Which players you think are the best in those roles rn?
Duelist:
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capital_d_colon [#3]Duelist
- Derke
- Aspas
- Cned
Scan init:
- Shao
- Leo
- Crashies
Flash Init:
- Chronicle
- Zyppan
- Mwzera
Controller
- Mako
- Tuyz
- Pancada/s0m
Sentinel:
- Less
- Suygetsu
- nAts
Flex: im not confident on this one
- rb>?
- ardiis
- saadhak?
Oper:
- Cned
- Aspas
- yay
Igls:
- Saadhak
- Fns
- Ange1
RB actually having his best tourney ever while also on flex so I think hes a good pick for best flex
Duelist:
Derke
Aspas
Cned
Honorable mention: Buzz
Initiator (Recon):
Shao
Leo
Crashies
Initiator (Flash):
Zyppan
Cauanzin
Chronicle
Controller:
Mako
Bang
Tuyz
Sentinel:
Less
Suygetsu
Shyyy
Flex:
Rb
Victor
idk who else is a true flex
Oper:
Cned
Yay
Cryo
IGL:
Saadhak
Fns
Ange1
Honorable mention: Boaster
jackb2016 [#5]Currently most "flex" players are just the flash initiators so it kinda overlaps
Nah Saadhak plays KJ and Raze aswell
Chronicle plays Raze and Sage, etc...
No order, and I don't see the point on dividing flex with initiator flash, so I'll change that for duelist
Initiator: Shao, Leo ,crashies
Controller: Mako, Marved, Pancada
Sentinel: Less, nats , suygetsu
Flex: Zyppan, King, Chronicle
Duelist: derke, aspas, buzz
Oper: cNed, Zmjkk, yay
IGL: FNS, Ange1, Saadhack
capital_d_colon [#3]Duelist
- Derke
- Aspas
- Cned
Scan init:
- Shao
- Leo
- Crashies
Flash Init:
- Chronicle
- Zyppan
- Mwzera
Controller
- Mako
- Tuyz
- Pancada/s0m
Sentinel:
- Less
- Suygetsu
- nAts
Flex: im not confident on this one
- rb>?
- ardiis
- saadhak?
Oper:
- Cned
- Aspas
- yay
Igls:
- Saadhak
- Fns
- Ange1
In what world is Less better than Suygetsu?
Strafe7 [#6]RB actually having his best tourney ever while also on flex so I think hes a good pick for best flex
yeah its just hard to think of the "true" flex players. though i think rb is a great example
Marshal_D_Teach [#8]Nah Saadhak plays KJ and Raze aswell
Chronicle plays Raze and Sage, etc...
i know thats why i said most
capital_d_colon [#11]yeah its just hard to think of the "true" flex players. though i think rb is a great example
Yeah, but this tournament he has played every role but duelist and we know his neon is good so I think its fair that to say that hes a flex in the truest form. Hes also just better at being a flex than main duelist.
Mortadelo [#9]No order, and I don't see the point on dividing flex with initiator flash, so I'll change that for duelist
Initiator: Shao, Leo ,crashies
Controller: Mako, Marved, Pancada
Sentinel: Less, nats , suygetsu
Flex: Zyppan, King, Chronicle
Duelist: derke, aspas, buzz
Oper: cNed, Zmjkk, yay
IGL: FNS, Ange1, Saadhack
recon and flash initiators do different roles, so there is a point dividing them
Yessirskiiii [#10]In what world is Less better than Suygetsu?
i mean they are almost equal imo.
but i think less kj > suygetsu kj.
and kj is probably the best sent right now.
