't mean they have much better skillset than James. Even I can write an article like that. Anyone who is proficient in English can do the same. James_ff is new and he is already doing a better job at leaking than whatever these "journalists" are doing. But u do u. Keep busy d riding them. It's a fact they are fragile manchildren who can't handle a random person on vlr coming for their jobs

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common Poopastyx L

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They're all jelly idiots who unironically are in the networking of george geddes. These are the mods who delete threads when you critique george geddes & his clickbait reporting. Notice the mods, take down their names, next time a thread related to GG goes down, you know which mod it is.

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W🗿

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bump no one dare disrespect our goat JAMES_FF

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bump

I want a genuine response, James doesn't have a "degree" for reporting but online it isn't really necessary and most large accounts reporting on drama, things happening in the world etc don't have one. he is doing his best with what he has and I'd rather help someone come up that I respect than someone like George. I don't see the issue.

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gatekeeping esports journalism is fucking crazy
theyre talking as if theyve been in the scene for 10 years when the game hasnt even been out for 4, pathetic display of insecurity from them

james u my goat fr im not even trolling if u stop coz of these idiots i will find ur home and take a big fat shit in it

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Valorant journalism is corrupt and heavily gatekept, this isn't new knowledge by any means. All these guys have really large egos and will do everything in their power to keep upcoming talent from any success.

Rare W from bodork, that was good of him to reach out whilst his peers continue to be immature

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rare W?

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Cringedork is always glazing tf out of fartnatic or just blabbering the worst takes on twitter

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he's a big ragebaiter it's kinda chad

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Fair enough then

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🤝

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who cares lmao

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common realdeal L

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l or w i couldnt give a shit what you think LMAO

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we do?

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whos we. its only me

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Yeah idk where this perception that all the journalists are in bed with each other is coming from but it's the furthest thing from the truth. People have beef with each other on the regular because of stuff that they do for their livelihood and careers and still get trashed by things like "ALLAT", "who cars", 2 follower twitter accounts and 🗿 spam

You can't really call what james_ff is doing "journalism" though because it's just not that. It's just being nosy (my opinion, but all the info is out there if you're willing to do the work, which he is doing) and posting your discoveries as content for others to consume. It's really investigative content creation, and calling yourself a journalist when you actually aren't is one of the fastest ways to get called out by people who are actually in the space doing the everyday work of covering things

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well worded and thought out response
I agree with everything said, however we are yet to see if he will do actual journalism once he has more sources than just "being nosy" to his disposal. still agree though that it isn't really journalism yet, but to my knowledge that is the end goal for him.

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You can't tell if what he's doing is "journalism", but there's absolutely no reason for a well-known reporter like George to try and shit on a newcomer who's trying his best to learn how things work in that world and trying to build his path, not everyone starts with sources, being "nosy" is what he can do for now, and its absolutely clown behavior to try and shit on people looking for opportunities. That is the big Issue.

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I think his "nosy" Efforts are far more impressive than sucking up to staff and players in dms and begging for leaks. People like George always end up being propaganda machines for the orgs leaking to them.

James work doesnt rely on favours or sucking up. There is no biased presentation. Nada.

Its just a lot of work these lazy bums arent willing to do.

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people "begging for leaks" in the way that you seem to be framing it just isn't a thing, despite what others outside the know would believe

the reality is that getting sources and people on the inside that know things to tell you stuff is entirely based on what connections you have and the trust you've built with them. it works in a similar way that sports leaks work with people like Adam Schefter of ESPN if anyone is familiar with the NFL and the roster leaks that he posts

also being a "propaganda machine" for orgs isn't really a thing either. a lot of people are curious as to what NRG's new roster is going to look like without s0m and FNS, so that creates a stock of interest that people like george would be wise to get info on so he can put out his own content out first to get the most eyes on his work. that's how all of this works. it's a content-based world and the producers of the content need to put effort into what will get good return on their time invested into it.

