VETO Lotus

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KiwiJuice
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I've been thinking about this and why are teams not running Veto on Lotus? You know how this map almost always starts out with a brawl for either A rubble control or C mound/main. Well if you count all the util that's being thrown out there, flashes, fade seize, raze nade, other nades or slows. you can simply put one veto interceptor there and it all goes away (not smokes or breach util). That's just one part of it.

You also have the tp's they have so much range you can get from C to A or in seconds if you want to or use it like a (kinda shit) chamber tp. The ult speaks for itself, it's just a fun ult and especially in a util heavy map like Lotus it seems useful enough. Finally the trap could be used as a chamber trap but it's throwable which means you can have line ups for it, meaning you can take space with it or clear corners with it.

I saw trace esports is the only team that played him but they kept viper in the comp, which doesn't really make all that much sense to me, the fact you have something that deletes util off the map means you can drop viper and play double duelist or double initiator even and play Astra (or Omen).

Thoughts?

EDIT: I played him a bunch in ranked and the interceptor actually has very limited range from where it can kill util basically making it useless. Playing aggressive with tps is so hard since you have to flick to the tp (you have to see the Teleporter to actually be able to tp to it. fast rotate does work but idk if it's that much of an advantage over other sentinels. However the intercept is really good at B and C on defense cause you can place it right above the entrance which makes it impossible to destroy.

tldr: Fun idea, limited character, needs a buff to be viable.

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azert
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no one is gonna read ts 🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀6️⃣7️⃣

#3
KiwiJuice
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didn't expect your 4 second attention span ass to read all this

#4
azert
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sowwy

#5
Khadak
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mainly the ult doesnt provide that much impact as say a veto or even kj ult could have
the tps too arent thatt good as chamber
viper is so good for lurks on thus map so no point taking it out

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KiwiJuice
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Well the tp's are different to chambers, if placed correctly you can get from A to C in seconds, which chamber can't do, yoru can do it but he's dead. It's a new fast rotate method that can't be replicated by any agent + his util is global which makes him unpredictable meaning very good players could shine on him. Of course Viper is good in her own right, but that doesn't mean a Veto comp couldn't work, also Viper has been meta on this map since it was released so teams know how to play against it very well. I agree that Killjoy her ult is really good, but Vyse's range nerf really hurts on this map also and I've seen alot of "fake" vyse ults in VCT where enemies run into a corner or an area where it isn't covered which makes it kinda useless. Killjoy's util is great but she's restricted to play on her site or run between B and C, which veto doesn't have. You win some you lose with him but It's still worth trying out which hasn't happened yet.

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Khadak
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sure,could be tried lets see
i personally liked forsaken on it on pearl

#6
Shehan
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we will see surely some team will whip it out and show some value out of it

#9
Teunoin
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A couple teams have whipped it out and I thought the same tbh, although a kj and vyse give more actual stall for teammates to rotate and passive info

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Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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Well if you count all the util that's being thrown out there, flashes, fade seize, raze nade, other nades or slows. you can simply put one veto interceptor there and it all goes away (not smokes or breach util)

The problem- You dont throw interceptor you deploy it, limited range, which means it's only useful for a potential reclear when you set the veto up on A

The crosscut positions are fine especially for holding the A lane which means the Neon(if you run them) who is your best rotator and aggressor can rotate to B or C and fight again.

As for chokehold, its self explanatory so no other explanation required

Honestly, veto lotus is very nice, but the reason teams dont play him is how the double duelist meta works with 1 big explosive hit + viper still counters veto pretty well as the wall cant be disabled and the veto cannot take an aggressive angle past the normal viper lurk wall. Which serverely limits your options, with a senti like vyse(the current 'anti meta' pick), you have both aggro, passive, bunker, many Varietes, while veto is more limited in options and cannot do well against a double duelist fight

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KiwiJuice
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Well on the A fight, on both attack and defense you can deploy it in the pre round and everything that's going in and out of rubble gets deleted. on C on defense pre deploy is possible but easy to destroy as well. I guess it's not as good in/against Neon Viper meta, but I feel like it should at least be tried out. Viper's outdated on Haven rn, why not Lotus.

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cloudberry
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In theory he should be pretty good... I didn't see Trace play him, but I saw Sentinels against KRÜ play him and it genuinely seemed to me that, despite them misusing his utility, he has potential to be a great choice on Lotus

That being said, though, Vyse is simply the better choice against Neon. Veto can delete util, but he doesn't have any stall... Chokehold doesn't stop execs like Shear does (the rest of the team can still go forward, and in some cases the Neon can even run past the Veto trip), and the razorvines are just so good in the current meta

#12
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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He needs a buff so that the interceptor can activate faster because in its current state it really won't do anything to stop the A lobby or C mound util dumps

Outside of that he probably could be viable in the same way Chamber is, but I think most teams have been leaning toward Vyse/KJ lately because of their stall power

#13
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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Honestly interceptor activates fast.
Its really the placement that restricts him from being useful, probably giving him more range to throw and throw through walls would be the strat

#14
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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I meant the time from equipping it to deploying it to activating it

#15
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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Ah true. But it is meant to be pre placed so id see why riot wouldn't do that.
What id do
Put interceptor as a fuel based tool

#17
KiwiJuice
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edit

#18
JonahPork
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Veto is just awful on defense, that’s why. When you play veto, people can just slam C every single round of attack and there’s nothing you can do about it. They don’t even need to bother with A control. If you adjust to C control, they can just hit A every round. Veto is a turnstile on defense

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