duelist: 1)derke 2)aspas 3)cned (cned hasnt proved he is a top " duelist " yet though)
recon: 1)shao 2)leo 3 crashies(a tier below other two currently)
flash: 1)king 2)chronicle 3)stax 3) mwzera 3)zyppan( but he has only played kayo which is much easier to play than breach support)
controller: 1)mako(my goat), 2)nivera(people need to realise what he did this tournament is not normal), generally speaking 3 pancada deserves to be there, and som when he eventually continues his good performance(which i believe he will)
sentinel: 1) nats
a tier below
2)suygetsu 3)rest dont even come close
flex: 1)king 2)chronicle 3) molsi(people wouldnt know him, but he has performed so well in emea as well) , *nukkye will be #1 if he plays raze for giants
oper: 1)cned( he is currently miles ahead of everyone, considering #2 here didnt go as deep in the tournament), 2)yay, 3) nivera (doing it consistently on a smoker is godlike)
igl: 1)saadhak, 2)angel , 3)fns (fns would be first if he was in top 4) , boaster needs to win this event and he'll be top 2
gamr [#14]Duelist: Derke, cNed, BuZz
Recon: Shao, Leo, Crashies
Flash: Zyppan, Chronicle, cauanzin
Controller: MaKo, s0m, ANGE1 unironically? He’s looking good wtf
Sentinel: SUYGETSU, Less, nAts
Flex: Rb, crashies if he counts cuz he’s been flexing, Shao
Awper: cNed, Derke, yay
IGL: FNS, saadhak, stax
No aspas is crazy for top duelist
IMO shyyy > Nats atm
Victor is still a top flex
No ange1 in igls in crazy
Mortadelo [#9]No order, and I don't see the point on dividing flex with initiator flash, so I'll change that for duelist
Initiator: Shao, Leo ,crashies
Controller: Mako, Marved, Pancada
Sentinel: Less, nats , suygetsu
Flex: Zyppan, King, Chronicle
Duelist: derke, aspas, buzz
Oper: cNed, Zmjkk, yay
IGL: FNS, Ange1, Saadhack
Duelist yay?
Average_VLR_User [#2]Valorant
Mine
Duelist: Aspas, Derke e Cned
Initiator (Recon): Shao, Leo e Sacy
Initiator (Flash): Stax, Zyppan e Mwzera
Controller: Mako, Pancada e Tuyz/s0m
Sentinel: Less, Suygetsu e Nats
Flex: Saadhak, Chronicle e Kingg
Oper: YaY, Cned e Aspas
IGL: Saadhak, FNS e ANGE1
gamr [#14]Duelist: Derke, cNed, BuZz
Recon: Shao, Leo, Crashies
Flash: Zyppan, Chronicle, cauanzin
Controller: MaKo, s0m, ANGE1 unironically? He’s looking good wtf
Sentinel: SUYGETSU, Less, nAts
Flex: Rb, crashies if he counts cuz he’s been flexing, Shao
Awper: cNed, Derke, yay
IGL: FNS, saadhak, stax
but angel having good stats doesnt mean he is being a good controller. angel is just outfragging outplaying everyone . but what people like mako and pancada do in a clutch or inside their smokes, when they hold sites , their util, thats what makes them so good
capital_d_colon [#16]i mean they are almost equal imo.
but i think less kj > suygetsu kj.
and kj is probably the best sent right now.
Suygetsu better at Viper and the fact that he's probably the best cypher itw with NaTs makes comp selections more flexible. But yes Less is better at KJ. Still i'd say 60-40 to Suy
Marshal_D_Teach [#15]recon and flash initiators do different roles, so there is a point dividing them
But then take out flex, because what agents are initiator flash Kayo Breach? Skye is both? What do flexes play? Kayo, breach and maybe 1/2 agents more? They share too much to be able to be divided into 2 categories when it's the same agents imo
Marshal_D_Teach [#20]Mine
Duelist: Aspas, Derke e Cned
Initiator (Recon): Shao, Leo e Sacy
Initiator (Flash): Stax, Zyppan e Mwzera
Controller: Mako, Pancada e Tuyz/s0m
Sentinel: Less, Suygetsu e Nats
Flex: Saadhak, Chronicle e Kingg
Oper: YaY, Cned e Aspas
IGL: Saadhak, FNS e ANGE1
blud included sacy as we wouldnt notice ..crashies clears sacy by a mile
Mortadelo [#9]No order, and I don't see the point on dividing flex with initiator flash, so I'll change that for duelist
Initiator: Shao, Leo ,crashies
Controller: Mako, Marved, Pancada
Sentinel: Less, nats , suygetsu
Flex: Zyppan, King, Chronicle
Duelist: derke, aspas, buzz
Oper: cNed, Zmjkk, yay
IGL: FNS, Ange1, Saadhack
im not sure if yay is a top duelist player anymore.
his best performance was when he was not on the role, where he was not the first entry.
hes still a top player, a top oper , a top aimer.
but i think the ability to entry on a duelist is the most important, the ability to create space and opportunities . and i think there are a players that are better than him at that
capital_d_colon [#27]im not sure if yay is a top duelist player anymore.
his best performance was when he was not on the role, where he was not the first entry.
hes still a top player, a top oper , a top aimer.
but i think the ability to entry on a duelist is the most important, the ability to create space and opportunities . and i think there are a players that are better than him at that
Yeah mb, I meant to switch him and Buzz who I think is way better entry
YvngKurry [#18]No aspas is crazy for top duelist
IMO shyyy > Nats atm
Victor is still a top flex
No ange1 in igls in crazy
Ange1 didn’t show any crazy igling, Navi just kinda steamrolled everyone and didn’t need to bring out the super strong calls that FNS or stax needed to. Aspas is top 5 at best. Victor is a top flex but he didn’t show it here. I still have faith in him.
capital_d_colon [#16]i mean they are almost equal imo.
but i think less kj > suygetsu kj.
and kj is probably the best sent right now.
