Surely she's a shout atleast. EG on paper aren't as good as the other top teams in Americas and making Tokyo with them is elite
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Is Potter the best coach in the world?
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thiagomds [#2]one of the best for sure. EG showed the best/second best fundamentals in Americas league. She did a miracle with this roaster. Imagine what she could do in a superteam.
Top 3 or top 5 minimum
babysasuke [#5]Can't even consider it until we see what they do at Masters
Team looks good now, but we've never seen them in a high stakes match
Yeh that's true. But still she's minimum top 5. To make Tokyo with EG
Yessirskiiii [#6]Wdym baiting? She's gotta be in the convo atleast
one tournament and she is one of the best?
my_fav_team_is_M3C [#8]We shall see
I won’t rate Potter high before she makes deep run in international event.
deep run with this roaster?she already performed a miracle
Yessirskiiii [#9]Yeh that's true. But still she's minimum top 5. To make Tokyo with EG
Sounds like you're underrating the players on EG a little bit
They looked cohesive, but there was some absolute heroics going on at the same time
I think the only way you can make argument for top 5 rn is because they looked more prepared than NRG and Chet, BUT Chet/FNS team has been known to drop series domestically since forever so its tough
Let them make top 4 at Masters and she can be #1
thiagomds [#12]deep run with this roaster?she already performed a miracle
wdym with this roster? She is in org for 2 years and she made this roster for franchising and have all responsibility for that.
babysasuke [#14]Sounds like you're underrating the players on EG a little bit
They looked cohesive, but there was some absolute heroics going on at the same time
I think the only way you can make argument for top 5 rn is because they looked more prepared than NRG and Chet, BUT Chet/FNS team has been known to drop series domestically since forever so its tough
Let them make top 4 at Masters and she can be #1
But still on paper C9, LOUD and NRG are definitely better
thiagomds [#2]one of the best for sure. EG showed the best/second best fundamentals in Americas league. She did a miracle with this roaster. Imagine what she could do in a superteam.
this roster's "deep run" should be credited to the players massively improving and demon1, then Potter
Yessirskiiii [#16]But still on paper C9, LOUD and NRG are definitely better
C9 stocks way overinflated, someone used media to fool everyone into thinking theyre better than they are. Only good players are Xeppa and leaf, and idt its enough.
LOUD and NRG are definitely better on paper. If they beat LOUD then idk, but idt itll happen.
NRG have obviously been having some kind of issues. Saw Chet crying about not being able to get scrims, but idk how true that really is. At the end of the day, there's a noticeable difference from Optic at the end of 2022 and NRG now, and I don't think its an individual player issue.
After typing out that last paragraph and reading it back......Potter might own Chet
babysasuke [#18]C9 stocks way overinflated, someone used media to fool everyone into thinking theyre better than they are. Only good players are Xeppa and leaf, and idt its enough.
LOUD and NRG are definitely better on paper. If they beat LOUD then idk, but idt itll happen.
NRG have obviously been having some kind of issues. Saw Chet crying about not being able to get scrims, but idk how true that really is. At the end of the day, there's a noticeable difference from Optic at the end of 2022 and NRG now, and I don't think its an individual player issue.
After typing out that last paragraph and reading it back......Potter might own Chet
imApet so childish for how good a coach he is
ash_knuckles [#17]this roster's "deep run" should be credited to the players massively improving and demon1, then Potter
say this to loud with two 17 yo players who keep Loud in the same level(because the structure)Brazil always had teams with insane firepower but never reach good results but Loud showed to us that fundamentals and teamplay is the only way to keep consistency if you want to be a champion.
thiagomds [#22]say this to loud with two 17 yo players who keep Loud in the same level(because the structure)Brazil always had teams with insane firepower but never reach good results but Loud showed to us that fundamentals and teamplay is the only way to keep consistency if you want to be a champion.
non-equivalent. massively different timeline of events
ash_knuckles [#17]this roster's "deep run" should be credited to the players massively improving and demon1, then Potter
wtf, you can have the best player in the world, but if the tatics are trash you just dont win. is it so hard to give credits to a women?
Foccuz [#31]wtf, you can have the best player in the world, but if the tatics are trash you just dont win. is it so hard to give credits to a women?
these "tactics" are developed by the coaching staff and players. More praise should be given to the players for near-perfect execution of these strats (+spontaneous decisions when needed) and then the coaching staff for its development.
also can we PLS stop going around calling everyone who criticizes Potter sexist that shit is so fucking cringe man
ash_knuckles [#33]these "tactics" are developed by the coaching staff and players. More praise should be given to the players for near-perfect execution of these strats (+spontaneous decisions when needed) and then the coaching staff for its development.
also can we PLS stop going around calling everyone who criticizes Potter sexist that shit is so fucking cringe man
the thing is: what else should potter do to be recognized? eg DESTROYED nrg and c9, of course you need to give credits to the players, but behind them you have the coaching staff, that must have trained a lot to get to this point. its very clear the chemistry between Potter and players or do you think that any other coach would have done what she did?
Shawn23 [#32]This has to be bait, EG's success isnt on her its on a mf named " Demon1 " shes been coaching eg for 2 years AND HAS NEVER Won, shed still be at the bottom of the league without demon1 on her team rn
but you dont win against teams like NRG with 1v5 every round, he played amazing but it is not like 100+ kills for something kind of game, everyone put up their performances and demon1 elevated it to pretty high level , he essentially multiplied it but still i would give some kind of credit to Potter as getting demon1 in a team is also her find....
