Top 3 per role

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Marshal_D_Teach

Which players you think are the best in those roles rn?

Duelist:
Initiator (Recon):
Initiator (Flash):
Controller:
Sentinel:
Flex:
Oper:
IGL:

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Valorant

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Mine

Duelist: Aspas, Derke e Cned
Initiator (Recon): Shao, Leo e Sacy
Initiator (Flash): Stax, Zyppan e Mwzera
Controller: Mako, Pancada e Tuyz/s0m
Sentinel: Less, Suygetsu e Nats
Flex: Saadhak, Chronicle e Kingg
Oper: YaY, Cned e Aspas
IGL: Saadhak, FNS e ANGE1

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blud included sacy as we wouldnt notice ..crashies clears sacy by a mile

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https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=all&tab=performance

Most important Sacy x Crashies Duel

Duel: Sacy 13 x 9 Crashies
Clutches: Sacy 3 x 1 Crashies
Multi Kills: Sacy 17 x 15 Crashies
First Kills/Deaths: Sacy +1 (8-7) x -6 (6-12) Crashies
KD: Sacy +19 x -6 Crashies
Assists: Sacy 44 x 24 Crashies
Rating: Sacy 1.27 x 0.86 Crashies
ACS: Sacy 201 x 182 Crashies
KAST: Sacy 80% x 65%

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Cherry picking stats.

ubf champs 2022

Sacy -3 vs crashies

group stage champs 2022

Sacy -3 vs crashies

elim groups copenhagen

Sacy -9 vs crashies

both are good players. 1 game doesnt define whether a is better than b

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Marshal_D_Teach

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So you showing useless matches which didn't worth a throphy. But ok, "1 game doesnt define whether a is better than b"

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022
stats of the entire champions

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I actually think sacy is a better player.
but your argument of using 1 game to determine it was so stupid.

"So you showing useless matches which didn't worth a throphy."
I could use Reykjavík grand final. Sacy was -6 vs crashies

its just better to use broader stats to proof your point.
Using the whole champions stats is just way better to back it up. (or use more than 1 game)

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Bro comparing Masters against Champions

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both are trophy winning matches like he asked, no?

#52

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Euro doesn't worth more than a World Cup. You just focused in semantics.

continue thread →

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yes, that's why in the last series they faced each other they were + 6 for sacy..
https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=95134&tab=performance

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accurate af.

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Duelist

Derke
Aspas
Cned

Scan init:

Shao
Leo
Crashies

Flash Init:

Chronicle
Zyppan
Mwzera

Controller

Mako
Tuyz
Pancada/s0m

Sentinel:

Less
Suygetsu
nAts

Flex: im not confident on this one

rb>?
ardiis
saadhak?

Oper:

Cned
Aspas
yay

Igls:

Saadhak
Fns
Ange1

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RB actually having his best tourney ever while also on flex so I think hes a good pick for best flex

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yeah its just hard to think of the "true" flex players. though i think rb is a great example

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Yeah, but this tournament he has played every role but duelist and we know his neon is good so I think its fair that to say that hes a flex in the truest form. Hes also just better at being a flex than main duelist.

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Rb is the true definition of a flex player. I have never seen a dude who is incredibly efficient at every role

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you haven’t seen chronicle then

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In what world is Less better than Suygetsu?

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i mean they are almost equal imo.
but i think less kj > suygetsu kj.
and kj is probably the best sent right now.

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Suygetsu better at Viper and the fact that he's probably the best cypher itw with NaTs makes comp selections more flexible. But yes Less is better at KJ. Still i'd say 60-40 to Suy

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I think kj is meta in other teams but not meta for navi.
cyapher looks dominate enmy kj on navi matchups

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Less is a beast

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Ofc Less is amazing. He's the 2nd best sentinel in the world atm

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Duelist: Derke
Initiator(Recon): Shao
Initiator(Flash): Rb?
Controller: MaKo
Sentinel: Less
Flex: Chronicle
Oper: cNed
IGL: stax

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Currently most "flex" players are just the flash initiators so it kinda overlaps

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Nah Saadhak plays KJ and Raze aswell
Chronicle plays Raze and Sage, etc...