I think kj is meta in other teams but not meta for navi.
cyapher looks dominate enmy kj on navi matchups
Safi [#26]blud included sacy as we wouldnt notice ..crashies clears sacy by a mile
https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=all&tab=performance
Most important Sacy x Crashies Duel
Duel: Sacy 13 x 9 Crashies
Clutches: Sacy 3 x 1 Crashies
Multi Kills: Sacy 17 x 15 Crashies
First Kills/Deaths: Sacy +1 (8-7) x -6 (6-12) Crashies
KD: Sacy +19 x -6 Crashies
Assists: Sacy 44 x 24 Crashies
Rating: Sacy 1.27 x 0.86 Crashies
ACS: Sacy 201 x 182 Crashies
KAST: Sacy 80% x 65%
Marshal_D_Teach [#32]https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=all&tab=performance
Most important Sacy x Crashies Duel
Duel: Sacy 13 x 9 Crashies
Clutches: Sacy 3 x 1 Crashies
Multi Kills: Sacy 17 x 15 Crashies
First Kills/Deaths: Sacy +1 (8-7) x -6 (6-12) Crashies
KD: Sacy +19 x -6 Crashies
Assists: Sacy 44 x 24 Crashies
Rating: Sacy 1.27 x 0.86 Crashies
ACS: Sacy 201 x 182 Crashies
KAST: Sacy 80% x 65%
Cherry picking stats.
- Sacy -3 vs crashies
- Sacy -3 vs crashies
- Sacy -9 vs crashies
both are good players. 1 game doesnt define whether a is better than b
symbols07 [#22]but angel having good stats doesnt mean he is being a good controller. angel is just outfragging outplaying everyone . but what people like mako and pancada do in a clutch or inside their smokes, when they hold sites , their util, thats what makes them so good
by that logic saadhak shouldnt be on the list for igl since his only benefit compared to fns/boaster/ange1/others is that he can frag
greedeetv [#35]by that logic saadhak shouldnt be on the list for igl since his only benefit compared to fns/boaster/ange1/others is that he can frag
no you doughnut. saadhak has good mid rounding, has proven with results that he is good, this all combined while constantly fragging, its different. this is what makes him different. he is good at igl + he frags. angel is good at igl + he is fragging in lock in =/= him being a good smart controller
capital_d_colon [#11]yeah its just hard to think of the "true" flex players. though i think rb is a great example
Rb is the true definition of a flex player. I have never seen a dude who is incredibly efficient at every role
gamr [#30]Ange1 didn’t show any crazy igling, Navi just kinda steamrolled everyone and didn’t need to bring out the super strong calls that FNS or stax needed to. Aspas is top 5 at best. Victor is a top flex but he didn’t show it here. I still have faith in him.
thats why ange1 isnt in the igl category, hes in the controller category. and honestly im surprised on just how well hes been performing, abdsoltely popping off for a boomer
i will not make a "serious" list like you said, for example considering the lock//in, but i want to give some considerations about what i thought and i want to know if someone think it as well.
i am amazed by how these players play their roles:
initiator: crashies (in general), saadhak (IGL, game sense and flashbang master)
controller: mako, sugarz3ro (never have seen such intelligent players, always with smart moves and ways to get out of a tough situation)
sentinel: nAts (one of the smartest players)
duelist: mwzera's raze and his unique movements abusing of AD
Duelist: Yay Cryo N4rrate Leaf
Initiator (Recon): Eeiu Trent Sacy Zest
Initiator (Flash): Nismo Stax
Controller: Mako Marved Zander Pancada
Sentinel: Nats Suygetsu Alfajer Less
Flex: Xeppa best Raze NA no cap, Shao
Oper: Cned Yay Aspas Cryo
IGL: Anyone whos smart, mature, and have a good game sense at a pro level can fucking IGL
Duelist: swerl, derke, buzz
Initiator (Recon): trent, shao, leo
Initiator (Flash): xeppaa, stax, cauanzin
Controller: mako, pancada, marved
Sentinel: suygetsu, less, nats
Flex: RB MY KING (on a good day), chronicle, kingg
Oper: yay, aspas, cned
IGL: pujanny methamphetamines, stax, ange1 (only when he plays jett tho)
capital_d_colon [#34]Cherry picking stats.