James work doesnt rely on favours or sucking up. There is no biased presentation. Nada.
It's just a lot of work these lazy bums aren't willing to do.

this is true, but anyone that truly is a journalist doesn't do favors or sucks up to others (because it's unethical and also easily paints you in a bad light), unless that's what you consider the relationships that people build just by talking with people online or in game

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How is de_santos an esports journalist? I ONLY know him from the occasional article he rights on this site.

Is that all it takes to be a journalist? Is he paid to write on this site? What content does he bring to the table other than writing a few articles about events that have already happened?

There is no investigating, it’s very rare you learn anything new from what he is writing.
If anything, he is more of a writer than a journalist. He seems super salty that people are more interested in finding out rumors and things they don’t know then they are about reading his views on events most people already know about or have seen.

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Sure what youre saying is what everyone would like to believe but really isnt accurate.

I have followed league of legends esports for a long time and generally every leaker eventually starts saying things that are favourable to their main sources in order to maintain good relationships with them. Most of the time it ends up being management figures from the orgs that the leakers essentially protect. They aid in burying narratives that would be unfavourable to the orgs interests.

Leakers like george like to act like theyre all honest but either they follow suit or they get left behind like a jacob wolf type for example. The suck ups get preferential treatment from the sources and are therefore faster to break the story. Also they get more access to drama stories that do really really good numbers if they can be trusted to present them in favourable ways.

At the end of the day sources dont leak for fun. They leak because it is benefitial to them in some way. And leakers are their tools to do so.

Not relying on relationships and essentially "stealing" the info like James does frees him from all these factors and makes the reporting simply more pure.

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u think george & the other journalists aren't nosy either?

blud literally begs every pro for leaks. that's what i'd call nosy

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being in the know and being nosy are two completely different things

people "begging for leaks" in the way that you seem to be framing it just isn't a thing, despite what others outside the know would believe

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How is that any different? You literally just described being nosy.

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being in the know is really a way of describing those that have an information network that others would otherwise not have access to

nosy how I'm describing it is sifting through info that has little to no face value and creating value out of it, but that's my opinion

I still stand by what I said as james_ff's work not being journalism but investigative content creation

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so you're forced to be an investigative content creator until you build an information network then you get like promoted to journalist? no one starts with an information network... you build it... refer back to #53

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I never said that he's forced to be that, but not providing more written elements other than Team X: +Player Y, Player Z | -Player A, -PlayerB and visual proof isn't journalism. Giving context and background is what bridges that gap.

I dislike gatekeeping in journalism as much as the next person but there's gotta be a line between what is journalism and what it isn't

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so adding 10 thousand words of filler is what makes a journalist?

got it thanks

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again, not what I said

stop putting words into my mouth

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i just said what #64 said it a not so smart way

respond to that content creator hudsen

continue thread →

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I'd rather have that then having someone write a whole lot of nothing

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So adding context and background is what bridges journalism vs "Investigative Content Creation"
Let's give an example. If James_ff instead posted something along the lines of "read more" and his vlr thread said the following:
Marved seen trialing for NRG roster after what seems like leaving Sentinels after ROUGH season for the team. Tex, who comes from The Guard is a SHOCK move after they just got franchised!?!?! What will happen now!!! JohnQT COMING UP FROM TIER TWO has to prove himself in Tier 1 competition now as Ardiis potentially moves back to EU and s0m and FNS take a step back to focus on content creation.

Is he a journalist now? Am I a journalist for writing that now?
Curious.

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yeah that qualifies as journalism and writing

a little dramatic but that's my $0.02

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ok I respect the response. I will let james_ff know and maybe he can add it and transform his reporting into journalism, I actually want james_ff to be a good reporter and be respected in the future since I am not a fan of George and would like to see someone I respect more able to report

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ok I respect that. but sub tweeting is a bit…

say what you gotta say though king

but I still don’t understand why George and eutalyx are attacking james would be great if you had some info on that <3

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dont you do just content creation as well? im looking at your writings and they’re just recaps and shit that happened in twitter/twitch???

actually seeing 0 difference between u and james except that james doesn’t drag two sentence summarizations into a whole essay

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match recaps and roster announcements are completely different from scrimbux?

my guy if you can't see the difference between those three things then I have no reason to continue a conversation with you

not to mention match recaps and roster announcements are literally the overwhelming majority of what esports journalism is

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getting information willingly from parties (nosy) vs getting information unwillingly from parties (not nosy)?
taking information (nosy) vs asking for information (not nosy)?
the difference then would be what connections you have, as you say, which James is building up since he started with none. Wouldn't that mean at the start it is required for him to be nosy? I am confused.

