Optic run was fluke

1. FPX Visa Issues, we all saw what FPX did you Optic the following Masters in Copenhagen once they were allowed to play.

2. Inexperienced Zeta Division (Doubtful to make Tokyo after a fluke run)

3. Inexperienced Loud (First international stage for all the guys besides Sacy)

I wouldn't include Fnatic as even with Derke, the roster was awful so Optic beats Fnatic either way in 2022 but they get molly whopped by FPX which is factually evident in Copenhagen that took place a few months after and hence the 2022 Iceland run was a fluke that favoured Optic due to circumstances.

dawg shut up

Holy W

bro tryna start a war against americans 💀

W, holy shit 30 comments in less than 2 minutes, man is the master of baiting

STOP PLS STOP BEINGDEEEELUSIONAL

common shownu W

Shownu say something intelligent challenge:

ToastByToast [#8]

Shownu say something intelligent challenge:

Try to refute any of the points.

even if they didn't win champions proved it wasn't a fluke, meanwhile XSET owned shitnatic kekw, imagine having to form a superteam to even compete cause ur so bad kkkkk

ToastByToast [#8]

Shownu say something intelligent challenge:

Holy fuck he’s more obessed with yay then his fans 💀💀💀

Vlr should have a basic iq requirement to post.
You should be the first person to be banned from commenting.

hanafuuji [#4]

bro tryna start a war against americans 💀

first time i agree with an indo kekw
i would enlist to shit on this guy. what is he gonna do? throw a cup of tea and biscuit in my face? chomp me with his jagged teeth? lmao

DRX wiped the floor with FPX, i wonder who beat them in champs????

Revlo [#10]

even if they didn't win champions proved it wasn't a fluke, meanwhile XSET owned shitnatic kekw, imagine having to form a superteam to even compete cause ur so bad kkkkk

Isin't that the idea of franchising?

talking like it wasn't cauanzin and tuyz first time on the stage and nearly beating fnatic

bro has no braincells

ash_knuckles [#2]

dawg shut up

fnatic fans after they won a mickey mouse tournament:

ToastByToast [#8]

Shownu say something intelligent challenge:

First time I’m seeing him say something intelligent

least annoying FNC fan

Revlo [#10]

even if they didn't win champions proved it wasn't a fluke, meanwhile XSET owned shitnatic kekw, imagine having to form a superteam to even compete cause ur so bad kkkkk

Yes imagine improving your roster with the intention of winning 💀

Cookierookie577 [#14]

DRX wiped the floor with FPX, i wonder who beat them in champs????

DRX lost to the same Zeta Division in their first ever stage, they were known chokers for a reason

which of the 4 optic runs was a fluke please specify

Shownu [#15]

Isin't that the idea of franchising?

franchising is about money, shitnatic was lucky to get the players they did, and even then fluke-in doesn't prove anything, shitnatic will lose tokyo.

Ok what happened in champions then? Why did OpTic do so good

Altamira [#23]

which of the 4 optic runs was a fluke please specify

Iceland 2022

known as chokers but beat FPX??? 😹😹😹😹😹

pandoradox [#12]

Vlr should have a basic iq requirement to post.
You should be the first person to be banned from commenting.

vlr will be shut down then

Cookierookie577 [#27]

known as chokers but beat FPX??? 😹😹😹😹😹

Improvement is lateral or vertical?

I can't believe you can look so big after winning one single elimination only tournament. LOL.　

hanafuuji [#18]

fnatic fans after they won a mickey mouse tournament:

bro vigorously masturbates to that icebox vod every night before bed

hanafuuji [#18]

fnatic fans after they won a mickey mouse tournament:

Mickey mouse because Fnatic won, it was as important as Masters for seeding.

Laski [#30]

I can't believe you can look so big after winning one single elimination only tournament. LOL.　

Single elim is widely used in many eSports, no way we are trying to use this copium here.

Shownu [#32]

Mickey mouse because Fnatic won, it was as important as Masters for seeding.

nah bro most teams were trolling in that tourney though

mickey mouse lock in tourney LMAOO 😹😹😹

JustEnjoying [#34]

nah bro most teams were trolling in that tourney though

If that ain't copium

Cookierookie577 [#35]

mickey mouse lock in tourney LMAOO 😹😹😹

More important that Fluketic's Iceland trophy

Shownu [#36]

If that ain't copium

wdym didn't you see LOUD throw that lead? looks pretty troll to me

me when you care about some people who will never know you.

