who can realistically challenge Fnatic next year

the 2023 roster (assuming Chronicle gets in) looks absolutely untouchable. Every player other than Boaster is top 3 firepower in their role minimum and they have historically good support staff.

From the Americas region, I would say LOUD or Optic are close but they no longer exist and don't have any proven replacement. SEN seems to be the second best, or C9 if they pick up a few more players aside from Yay but I think Dephh is half the igl that FNS was and also that none of C9 match Fnatic outside Yay and Leaf.

In APAC, PRX and DRX are the only real competition currently.

In EMEA, I don't think there's a single team that is able to beat Fnatic.

If thats the only competition, I might have to step in.

C9, NRG, SEN, 100T

TL,Navi exist.

you forget about RRQ and EG

SEN, SEN, and SEN

Dont get me wrong theyre good but i think your way over estimating them.

Navi

i swear this thread gets posted everytime a fnatic roster change happens and it never ages well

Zenithh [#9]

i swear this thread gets posted everytime a fnatic roster change happens and it never ages well

I will post this thread everytime a fnatic roster change happens until it ages well

well given their trend it's looking like they will be very beatable until either boaster or mini (or both) get axed
maybe this will be the roster to prove otherwise

Y'all fnatic fans always be on copium talking how fnatic is the best team in the world but in reality they couldn't do shit

waiting for fnatic to go out somewhere between 6th and 4th. Istg there cursed to flop every lan
Fr though, prx and drx are definitely contenders. I have a feeling either Gen.G, or Detonation are going to make a world class korean/japanese superteam and with the talent depth of both of those regions they could absolutely be an international contender

Germanium [#12]

Y'all fnatic fans always be on copium talking how fnatic is the best team in the world but in reality they couldn't do shit

2nd
4th
5th-6th
+multiple domestic tourney wins

your so right bro

KOI, KC, NAVI, VIT, TL, TH, BBL, GIA, FUT
C9, NRG, LEV, FUR, MIBR, SEN, KRU, LOUD, 100T, EG
GENG, DNG, TLN, GE, TS, ZETA, T1, DRX, PRX

damn fnatic fans really have faith in their team

TL, NAVI, LOUD, NRG

Fluke team wont do shit, will get clapped domestically

Overestimating them way too early, they look solid tho

Sushi_ [#14]

2nd
4th
5th-6th
+multiple domestic tourney wins

your so right bro

Not exactly the best team in the world tho, right?

Germanium [#20]

Not exactly the best team in the world tho, right?

but in reality they couldn't do shit

ilovefrozenblueberries [#2]

If thats the only competition, I might have to step in.

me too

EMEA: Navi ,TL
Americas: LOUD, C9, 100T, SEN (possibly)
Pacific: PRX, DRX
so more teams than you guys might expect

lev,drx,c9(if they dont choke), nrg, NAVI,TL
able to win 1 map or put up a fight: zeta,t1,Loud,100T,sen,KOi,VIT

Sushi_ [#14]

2nd
4th
5th-6th
+multiple domestic tourney wins

your so right bro

Dude they literally won 1 domestic tourney and that was before Copenhagen this year. Somehow they are always cursed to come 2nd.

Here we come with the Fnatic fans overhyping their team to the moon only for them to disappoint once again

.

GE, RRQ

Sprouts [#15]

KOI, KC, NAVI, VIT, TL, TH, BBL, GIA, FUT
C9, NRG, LEV, FUR, MIBR, SEN, KRU, LOUD, 100T, EG
GENG, DNG, TLN, GE, TS, ZETA, T1, DRX, PRX

can only beat argh argh queue 💀

GE

Sushi_ [#13]

waiting for fnatic to go out somewhere between 6th and 4th. Istg there cursed to flop every lan
Fr though, prx and drx are definitely contenders. I have a feeling either Gen.G, or Detonation are going to make a world class korean/japanese superteam and with the talent depth of both of those regions they could absolutely be an international contender

Prx got grouped lmao, they're finished, fpx exposed them

NASR Esports ^_^

TheNerfBoy [#22]

me too

me three

Lenny Time might take them to OT and defeat

i am a big FNC fan but i definitely wouldn't say that nobody can beat them
last year they looked insane online and then kinda disappointed on lan

lolbad [#33]

me three

me four

ragegrexo [#35]

i am a big FNC fan but i definitely wouldn't say that nobody can beat them
last year they looked insane online and then kinda disappointed on lan

This

RRQ KEKW

hanafuji [#36]

me four

me five
roster done

koromast [#24]

lev,drx,c9(if they dont choke), nrg, NAVI,TL
able to win 1 map or put up a fight: zeta,t1,Loud,100T,sen,KOi,VIT

prx?

