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My concern about EMEA franchise teams

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BoF7ooM

While most NA teams will be making multiple super teams, due to the large number of spanish orgs, these spanish orgs will try to sign a really good core of players, while keeping some players like fitinho, mixwell for the spanish viewerbase. This may completely ruin EMEA, as this is essentially refusing to not make a super team, holding the players captive in a mediocre team and overall heavily reducing the star player pool although this region has the highest number of uncontested slots, of 10 from which there is no division like brazil, NA or Korea, japan and sea.

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INVICIUS
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its competitve ruling they need to keep some local players in their team to keep competing

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Mortadelo
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No that’s not it

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Phamous
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No lol. They can choose from there entire league’s territory.

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yungbasel
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You're not quite right. It's for the entire region, not org's country.

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BoDork
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No

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Olofboost
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Fitinho isn't even bad lol

And I'm sure mixwell is at least top-50 EMEA player, so he deserves franchise (10 teams, 5 players in each team, 50 total)

I don't understand what this complaint is about

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Thanks, I don’t think anyone claims Mixwell should be in a super team but he is def good enough for some lower team, just hoping is not KOI and they are the ones to actually make a super team

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wizardbot
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yep, its not like NA where is space for only 25 players. You need to fill out 50 players in emea and theres plenty space for that. so the roster shuffle as a whole in EMEA won't be as hectic as na

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BoF7ooM
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This is not a complaint, a concern of what could happen. Ofc nothing happened yet.

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Olofboost
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It's not as bad as NA

We have 10 teams
NA has 5 teams (should've had 6, but Carlos said no)

We can allow some not-so-good players in our league
NA can't, they literally only have 25 players (assuming that BR and LATAM won't go for NA talent)
NA keeping Shahzam will hurt their scene more than EU keeping mixwell or whoever else

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Mortadelo
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Actually it was still gonna be 5 teams, EG was who got in place of G2 but yeah

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Olofboost
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Wow, I thought it was either Mibr or Leviatan
That's crazy, NA was fucked even before the incident

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Mortadelo
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Omg G2 in NA with two imports and them stuck with 4 spots, fuckkk that would have been hilarious

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unknown_trash
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Rumours were that g2 was going to sign the whole xset roster if they made it into NA.

#18
Olofboost
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Ayrin is really not worth to sign

#21
unknown_trash
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im just saying if g2 made franchising they would have signed all of xset as a 5 +coach. i didnt say it was the right move, or whether they should switch players.

#22
Mortadelo
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Ik, it’s just a hypothetical situation, it would have been so funny

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symbols07
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No he's wrong mibr was the one

#41
symbols07
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No lol, mibr got in place of g2. People just think eg is undeserving but they were already in regardless

#51
Mortadelo
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According to who, source.

It doesn’t even make sense dude, Riot wanted to give 3-2-5 spots cause if they actually wanted to give NA 6 instead of LATAM too, why would they change it last moment giving it to LEV instead of just going for TSM or OPTC or whatever like their “had planned”

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symbols07
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tsm and optic examples are bad, but i can understand they should've just given that g2 spot to xset or the guard. but i do think the sources are never wrong. the same sources who leaked every team right, the one who leaked that g2 is out were true. so i am inclined to believe 6 slot leak was true. though yeah it makes no sense, na should've still gotten 6 if g2 missed

#55
Mortadelo
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Which leak dude, I'm asking for a link, and you're talking like if there weren't tones of people leaking who was in and out. And why are OPTC and TSM examples bad

#56
symbols07
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coz optic was almost never a front runner, and tsm was also not very likely, they both had their issues

#57
Mortadelo
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TSM was on every list wdym, they have tones of money and tones of fans wdym. Anyway, I'm trusting anonimotum here cause it's what it makes sense

#49
MagnumRaging
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we don't really know for sure, but according to dot esports leviatan actually took G2's spot
https://dotesports.com/valorant/news/g2-had-sights-set-on-top-tier-na-valorant-talent-before-carlos-controversy-cost-them-everything

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Yeah they also reported NA would have 6-8 spots a couple months ago so I’m sorry I don’t trust them 100%. Don’t get me wrong they do a great job but sometimes they try to be the first ones reporting something and end up missing

I trust this a lot more: https://twitter.com/anonimotum/status/1572315136416776196?cxt=HHwWiIC80aeS_tErAAAA

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MagnumRaging
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fair enough. ig we'll never know for sure unless someone actually leaks it (like an org or riot employee)

#75
Mortadelo
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Yup, it’s never 100%, still people has to learn to understand which sources are more accurate and which are not. Also very important to notice the difference in the wording, is not the same when a reporter says someone is set to sign, and when he says they’ve been trying out with someone, big difference

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BoF7ooM
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yeah its true, lets hope for the best so that we can have atleast 2 super teams and 2 to 3 others that has the capability to win against all international competition and maybe even win tournies. That's the least I can ask from a 10 team region.