(except babysasuke the legendary baiter)

3/8 you'll anger some optic/na fans.

optic's run aside, is the tournament as important as a masters??

Man has spent the last 30 minutes posting 30 comments about yay. These br*ts might colonize another country with the amount of free time they have

Shownu [#32]

Mickey mouse because Fnatic won, it was as important as Masters for seeding.

surely we're not equating it to an actual tourney win right? I mean yeah if we're being literal it was prtty important, but in terms of prestige it is a tier below actual intl tournaments. Not even disrespecting the run obv, just calling it how it is.

he has over 5000 posts, decaying in his chair right now as we speak

iammika1999 [#5]

W, holy shit 30 comments in less than 2 minutes, man is the master of baiting

just say it , he is the masterbaiter

ash_knuckles [#42]

surely we're not equating it to an actual tourney win right? I mean yeah if we're being literal it was prtty important, but in terms of prestige it is a tier below actual intl tournaments. Not even disrespecting the run obv, just calling it how it is.

This tourney is probably far more competitive than Reykjavik 2021 and champions 2021 that’s for sure

Omg shown lost his stars 😨😱😱

Okoretro [#45]

This tourney is probably far more competitive than Reykjavik 2021 and champions 2021 that’s for sure

LOCK IN was perceived by some players as a half-joking way to quickly lose and go home to prepare for the league. It was only natural, because if they did not win the league, they would not be able to participate in Masters Tokyo or Champions.
Of course, it is better to win, but what they are really aiming for is not the champion of LOCK IN, but the champion throughout the year (Champions 2023 winner)

Okoretro [#45]

This tourney is probably far more competitive than Reykjavik 2021 and champions 2021 that’s for sure

not really lol. newly formed teams who were all prepared to treat the tourney like an exhibition match beforehand, everyone fresh off the biggest meta change the game had at the time, and no lower bracket for rematch potential so we can't properly grade teams.

Stakes were kinda high getting deep in the tournament, but that's as competitive as it gets. Teams were scrappy and unrefined, and no results from that tourney should be taken as fact. Their placements in the respective leagues kind of presents a weird correlation gotcha moment, but imo they shouldn't be correlated at all

ash_knuckles [#48]

not really lol. newly formed teams who were all prepared to treat the tourney like an exhibition match beforehand, everyone fresh off the biggest meta change the game had at the time, and no lower bracket for rematch potential so we can't properly grade teams.

Stakes were kinda high getting deep in the tournament, but that's as competitive as it gets. Teams were scrappy and unrefined, and no results from that tourney should be taken as fact. Their placements in the respective leagues kind of presents a weird correlation gotcha moment, but imo they shouldn't be correlated at all

You just described masters Reykjavik 2021 lol

Fraudnatic try not to brag about Mickey Mouse tournament (impossible)

Okoretro [#49]

You just described masters Reykjavik 2021 lol

uh....no? lol

Acting like fpx and Fnatic wouldn't have gotten rolled by loud and drx anyway 💀💀💀

SigmaMale [#52]

Acting like fpx and Fnatic wouldn't have gotten rolled by loud and drx anyway 💀💀💀

FPX was by far the best team at that moment. They proved it in Copenhagen where Loud lost to KRU LoL

Nilonesia [#39]

me when you care about some people who will never know you.

(except babysasuke the legendary baiter)

3/8 you'll anger some optic/na fans.

bro sgares stream already mentioning this lmaooo hes gotten the attention he wants

Okoretro [#45]

This tourney is probably far more competitive than Reykjavik 2021 and champions 2021 that’s for sure

3-2 champs 2021 finals, close playoff games, insane comebacks, i would say lock // in was nowhere near as competitive as that event, but i will agree reykjavik wasn't competitive because it was the start of the game's competitive lifespan. don't be delusional though, lock // in win does not mean as much, its just that fnatic are better regardless of winning that event, it didn't prove anything outside of beating loud

Optic's champions 2nd place run cannot be discredited, they showed class valorant in champs, but yes iceland was fluke. They did end top 2 teams by 2022, but even 2021 masters 2 is more creditable than 2022 optic win.