Vianx11 [#39]

me five
roster done

And I'm CEO....Tfys

Skrossi clears

Vampli [#41]

And I'm CEO....Tfys

I have your clips (kappa moment)

Valgod [#31]

Prx got grouped lmao, they're finished, fpx exposed them

loud comes second in iceland
get grouped in copen
wins istanbul

prx comes second
gets grouped
its prx time baby

FNC fans literally every single time they make a roster change:
"We are the best team in the world."
loses
next roster change
"We are the best team in the world."
loses
next roster change
"We are the best team in the world."
loses
next roster change
"We are the best team in the world."
lo

FUT, EG, MIBR, FURIA, BBL, RRQ Ezzzzzzzz

Vianx11 [#44]

loud comes second in iceland
get grouped in copen
wins istanbul

prx comes second
gets grouped
its prx time baby

Fnatic comes second in Iceland
Don't qualify to masters Berlin
Barely reach top 6 at champs
Its Prx time to repeat them

RRQ Clears

GreyDaze [#4]

TL,Navi exist.

tl has a weak link in soulcas, and navi will be a true competitor, for me they have honestly upgraded with cned

Germanium [#20]

Not exactly the best team in the world tho, right?

not every team is the best in the world forever. fnc's record is better than a sentinels one who realistically only performed well in one tournament

annoybrocc02 [#23]

EMEA: Navi ,TL
Americas: LOUD, C9, 100T, SEN (possibly)
Pacific: PRX, DRX
so more teams than you guys might expect

c9 probably, 100t no, sen is more likely then any other america team you mentioned. pacific is good, but prx needs to highly evolve they cant expect to do the same aggressive only gameplay like they did in 2022. it got countered in 6 months, enough so that they got grouped

symbols07 [#49]

tl has a weak link in soulcas, and navi will be a true competitor, for me they have honestly upgraded with cned

cant wait for soulcas to surprise you , fnatic wont win anything . Boaster fire power is laughable compared to redgar's so in terms of fire power liquid is better + redgar calls are top tier

Every season we have this discussion and they always bottle lmao

Leviatan clears easily

Valgod [#47]

Fnatic comes second in Iceland
Don't qualify to masters Berlin
Barely reach top 6 at champs
Its Prx time to repeat them

Wll....you made a really wrong comparison. right comparison for you
Fnatic come 2nd, DID NOT QUALIFY to Berlin
PRX come 2nd, QUALIFY TO Champs

Tried to make a equivalent comparison
ENVY/OPTIC (2nd Master Berlin - GET GROUPED in Champs 2021 - Won Reykjavík 2022)
LOUD (2nd Reykjavík - GET GROUPED in Copenhagen - Won the Champs 2022)

we are tired

Derke is not top 3 chamber

TheNerfBoy [#22]

me too

meepooh

gonfreacks [#55]

Wll....you made a really wrong comparison. right comparison for you
Fnatic come 2nd, DID NOT QUALIFY to Berlin
PRX come 2nd, QUALIFY TO Champs

Tried to make a equivalent comparison
ENVY/OPTIC (2nd Master Berlin - GET GROUPED in Champs 2021 - Won Reykjavík 2022)
LOUD (2nd Reykjavík - GET GROUPED in Copenhagen - Won the Champs 2022)

ye

True, everyone else is already playing for second placd

RickyIndian [#6]

SEN, SEN, and SEN

u mean SENt home

Average "We look untouchable after a roster change" stage in the life of an average fnatic fan which runs in a perpetual loop.

Sprouts [#15]

KOI, KC, NAVI, VIT, TL, TH, BBL, GIA, FUT
C9, NRG, LEV, FUR, MIBR, SEN, KRU, LOUD, 100T, EG
GENG, DNG, TLN, GE, TS, ZETA, T1, DRX, PRX

Where is ARGH ARGH QUE?

sirenseath [#61]

u mean SENt home

Everyone is sent home eventually tho

symbols07 [#49]

tl has a weak link in soulcas, and navi will be a true competitor, for me they have honestly upgraded with cned

I don't think cned is an upgrade nor is he a downgrade. Ardiis is literally the 2nd best chamber in the world

Pengu12 [#57]

Derke is not top 3 chamber

Yay>ardiis>derke=cryo

Fnatic will never be a threat until they get a real IGL

GreyDaze [#66]

Yay>ardiis>derke=cryo

ardiis was carried by shao and suygetsu

cryo=yay>TenZ>Wardell>bdog>>>>>>>>>>>>ardiis>derke

JsT [#52]

cant wait for soulcas to surprise you , fnatic wont win anything . Boaster fire power is laughable compared to redgar's so in terms of fire power liquid is better + redgar calls are top tier

boaster fire power is better(statistically) then fns angel dephh benkai and other igls. he had almost the same acs as the "best controller in the world" marved while igling. sure soulcas can surprise. (i do believe he has a vry cracked aim, but i think he'll do better in a smoke role instead of a flasher role). and i respect redgar and agree with all you said about him.