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i just don’t understand why you guys would get so butthurt over a twitter job title 💀💀

but the thing is james is more trusted on this website than all the journalists combined atm

plus what’s the difference between you guys and james?

all i see on vlr is just articles on things that already happened or just a tweet that can be summed up in 2 sentences but get dragged out for like 10 paragraphs

james content is more engaging and entertaining no matter if it’s not all accurate yet

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I agree with a lot of what was said, but now I’m curious as to what your definition of journalist is. If investigative content creation isn’t journalism, then idk what is.

james_ff and George Geddes are doing, in essence, the same thing: they gather information and report it to the public. The only difference is, they report on different information. James focuses on scrims and uses that as information to spread to the public, while George Geddes, in one way or another, gets his information. (tbh idk how he gets the info)

By your definition, if someone who is nosy cannot be considered a journalist, then George isn’t a journalist either. He doesn’t write for an organization, (which I mean tbf already stops most people from calling themselves journalists as real journalists have to go through layers and layers of management and editing to get their news publish, as per my journalist friend), George also doesn’t openly interview players for information about roster moves and somehow gets “reliable” information from his sources. (I mean most stuff he posts is true) But how on earth does he get this info without being nosy? Without tailing people and using connections to ask reliable sources about roster leaks?

But really, the most important issue here isn’t if james_ff is a real journalist, because frankly I don’t give a fuck if he is one or not. He is a member of the valorant community that provides information to the public, and we will not stand to see him get pushed around by George Geddes and other “prominent figures” in the space. They are 1 human being and have no more right than anyone does to say who gets to report on info and who doesn’t.

You’re right. Beef between people happens every single minute. But beef without reason is just being a dick. There is 0 reason to hate on a member of the community just because he is doing the same thing as another person. Which is reporting facts

If you really want other people to think that valorant people are toxic and immature, then go ahead and continue to denigrate everyone who tries to help better the community.

It’s really a shame that people who choose to look down upon others instead of helping them grow and the ones that are the most well known in the community.

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To me that seems like clownish and immature behavior, there's no reason for journalists like Geddes and ds_santos to be mad by someone who is doing his best to get into the Esports journalism scene and criticize him for using "Journalist" in his twitter bio, instead of behaving like children, they could have chosen to ignore the mistake, or they could have left some feedback on what could be better.
Nobody starts knowing what to do and how to do it. And if he never starts, he'll never know if it's going to work or not.

It's normal that he doesn't have sources or doesn't know how to get them, he has to rely on himself to get the information, and if there are journalists who are hurt by this, why don't they guide him or at least tell him something to do differently that could help him and "raise the bar for Esports writers" instead of calling it Investigative content?

I wanted to awnser one of the comments in this, but this shit is way 2 full so i just went with the original.

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I do agree that this is not journalism (yet), i believe that he can get more trusty sources and make himself a big name in val journalism, but sniping streamers friends is not journalism.

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https://twitter.com/ds_santos_/status/1698007122401763548

He noticed you bruv. He aint just responding. Instead going on full mode self pity. 💩

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They're gatekeepers journalists

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hudsen & ds_santos, james_ff clears you bots and he actually speculates with VLR posting his sources & scrim pics so we can discuss with him. you guys can beg pros and media content managers of top teams' DMs to get vague info while james_ff actually gave us much more accurate info. He actually goes through the streams, engages with everyone & theory crafts on here. what the fuck do you bots do? be on a high pedestal by begging your useless sources? losers.

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never saw someone on vlr as based as you

holy w on first 3 lines

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Nah james_ff has had soany inaccurate stuff and you say that he is more accurate?? Do you know that if the leaker like George leaks to early I might result in the deal breakijg thru bro acts as if journalists don't have a job