Objective TOP 10 players, cry about it

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Leo
Shao
Mako
Less
Derke
Aspas
Sayf
Chronicle
Marved
k1ng

Honorable mentions: kingg, qw1, crashies, stax, cloud, alfajer, sacy, suygetsu, zyppan, zekken, nAts, leaf, pancada, zmjjkk, foxy9, f0rsaken, jingg, dgzin, meteor, nukkye, khalil

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Less over pancada=L

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amyayayy

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amazing list. W

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iamtheh

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finally a good top 10 list

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valulrantefanboy [#2]

Less over pancada=L

Posttraumatic Less disorder owns Pancada.

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amyayayy

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honourable mentions should have atakaptan over qw1 or just add atakaptan

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Good list

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valulrantefanboy [#2]

Less over pancada=L

pancada is ass

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where my god king Tenz?

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Shanvel

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1leaf

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apac_enthusiast

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k1ng is underrated in all these debates. Glad he's recognized as top player worldwide for his role.

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chloeburbank [#9]

where my god king Tenz?

He surpasses the list. He is the list. The list is him but he's not the list.

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Bro is talking about marved who's played two games and crashies as an honorable mention but isn't talking about s0m who's consistently done well since Lock//IN give for one or two MAPS

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Argonaut_NA [#13]

Bro is talking about marved who's played two games and crashies as an honorable mention but isn't talking about s0m who's consistently done well since Lock//IN give for one or two MAPS

Did you forget to wake up? Crashies is arguably the most consistent player ever, dropped bombs during LOCK/IN, and is deemed the most underrated player by FNS and a few others respected names.

Marved was MVP and was amazing even afterwards. Still is now.

s0m might be honorable mention level of player but needs to show more to be really compared to them.

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Argonaut_NA [#13]

Bro is talking about marved who's played two games and crashies as an honorable mention but isn't talking about s0m who's consistently done well since Lock//IN give for one or two MAPS

i love s0m but relax buddy, marved was off for 7 months and with 2 days of practice is still playing like a top 10 player itw. respect him please

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danii1

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Finally k1Ng has been mentioned at last

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Domination

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Shit list, where is Botssi the goat 🗿

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nAts top 10 🤔

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Yash

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I think Khalil and s0m should be there too, at least in honorable mentions

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brother put foxy9 like we will not notice

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GiancioZ

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W list tbh but I prefer putting Shao 5 and then Derke, MaKo and Less

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GiancioZ [#21]

W list tbh but I prefer putting Shao 5 and then Derke, MaKo and Less

Shao should be #1 my friend

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about damn time we see k1ng in the list

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foxy9 will be on this once he proves himself at tokyo

also Leo is insanely overrated

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Faraday [#24]

foxy9 will be on this once he proves himself at tokyo

also Leo is insanely overrated

I fear you might not have borne witness to his regional performance, seeing as how many do not pay attention to EMEA playoffs, and not without good reason.

If I belonged to that class of people, I'd have agreed. I was curious when I first heard of him, thought he was overrated, and when I took a closer look at his gameplay, I was convinced that while he might not be the best player in the world -- he wasn't really inferior to anyone.

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Less went from underrated to the most overrated player Valorant has ever seen. Have people who rank him top 5 actually watched him play?

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NAclearsSA [#26]

Less went from underrated to the most overrated player Valorant has ever seen. Have people who rank him top 5 actually watched him play?

He went from underrated to fairly rated. He's still the best player on LOUD and that means something considering the presence of Aspas in the team.

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k1ng?????? 💔🐶💔

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Gutssz [#18]

nAts top 10 🤔

prime nAts-yes
current nAts-honourable mention but not top 10 anymore for sure.Hope he get back to his prime.

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marved #1

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sliceddice [#27]

He went from underrated to fairly rated. He's still the best player on LOUD and that means something considering the presence of Aspas in the team.