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i know thats why i said most

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Duelist:
Derke
Aspas
Cned
Honorable mention: Buzz

Initiator (Recon):

Shao
Leo
Crashies

Initiator (Flash):

Zyppan
Cauanzin
Chronicle

Controller:

Mako
Bang
Tuyz

Sentinel:

Less
Suygetsu
Shyyy

Flex:

Rb
Victor
idk who else is a true flex

Oper:

Cned
Yay
Cryo

IGL:

Saadhak
Fns
Ange1
Honorable mention: Boaster

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No order, and I don't see the point on dividing flex with initiator flash, so I'll change that for duelist

Initiator: Shao, Leo ,crashies
Controller: Mako, Marved, Pancada
Sentinel: Less, nats , suygetsu
Flex: Zyppan, King, Chronicle
Duelist: derke, aspas, buzz
Oper: cNed, Zmjkk, yay
IGL: FNS, Ange1, Saadhack

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Marshal_D_Teach

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recon and flash initiators do different roles, so there is a point dividing them

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Mortadelo

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But then take out flex, because what agents are initiator flash Kayo Breach? Skye is both? What do flexes play? Kayo, breach and maybe 1/2 agents more? They share too much to be able to be divided into 2 categories when it's the same agents imo

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Duelist yay?

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Actually meant to swap buzz and yay mb

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im not sure if yay is a top duelist player anymore.
his best performance was when he was not on the role, where he was not the first entry.
hes still a top player, a top oper , a top aimer.
but i think the ability to entry on a duelist is the most important, the ability to create space and opportunities . and i think there are a players that are better than him at that

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Yeah mb, I meant to switch him and Buzz who I think is way better entry

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Duelist: Derke, cNed, BuZz
Recon: Shao, Leo, Crashies
Flash: Zyppan, Chronicle, cauanzin
Controller: MaKo, s0m, ANGE1 unironically? He’s looking good wtf
Sentinel: SUYGETSU, Less, nAts
Flex: Rb, crashies if he counts cuz he’s been flexing, Shao
Awper: cNed, Derke, yay
IGL: FNS, saadhak, stax

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No aspas is crazy for top duelist
IMO shyyy > Nats atm
Victor is still a top flex
No ange1 in igls in crazy

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gamr

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Ange1 didn’t show any crazy igling, Navi just kinda steamrolled everyone and didn’t need to bring out the super strong calls that FNS or stax needed to. Aspas is top 5 at best. Victor is a top flex but he didn’t show it here. I still have faith in him.

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thats why ange1 isnt in the igl category, hes in the controller category. and honestly im surprised on just how well hes been performing, abdsoltely popping off for a boomer

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but angel having good stats doesnt mean he is being a good controller. angel is just outfragging outplaying everyone . but what people like mako and pancada do in a clutch or inside their smokes, when they hold sites , their util, thats what makes them so good

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by that logic saadhak shouldnt be on the list for igl since his only benefit compared to fns/boaster/ange1/others is that he can frag

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no you doughnut. saadhak has good mid rounding, has proven with results that he is good, this all combined while constantly fragging, its different. this is what makes him different. he is good at igl + he frags. angel is good at igl + he is fragging in lock in =/= him being a good smart controller

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saadhak not even top 5 igl, its clear with louds lack of teamplay

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duelist: 1)derke 2)aspas 3)cned (cned hasnt proved he is a top " duelist " yet though)
recon: 1)shao 2)leo 3 crashies(a tier below other two currently)
flash: 1)king 2)chronicle 3)stax 3) mwzera 3)zyppan( but he has only played kayo which is much easier to play than breach support)
controller: 1)mako(my goat), 2)nivera(people need to realise what he did this tournament is not normal), generally speaking 3 pancada deserves to be there, and som when he eventually continues his good performance(which i believe he will)
sentinel: 1) nats
a tier below
2)suygetsu 3)rest dont even come close
flex: 1)king 2)chronicle 3) molsi(people wouldnt know him, but he has performed so well in emea as well) , *nukkye will be #1 if he plays raze for giants
oper: 1)cned( he is currently miles ahead of everyone, considering #2 here didnt go as deep in the tournament), 2)yay, 3) nivera (doing it consistently on a smoker is godlike)
igl: 1)saadhak, 2)angel , 3)fns (fns would be first if he was in top 4) , boaster needs to win this event and he'll be top 2

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Duelist: Derke, Aspas, Buzz
Initiator (Recon): Zest, Shao, Leo
Initiator (Flash): Stax, Zyppan, Cauanzin
Controller: Mako, Tuyz, Boaster
Sentinel:Nats, Suygetsu, Less
Flex: Zyppan, Chronicle, Rb
Oper: Cned, Aspas, Yay
IGL: Angel, Saadhak, Fns

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Duelista:
aspas
derke
buzz
Iniciador (Recon):
sacy
shao
leo
Iniciador (Flash):
cauanzin
zyppan
stax
Controlador:^
Mako
Tuyz
pAncada
Sentinela:
Less
SuyGetsu
nats
Flex:
saadhak
chronicle
rb
Oper:
aspas/saadhak (quando saadhak joga de duelista ele abre muito bem)
yay
derke
IGL:
Saadhak
FNS
ange1