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Mortadelo
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Ah yes, Giants having Fitinho and KOI having Kolda is gonna ruin the whole region? Is that what you’re trying to say?

#8
BoF7ooM
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Definitely not koldamenta, but fitinho for sure. Imagine a team with fitinho with redgar, sayf leo trexx. This essentially removes the possibility of redgar being in liquid, leo being in fnatic and sayf in another team. Overall heavily reduces how strong another team can be. Ofc this can easily be fixed with one strong addition.

#16
Victorie
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You are either braindead or haven’t followed tier 2 EU if you think Fitinho is bad.

#27
BoF7ooM
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mid asf still. In franchised league international competition, he will be up against the likes of yay, buzz, stax, aspas, heat, meteor, forsaken, jingg.

#32
Kiklop
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So what ur saying is that t2 players should stay in t2 forever right? XD

#34
hekzy
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Fitinho is doggushittu. Literally mid duelist, d3ffo 2.0

#53
yungbasel
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Or both

#20
Mortadelo
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Well, Fiti is proven in tier 1 and is definitely better than Russ for example and look how good Guild was

#63
ninz
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Russ was really good, excellent utility usage and strong support. You can't compare that role to a primary duelist / OP'er.

Not sure I'd pick Fithino as a top 10 EMEA duelist tbh.

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Mortadelo
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Oh I’m sure, he is definitely not too 10 duelist, but he is close by, and keeping with my analogy so did Russ, not a top 10 EMEA support player imo, but close

#68
ninz
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But the stakes are so high now, you don't want to be among the bottom teams in partnership. And there will never be an opportunity like this again to strengthen a roster, it's going to decide who will be top and bottom for a long time in EMEA.

Taking a chance on someone not quite good enough simply because of nationality is a huge risk.

#69
Mortadelo
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The problem is I don't think they consider a risk, they consider fiti a diamond

#70
ninz
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And that is exactly why people are worried. The org gm's who have proven an inability to build a winning roster are now in charge of building a good partnership roster. Giants have put a lot of time and effort into valorant, and have been huge failures. Why should they succeed now?

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Mortadelo
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Wdym big failures? Giants has done great so far dude, what roster has been a failure? I actually think the opposite, I think they have great judgement and I feel like they see something in him we don't yet

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ninz
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They have consistently performed like a tier 2 team. Never managing to really make a splash, except for a very short period with one roster, and when they got figured out, they got smashed again. For an org that should be top 10 EU they have consistently underperformed.

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idkmate99
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"NA will create super teams"

I think too many NA teams will remain loyal to their current roster instead of COMPLETELY re-building their roster like they should. A team of (Yay/Cryo), (Zekken/Zellsis), (Marved/Supamen), (Trent/Crashies), (FNS/Dephh/Zander) could easily be built and sounds great on paper.

#23
Nitocrys
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Super teams tend to have shit results historically, both in Esports and in traditional sports

#24
Mortadelo
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Ask Brazilians tho

#25
Tramadol
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bro come on, fitinho is not bad at all.
mixwell is not in a good form recently but i´m sure he´ll get up there. all pros have up and downs

#26
r0xi3
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Both fithnio and Mixwell are mid players still won't mind seeing them play, probably we'll atleast get 3-4 super teams (liquid, Fnc, Navi if they pick up Fpx) and it's just that only 1 team has to win.

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saka
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giving 3 slots to spain is a joke anyways

#29
patuj
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True. Thinking same.

#30
BoF7ooM
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most of these guys dont understand, having 2 or 3 superteams is much better than having 7 average teams. NA is not fuckedm out of the 5 teams only clown org is sentinels. Atleast 2 really insane LOUD and DRX level teams are gonna come out of that region. A superteam like DRX or LOUD is capable of beating teams like fnatic and liquid 7/10 times, but due to good firepower and anti strat they may win some. The only team that even comes close to being a super team in EMEA this year was FPX, and even they fell short this year beaten by DRX two times in 2-0. Its honestly the most difficult thing to do, that is trying to go far in the tournament after you have won a championship.