- Sacy -3 vs crashies
- Sacy -3 vs crashies
- Sacy -9 vs crashies
both are good players. 1 game doesnt define whether a is better than b
So you showing useless matches which didn't worth a throphy. But ok, "1 game doesnt define whether a is better than b"
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022
stats of the entire champions
Luck_ [#44]Duelist: Jinggg, aspas, kiNgg (i miss kiNgg duelist 😔)
Initiator (Recon): crashies, Sacy, Leo
Initiator (Flash): kiNgg (now) Stax, Zyppan
Controller: pAncada, MaKo, Marved
Sentinel: nAts, suygetsu, Less
Flex: Zyppan, Chronicle, Rb
Oper: yay, Cryo, Derke
IGL: FNS, Saadhak, stax
Shao > crashies except for that its reasonable
Marshal_D_Teach [#20]Mine
Duelist: Aspas, Derke e Cned
Initiator (Recon): Shao, Leo e Sacy
Initiator (Flash): Stax, Zyppan e Mwzera
Controller: Mako, Pancada e Tuyz/s0m
Sentinel: Less, Suygetsu e Nats
Flex: Saadhak, Chronicle e Kingg
Oper: YaY, Cned e Aspas
IGL: Saadhak, FNS e ANGE1
accurate af.
Marshal_D_Teach [#45]So you showing useless matches which didn't worth a throphy. But ok, "1 game doesnt define whether a is better than b"
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022
stats of the entire champions
I actually think sacy is a better player.
but your argument of using 1 game to determine it was so stupid.
"So you showing useless matches which didn't worth a throphy."
I could use Reykjavík grand final. Sacy was -6 vs crashies
its just better to use broader stats to proof your point.
Using the whole champions stats is just way better to back it up. (or use more than 1 game)
capital_d_colon [#49]I actually think sacy is a better player.
but your argument of using 1 game to determine it was so stupid."So you showing useless matches which didn't worth a throphy."
I could use Reykjavík grand final. Sacy was -6 vs crashiesits just better to use broader stats to proof your point.
Using the whole champions stats is just way better to back it up. (or use more than 1 game)
Bro comparing Masters against Champions
NightBeam [#50]Bro comparing Masters against Champions
both are trophy winning matches like he asked, no?
capital_d_colon [#51]both are trophy winning matches like he asked, no?
Euro doesn't worth more than a World Cup. You just focused in semantics.
NightBeam [#52]Euro doesn't worth more than a World Cup. You just focused in semantics.
Its still a good trophy. Maybe not as valuable but its still a good achievement.
As a Portuguese person you should know how much people care about the euros...
NightBeam [#52]Euro doesn't worth more than a World Cup. You just focused in semantics.
That's why Messi > CR7
capital_d_colon [#54]Its still a good trophy. Maybe not as valuable but its still a good achievement.
As a Portuguese person you should know how much people care about the euros...
I know, but I'm also frustrated about 2006. We were robbed by France
Duelist: Derke, Cned, Aspas or Buzz
Initiator (Recon): Shao, Leo, Crashies, maybe Trexx but his team didnt give him much time to prove it
Initiator (Flash): Zyppan, Cauanzin, Stax
Controller: MaKo, Ange1, Tuyz, Nivera probably should be here but again his team didnt let him prove it
Sentinel: Less, Shyy, Alfajer, Nats, Suygetsu, all on the same level to me
Flex: Chronicle, Rb, KiNgg
Oper: Derke, Cned, Cryo, maybe nivera on smokes, and Zmjjkk
IGL: Ange1, FNS, Stax
symbols07 [#36]no you doughnut. saadhak has good mid rounding, has proven with results that he is good, this all combined while constantly fragging, its different. this is what makes him different. he is good at igl + he frags. angel is good at igl + he is fragging in lock in =/= him being a good smart controller
saadhak not even top 5 igl, its clear with louds lack of teamplay
bakabakaisthebaka [#38]Rb is the true definition of a flex player. I have never seen a dude who is incredibly efficient at every role
you haven’t seen chronicle then
duelist: derke cned aspas
initiator (recon): shao leo cloud
initiator (flash): chronicle cauanzin stax
controller: mako chichoo ange1
sentinel: nats suygetsu less
flex: zyppan kingg (lev) rb
oper: cned derke ardiis
igl: saadhak ange1 stax
honorable mentions: yay, kangkang, trexx, crashies, buzz, boaster, pancada, tuyz, king (geng)
Safi [#26]blud included sacy as we wouldnt notice ..crashies clears sacy by a mile
yes, that's why in the last series they faced each other they were + 6 for sacy..
https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=95134&tab=performance
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