Foccuz [#35]the thing is: what else should potter do to be recognized? eg DESTROYED nrg and c9, of course you need to give credits to the players, but behind them you have the coaching staff, that must have trained a lot to get to this point. its very clear the chemistry between Potter and players or do you think that any other coach would have done what she did?
she's a good coach. that's it. there are no top 5 or top 10 coaches. There's no way to rank or rate them properly. there are just good ones and bad ones. occasionally there are coaches with exceptional records leading multiple rosters(chet, mCe) and only those can be called the best. the rest are just either good or bad.
ash_knuckles [#33]these "tactics" are developed by the coaching staff and players. More praise should be given to the players for near-perfect execution of these strats (+spontaneous decisions when needed) and then the coaching staff for its development.
also can we PLS stop going around calling everyone who criticizes Potter sexist that shit is so fucking cringe man
and you know how esports community are, full of toxic mfs that cant see a women o top. not saying its your case, just making a point
Shawn23 [#32]This has to be bait, EG's success isnt on her its on a mf named " Demon1 " shes been coaching eg for 2 years AND HAS NEVER Won, shed still be at the bottom of the league without demon1 on her team rn
zzz she made boostio jawgemo and c0m into one of the best and flexible cores in NA
everyone blames initiators and smokes when yay and qw1 bot frag but don't give them credit when they make demon1 look like the goat
ash_knuckles [#37]she's a good coach. that's it. there are no top 5 or top 10 coaches. There's no way to rank or rate them properly. there are just good ones and bad ones. occasionally there are coaches with exceptional records leading multiple rosters(chet, mCe) and only those can be called the best. the rest are just either good or bad.
i understand your point, but talking about this season of americas, emea and pacific, you can rank them imo
for example:
fnatic coach: top1, didnt lose yet, make it to masters and champ
loud coach: 1 loss, make it to masters and champ
drx coach: make it to masters and champ, 2 losses
eg coach: unstable regular season, but in the most important moment, defeated top 2 and top 3
not saying that this is the right rank, just explaining my point
Dokka [#34]Potter has taken the same core that =
- used to not be able to even win fucking knights weekly or NSG tournaments consistently.
- got fucking Tossed around challengers last year
- went 1-4, got 13-0ed, and been the joke of VCT Americas
to a top-three team in Americas, qualed to both events
if thats not enough to make her an incredible coach idk what is
what about loud that within it's first months was able to go to a top 2 placement in an international tournament? what about fnatic that hasn't lost a single match in 7 months?
3cmtotal [#43]what about loud that within it's first months was able to go to a top 2 placement in an international tournament? what about fnatic that hasn't lost a single match in 7 months?
which is why bzka and mini are also top 5 coaches intw
Shes good, but keep in mind this rosters core ( potter + jawg, c0m, boostio) for the most part has existed for a long time and their only real achievement was beating prime Optic in a group stage match. adding Ethan and especially Demon1 was what made them improve at the rate at which they are now
id say MCE got it over her for now, but shes definitely increased her stock a lot. what happens at tokyo and champs is what should be used to include her in the goat talks
Yessirskiiii [#50]It's not recency bias at this point
'not recency bias' So take her 2 years history with eg where she lost to tier 900 teams. Please, are you even watching the games? Eg is basically W gaming with crazy aim, they arent doing anything fancy at all
loloscum [#51]'not recency bias' So take her 2 years history with eg where she lost to tier 900 teams. Please, are you even watching the games? Eg is basically W gaming with crazy aim, they arent doing anything fancy at all
Who cares what happened 2 years ago. Also there are better teams mechanically out there. They just do the small things to near perfection = amazing coaching
Liem [#53]cant take any of your takes serious anymore after u said qw1 top 5 player itw
I said he is in contention to be a top 5 duelist in the world. Never said he's a top 5 player or that he's 100% a top 5 duelist. Stop putting words in my mouth
Yessirskiiii [#55]I said he is in contention to be a top 5 duelist in the world. Never said he's a top 5 player or that he's 100% a top 5 duelist. Stop putting words in my mouth
qw1 is better than all of them. Saying Cryo and Foxy9 just confirms that either you don't understand Valorant or never watched qw1 play>
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Liem [#56]qw1 is better than all of them. Saying Cryo and Foxy9 just confirms that either you don't understand Valorant or never watched qw1 play>
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And? He is definitely better than Cryo and Foxy9. I dont understand what you're tryna say
Yessirskiiii [#57]And? He is definitely better than Cryo and Foxy9. I dont understand what you're tryna say
he isnt
moshimoshiman24 [#63]i think the best coach is still sean gares. The difference between last years 100t and this years is so big bc of him missing.
Potter is so clear it's not even funny
thiagomds [#2]one of the best for sure. EG showed the best/second best fundamentals in Americas league. She did a miracle with this roaster. Imagine what she could do in a superteam.
Depends. If an IGL and a coach has some disagreements, even if it's a superteam, it won't suceed.
moshimoshiman24 [#63]i think the best coach is still sean gares. The difference between last years 100t and this years is so big bc of him missing.
100t basically have no good coach rn (sorry mikeshd) lol so you could say this abotu any coach. potter brought a team that was considered irrelevant into top3 at masters
moshimoshiman24 [#63]i think the best coach is still sean gares. The difference between last years 100t and this years is so big bc of him missing.
wait this is such an insane take wtf
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