#31
r0xi3
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Well liquid was hoping that they could win without an igl and in Fnc's case they fell short sometimes cuz of Enzo, Boaster and mistic. With so many f/a I think we'll surely see them get better.

#43
FoechiGG
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Yeah we talkin bout the rest especially Spain tho

#33
idkbro
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u braindead? fitinho is actually insane and t1 proven

#35
hekzy
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No. Stop this bullshit. He can't even carry in a dogshit VRLeague

#36
idkbro
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he was a top3 player in the best vrl, he is really good and totally deserves a spot in t1

#38
hekzy
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Spanish VRL is not even Top3. France, North, Turkey >>>>>> spain. Even DACH has more success than turkey.

#39
FoechiGG
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Petition for DACH spot

#44
idkbro
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delusional

#45
hekzy
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lmfao spanish teams that have ascended to VCT over 2022? ZERO. Number of German teams, TWO. Number of turkish teams, ONE. Number of northern teams in the VCT already, 50% of the league.

Furthermore, number of spanish teams that can beat vitality/mad lions, ZERO.

Edit: And let's be even more precise:
VCT Challengers S2 teams:
4/12 Northern Cores
3/12 CIS Cores
2/12 Eastern Cores
2/12 DACH cores
1/12 Turkish cores
0/12 Spanish cores

You want more reality checks... or you good? Delusional kid.

Edit2:
The only spanish player in the VCT was botwell, worst player in his team, one of the worst in the league as a whole.

#46
idkbro
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no correlation tho? we are talking about the regional leagues as a whole, not about vct teams or which teams qualified, you are delusional if you think spanish vrl isnt the one with the most depth and overall quality, cant bother argue with a gold noob who knows nothing about the game that thinks fitinho is bad, mixwell is a fucking dog you are right, next time you try to make an argument with your 80iq fnatic supporter brain at least make some sense, cant understand how your small malfunctioning brain thought there was a correlation between what you wrote and the quality of the leagues as a whole lmao

#60
hekzy
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I just gave you 50 reasons as to why Spanish VRL is one of the weakest. And all you have to say is "you don't understand?"

Cope my friend.

You know why spanish VRL is so weak? Because all those good european players are obligated to carry iberian bots. Because other than koldamenta, there is no good Spanish player in this world. Deal with it.

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idkbro
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so what? I agree spanish players are bots except fitinho, koldamenta and saiz but that doesnt change the fact the best t2 players are in spanish vrl and it the best overall
"You know why spanish VRL is so weak? Because all those good european players are obligated to carry iberian bots."
Then spanish players are weak not the league, u braindamaged? Also do you have an agenda against spain or what? You seem obsessed, also funny that greek guy is talking when you have no scene in any esport

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hekzy
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which are those best tier2 pros? Give me names please. Other than Wolfen (who is severely unproven), there's nobody else.

You don't have Vitality or Mad Lions level rosters. You don't have BIG level rosters. You don't have Fnatic/Liquid/G2/Guild/whatever other northern roster there is. You don't have Acend/OGLU level rosters. You don't have NaVi/M3C level rosters. You don't have SMB/FUT/BBL level rosters.

If you can't form a single roster that can compete with these teams, but all the other leagues actually can, then what does that say about Spanish VRL? It means there aren't good enough players to form good enough teams. Numbers speak for themselves, I won't elaborate any further.

#47
FoechiGG
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Tbf koldamenta is a Great player

#48
idkbro
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it doesnt suit his argument so dont bother, he doesnt even understand the difference between quality of leagues, quality of players from specific country, the fact that a german team doesnt neccesarily make it the league the best one (if this was true as he is suggesting brazil is the best region!) and that vct teams have nothing to do with vrl

#61
hekzy
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Yeah i forgot to mention him but if you see my comment history i always say he is the only elite spanish player.

#37
Mkin11
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Stop the cap

#40
symbols07
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And then sen has shroud and tenz to balance things out dw

#65
BoDork
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Representation is something orgs choose themselves in the EMEA Partner league. They won't have to sign X player but they probably will because you get more consistent revenue from famous players compared to a good roster.

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