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i will not make a "serious" list like you said, for example considering the lock//in, but i want to give some considerations about what i thought and i want to know if someone think it as well.

i am amazed by how these players play their roles:
initiator: crashies (in general), saadhak (IGL, game sense and flashbang master)
controller: mako, sugarz3ro (never have seen such intelligent players, always with smart moves and ways to get out of a tough situation)
sentinel: nAts (one of the smartest players)
duelist: mwzera's raze and his unique movements abusing of AD

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Duelist: Yay Cryo N4rrate Leaf
Initiator (Recon): Eeiu Trent Sacy Zest
Initiator (Flash): Nismo Stax
Controller: Mako Marved Zander Pancada
Sentinel: Nats Suygetsu Alfajer Less
Flex: Xeppa best Raze NA no cap, Shao
Oper: Cned Yay Aspas Cryo
IGL: Anyone whos smart, mature, and have a good game sense at a pro level can fucking IGL

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Duelist: swerl, derke, buzz
Initiator (Recon): trent, shao, leo
Initiator (Flash): xeppaa, stax, cauanzin
Controller: mako, pancada, marved
Sentinel: suygetsu, less, nats
Flex: RB MY KING (on a good day), chronicle, kingg
Oper: yay, aspas, cned
IGL: pujanny methamphetamines, stax, ange1 (only when he plays jett tho)

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where is Ayaz "No Assistance Today Sorry" Akhmetshin

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Duelist: Jinggg, aspas, kiNgg (i miss kiNgg duelist 😔)
Initiator (Recon): crashies, Sacy, Leo
Initiator (Flash): kiNgg (now) Stax, Zyppan
Controller: pAncada, MaKo, Marved
Sentinel: nAts, suygetsu, Less
Flex: Zyppan, Chronicle, Rb
Oper: yay, Cryo, Derke
IGL: FNS, Saadhak, stax

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Shao > crashies except for that its reasonable

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Duelist: Aspas, BuZz and Derke

Initiator (Recon): Sacy, Crashies and Shao

Initiator (Flash): Cauanzin, stax, Zyppan

Controller: MaKo, pANcada, Nivera

Sentinel: Less, Alfajer, SUYGETSU

Flex: Saadhak, Rb, Chronicle

Oper: dgzin, Derke, cNed

IGL: Saadhak, ANGE1 and FNS

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Duelist:skrossi
Initiator (Recon):skrossi
Initiator (Flash):skrossi
Controller:skrossi
Sentinel:skrossi
Flex:skrossi
Oper:skrossi
IGL:skrossi

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lemme see... the 3s are is no particular order

Duelist: Derke, cNed, Buzz

Initiator (Recon): Crashies, Leo, Shao

Initiator (Flash): Victor, Chronicle, Stax

Controller: Mako, Tuyz, S0m

Sentinel: Suygetsu, Less, Nats

Flex: Rb, Xeppa, King

Oper: cNed, Ardiis, Derke

IGL: Ange1, Boaster, FNS

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Duelist: Derke, Cned, Aspas or Buzz

Initiator (Recon): Shao, Leo, Crashies, maybe Trexx but his team didnt give him much time to prove it

Initiator (Flash): Zyppan, Cauanzin, Stax

Controller: MaKo, Ange1, Tuyz, Nivera probably should be here but again his team didnt let him prove it

Sentinel: Less, Shyy, Alfajer, Nats, Suygetsu, all on the same level to me

Flex: Chronicle, Rb, KiNgg

Oper: Derke, Cned, Cryo, maybe nivera on smokes, and Zmjjkk

IGL: Ange1, FNS, Stax

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i aint seen tonz in anyones list,FeelsGoodMan

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Duelist: Derke, BuZz, cNed
Initiator (Recon): Leo, Crashies, Trexx
Initiator (Flash): , Cauanzin, Zyppan
Controller: MaKo, Nivera, CHICHOO
Sentinel: Sheydos, SUYGETSU, nAts
Flex: Chronicle, Shao, Rb
Oper: Yay, Derke, Zmjjkk
IGL: kiNgg,ANGE1,Stax

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Duelist: Derke
Initiator (Recon): Shao
Initiator (Flash): chronicle
Controller: mako
Sentinel: nats
Flex: rb
Oper: aspas
IGL: ange1

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duelist: derke cned aspas
initiator (recon): shao leo cloud
initiator (flash): chronicle cauanzin stax
controller: mako chichoo ange1
sentinel: nats suygetsu less
flex: zyppan kingg (lev) rb
oper: cned derke ardiis
igl: saadhak ange1 stax

honorable mentions: yay, kangkang, trexx, crashies, buzz, boaster, pancada, tuyz, king (geng)

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Sentinel TenZ clears every other player in every roll, unfortunately. GG gamers go next.