I've watched pretty much every LOUD game from the last 12 months and while usually it's been kinda 50-50 between them, Less has been VERY underwhelming the whole of Americas league, meanwhile Aspas is looking incredible every game

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good list

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NAclearsSA [#31]

I've watched pretty much every LOUD game from the last 12 months and while usually it's been kinda 50-50 between them, Less has been VERY underwhelming the whole of Americas league, meanwhile Aspas is looking incredible every game

Translated: I did not watch a single LOUD game from the last 12 months but I saw a thread about Aspas

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NAclearsSA [#31]

I've watched pretty much every LOUD game from the last 12 months and while usually it's been kinda 50-50 between them, Less has been VERY underwhelming the whole of Americas league, meanwhile Aspas is looking incredible every game

That's a fair point, on Aspas being dominant as of now. However, at worst, I suppose I'm more partial to non-duelists that can score such high performance. Aspas has been on the lead right now just as Less was at times in the past too. I guess it's back and forth between them. If one's underwhelming, the other is sure to step up. It's just Aspas' turn right now if you ask me.

We'll have to observe more before making a definitive statement. I still think Less is the best player on the team.

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Won’t cry over a list this awful. 💔🐶💔

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yaiima0 [#35]

Won’t cry over a list this awful. 💔🐶💔

Now say that without crying.

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DELUSIONAL_BANG_FAN

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what about bang
bang should take all 10 spots

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DELUSIONAL_BANG_FAN [#37]

what about bang
bang should take all 10 spots

Bang is big bang itself. Without bang there would be no creation of the universe. He transcends this list.

Bang revealed to me in my dream that he's okay letting kids enjoy their undeserved glory.

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Prime hiko clears the top two

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GreyDaze

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Great list although top 5 is a little interchangeable imo
Leo
Less
Derke
Mako
Shao

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GreyDaze [#40]

Great list although top 5 is a little interchangeable imo
Leo
Less
Derke
Mako
Shao

Completely agreed.

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Zorontom [#39]

Prime hiko clears the top two

Even the current Hiko clears everyone else.

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Leo
Aspas
Derke
Less
Mako
Marved
Leaf
Sayf
K1ng
Shao

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emirerays

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Sayf is not top 10 overrated player

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RedditGGGB

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Aspas clears

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emirerays

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Gutssz [#22]

Shao should be #1 my friend

Aga leo ve shaonun maçlardaki etkisini anlamıyor bu insanlar

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K1ru4

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emirerays [#44]

Sayf is not top 10 overrated player

agreed

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sliceddice

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Asuna_Yuuki [#43]

Leo
Aspas
Derke
Less
Mako
Marved
Leaf
Sayf
K1ng
Shao

How in the world is Shao, who was not only the runner-up of LOCK/IN just behind Leo, but also the MVP of Copenhagen worse than Leaf? Hell. Even Shao's regional performance are better than Leaf's own regional performance.

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RedditGGGB [#45]

Aspas clears

He'll have to show more.

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Kingg top 2 rating in champions and top 3 rating in americas league being igl and he is not at least in honorable mentions. Dissapointed but not surprised, typical Na and Emea fans ranking

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emirerays [#46]

Aga leo ve shaonun maçlardaki etkisini anlamıyor bu insanlar

doğru evet, bu arada Shao > Leo bana göre
dünyanın en iyisi Shao formdan düşene kadar Shao ✍️

#52

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Bang should be in HM at minimum

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NAclearsSA

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Multiple top 10 shouts here

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sliceddice [#36]

Now say that without crying.

k1ng got diffed by botssi 💔🐶💔 can't imagine being as stupid as u

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Yash [#19]

I think Khalil and s0m should be there too, at least in honorable mentions

Khalil is a honourable mention

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Pengu12

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I just think that Sayf is 10th otherwise this list is pretty good

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nutab1e [#54]

k1ng got diffed by botssi 💔🐶💔 can't imagine being as stupid as u

By that logic, Cryo is better than derke because he diff'd him once that time.

A measure of a player is not who he diffs and got diff'd by lol, there are ranked players who diff pro players who seldom diff pro players. It's a measure of a player over a large of sample of meaningful and significant games.

Grow some few points of IQ by reflecting on this please.

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sliceddice [#57]

By that logic, Cryo is better than derke because he diff'd him once that time.

A measure of a player is not who he diffs and got diff'd by lol, there are ranked players who diff pro players who seldom diff pro players. It's a measure of a player over a large of sample of meaningful and significant games.