GreyDaze [#65]

I don't think cned is an upgrade nor is he a downgrade. Ardiis is literally the 2nd best chamber in the world

that was his peak. he honestly wasnt the same in emea, if he can continue his form sure. bbut what we saw in both lans was him performing his best ever.

symbols07 [#69]

boaster fire power is better(statistically) then fns angel dephh benkai and other igls. he had almost the same acs as the "best controller in the world" marved while igling. sure soulcas can surprise. (i do believe he has a vry cracked aim, but i think he'll do better in a smoke role instead of a flasher role). and i respect redgar and agree with all you said about him.

Saadhak and Redgar are the most proven fragging igls worldwide, but I agree boaster isn’t a massive drag bc of his mechanics. I do think his tendency to micromanage harms them sometimes tho.

GreyDaze [#66]

Yay>ardiis>derke=cryo

IMO cryo is better than Derke

hanafuji [#5]

you forget about RRQ and EG

*MIBR + Giants

ASTEROIDCHILD [#11]

well given their trend it's looking like they will be very beatable until either boaster or mini (or both) get axed
maybe this will be the roster to prove otherwise

but why

Lenny Time aka mocking esports clears

But serious answer: NAVI, TL, C9, NRG, 100T, SEN, LOUD, LEV, DRX, PRX, maybe T1/GenG depending

LathesRule [#71]

Saadhak and Redgar are the most proven fragging igls worldwide, but I agree boaster isn’t a massive drag bc of his mechanics. I do think his tendency to micromanage harms them sometimes tho.

totally agree, he still isnt a perfect igl. but atleast he isnt dragging his team down in terms of fragging. like mini said on twitter, they are trying to work on boaster's midrounding and other stuff igl related

Pengu12 [#72]

IMO cryo is better than Derke

Look at Champs stats. Derke had better stats than cryo but since xset made it farther than fnc,I put them both on same level

Fnatic is a bit overrated. I will admit, they are looking good. But with teams like NRG, DRX and Sentinels in the game, hard to say what adding Leo and Chronicle will do to boost their performance.

symbols07 [#70]

that was his peak. he honestly wasnt the same in emea, if he can continue his form sure. bbut what we saw in both lans was him performing his best ever.

His peak is his most recent performances. So acc to recent performances,ardiis>cned

danii1 [#64]

Everyone is sent home eventually tho

*SENt home first

babysasuke [#67]

Fnatic will never be a threat until they get a real IGL

agreed rare W from you

symbols07 [#49]

tl has a weak link in soulcas, and navi will be a true competitor, for me they have honestly upgraded with cned

I’m the 2 years soulcas has been in Liquid he hasn’t been the weak link even once

benmaimoon [#80]

*SENt home first

copium

they are gonna struggle internally like always

Provided they fail this time, who is going to be kicked next?

GreyDaze [#79]

His peak is his most recent performances. So acc to recent performances,ardiis>cned

yup, but honestly cned can do better and that is why i said what i did

Mortadelo [#82]

I’m the 2 years soulcas has been in Liquid he hasn’t been the weak link even once

lol, ok, this season watch with your eyes open

Navi is tier 1, fnatic, liqiud, kcorp tier 1,5 others are irrelevant

symbols07 [#86]

yup, but honestly cned can do better and that is why i said what i did

Obviously he's got the most potential among every other player in the world especially in a team with Shao,suygetsu and zyppan who can set him up nicely

GreyDaze [#89]

Obviously he's got the most potential among every other player in the world especially in a team with Shao,suygetsu and zyppan who can set him up nicely

so yea, ardiis achieved that with this squad, now cned will hopefully do even better with this squad

NAVI will surprise everyone

Senfanboy [#78]

Fnatic is a bit overrated. I will admit, they are looking good. But with teams like NRG, DRX and Sentinels in the game, hard to say what adding Leo and Chronicle will do to boost their performance.

NRG?
Wake up dude

aged well

queueK [#10]

I will post this thread everytime a fnatic roster change happens until it ages well

:D

Kekw the Fnatic doubters in this thread can cry now🗿

THE GUARD