hanafuuji [#4]

bro tryna start a war against americans 💀

i would enlist actually free win plus what #13 said

shadowvlr [#55]

3-2 champs 2021 finals, close playoff games, insane comebacks, i would say lock // in was nowhere near as competitive as that event, but i will agree reykjavik wasn't competitive because it was the start of the game's competitive lifespan. don't be delusional though, lock // in win does not mean as much, its just that fnatic are better regardless of winning that event, it didn't prove anything outside of beating loud

Ok yes maybe champions was an over exaggeration but regardless both of those 2021 tournaments had single elimination brackets

Shownu [#26]

Iceland 2022

The run itself was not a fluke, but I believe if FPX was there, Optic won't win the tournament (finished 2nd at best)

"if FPX was there" hard cope, considering optic were one of the first teams to incorporate neon and they were one of the best fracture teams

ItsMeDio [#59]

The run itself was not a fluke, but I believe if FPX was there, Optic won't win the tournament (finished 2nd at best)

Hence it was a fluke win

Cookierookie577 [#60]

"if FPX was there" hard cope, considering optic were one of the first teams to incorporate neon and they were one of the best fracture teams

FPX best the same team 3-1 a month later

Shownu [#61]

Hence it was a fluke win

yeah

ItsMeDio [#63]

yeah

Thank You 🤌

Cookierookie577 [#60]

"if FPX was there" hard cope, considering optic were one of the first teams to incorporate neon and they were one of the best fracture teams

Optic literally one to one stole gambits split comp after 2 weeks 💀

PRX was also one of the best teams 3-1 month later, but the next tourney came around

There are astrisks to every championship... that conversation has been done so much in other sports... the debate is already settled. Stfu

alLAMENTal [#67]

There are astrisks to every championship... that conversation has been done so much in other sports... the debate is already settled. Stfu

This has clear evidence of a fluke win. Optic as a team are one of the best but the tournament win is a big fluke.

Cookierookie577 [#60]

"if FPX was there" hard cope, considering optic were one of the first teams to incorporate neon and they were one of the best fracture teams

Optic literally stole the neon pick from Gambit. Infact only reason why optic was successful as an Na team is because they literally stole eu strats and played like eu 😹😹

awsh [#47]

LOCK IN was perceived by some players as a half-joking way to quickly lose and go home to prepare for the league. It was only natural, because if they did not win the league, they would not be able to participate in Masters Tokyo or Champions.
Of course, it is better to win, but what they are really aiming for is not the champion of LOCK IN, but the champion throughout the year (Champions 2023 winner)

I literally had this GOAT of a take before and during LOCKIN even started but i got clowned on.

agreed

fluke but still 2nd in champs and 3rd at copenhagen

kkkkkkkk keep malding.

aylez [#72]

fluke but still 2nd in champs and 3rd at copenhagen

kkkkkkkk keep malding.

2nd in Iceland if FPX played

number1_cNed_fan [#3]

Holy W

Acend fluke wins

Saadhak was also a part of VKS with sacy btw

Shownu [#9]

Try to refute any of the points.

saadhak and sacy were both on vikings, they competed in Reykjavík and Champions 2021

W

Shownu [#37]

More important that Fluketic's Iceland trophy

Nope. Shitnatic won a tourney where teams had no vods, new meta and single elim. If anything shitnatic winning lock-in was a fluke buddy.

hanafuuji [#4]

bro tryna start a war against americans 💀

1775 - 1783 all over again

Still doesn’t mean their achievements should be discredited. There will always be a reason to why something can be considered as a fluke. I think it’s a better use of time to enjoy that it happened instead of delving into the past too much.

Okoretro [#58]

Ok yes maybe champions was an over exaggeration but regardless both of those 2021 tournaments had single elimination brackets

This dude is just spitting random shit out of his ass lol. You know you could've looked up the tournaments here on vlr.gg before typing that, in order to not appear that stupid, right?

Reykjavík 2021 was a double elim bracket, the entire tournament.
Champs 2021 was double elim group stage, and single elim bracket.

Anyone stating that a primary exhibition/introductory tournament is more important than those is unfortunately braindead (or simply doesn't understand how competitive pro esports tournaments are being approached)

Stopped reading at shonu