Grow some few points of IQ by reflecting on this please.

bro thinks k1ng only got diffed once by t3 players 💔🐶💔

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sliceddice [#25]

I fear you might not have borne witness to his regional performance, seeing as how many do not pay attention to EMEA playoffs, and not without good reason.

If I belonged to that class of people, I'd have agreed. I was curious when I first heard of him, thought he was overrated, and when I took a closer look at his gameplay, I was convinced that while he might not be the best player in the world -- he wasn't really inferior to anyone.

i think he deserves to be on this list because his sova util is literally unmatched by anyone in the world; not even crashies can match how effectively he uses his util on sova. he is also really good on breach. his aim is amazing and he lives for so long every round. thats what makes him the best itw, not the fact that he makes insane plays all the time, or he gets a lot of entry frags. he doesnt really shine to most people because he plays as a support role.

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nutab1e [#58]

bro thinks k1ng only got diffed once by t3 players 💔🐶💔

You think yay didn't get diff'd by collegiate players?

That's a narrow minded way of looking at things. It's about the overall performance over a large sample of games

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Okoretro

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Really Korean k1ng over kingg?

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Okoretro [#61]

Really Korean k1ng over kingg?

k1NG > kiNgg

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veyyyyron

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FNC won 1/700 titles they played for and dude already says derke > aspas holy shit 😭

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sliceddice [#5]

Posttraumatic Less disorder owns Pancada.

DISORDER? BEST TEAM IN VCC? W

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W list till 7

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kskm

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nah this is biased AF. not even an honorable mention for FNS is crazy considering we know how much of a difference a good IGL can make. Fnatic/EU fan list

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sliceddice [#60]

You think yay didn't get diff'd by collegiate players?

That's a narrow minded way of looking at things. It's about the overall performance over a large sample of games

that's why yay isn't top 10 💔🐶💔

but k1ng is immune I guess 💔🐶💔

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nutab1e [#67]

that's why yay isn't top 10 💔🐶💔

but k1ng is immune I guess 💔🐶💔

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#69

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kskm [#66]

nah this is biased AF. not even an honorable mention for FNS is crazy considering we know how much of a difference a good IGL can make. Fnatic/EU fan list

This list is about top 10 best players - not top 10 most valuable players; we're talking about mechanical skills and gamesense.

HLTV top 20 list doesn't include IGLs for a reason; this is usually the conventional model of top 20 players list.

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💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔he isn't in franchising 💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔💔🐶💔

better edit the title to put TOP 10 FRANCHISED players 💔🐶💔

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better edit the title to put TOP 10 FRANCHISED players 💔🐶💔

💔🐶💔He isn't active, it's as simple as that 💔🐶💔 If he were to retire, would you still complain "better edit the title to put Top 10 still active players 💔🐶💔"?

It's not just mine, he's been tactfully left off people's lists, not because he's a bad player but just that we concentrate on tier 1 and we don't know how well yay would fare in the current meta. VALORANT is a highly dynamic game where variables shift constantly.

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💔🐶💔He isn't active, it's as simple as that 💔🐶💔 If he were to retire, would you still complain "better edit the title to put Top 10 still active players 💔🐶💔"?

It's not just mine, he's been tactfully left off people's lists, not because he's a bad player but just that we concentrate on tier 1 and we don't know how well yay would fare in the current meta. VALORANT is a highly dynamic game where variables shift constantly.

da hell is bro waffling about 💔🐶💔 he has a game next week

VALORANT is a highly dynamic game where k1ng is getting fucking DOGGED on by GLOBAL ESPORTS 😂

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da hell is bro waffling about 💔🐶💔 he has a game next week

VALORANT is a highly dynamic game where k1ng is getting fucking DOGGED on by GLOBAL ESPORTS 😂

Can you even read? I said Tier 1. And that was an analogy as to why some don't include inactive players.

He needs to be dogged on more to discount his previous performance.

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Can you even read? I said Tier 1. And that was an analogy as to why some don't include inactive players.

He needs to be dogged on more to discount his previous performance.

previous performance of getting dropped from drx and getting stomped in LCQ last year? 💔🐶💔

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Now say that without crying.

k1ng got diffed by crws 💔🐶💔 can't imagine being as stupid as u

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Now say that without crying.

k1ng got diffed by EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ON PRX

can't imagine being as stupid as you 💔🐶💔