not even top 3 initiators
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Leo is overrated
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i can understand putting under the likes of the famous fat baby, but who else clears him?
“Crashies” son. Biggest team merchant oat, made like 5 finals and lost 4 of them purely off the back of his own underperformances. Don’t compare him to actual tournament mvp level players
surely we aren't blaming crashies for those bo5s? i think boaster might be -100 in bo5s for just the past year
you have actually lost your mind.... champs gf, toronto, another champs gf, even against xset wasn't his fault. fns and boaster were both consistently going -30s in those bo5s while he was single digit negative on scan
What does “single digit negative on scan” mean? You’re implying that scan isn’t a carry role but it is one. Scan players get to bait the entire team and clutch up, something Crashies doesn’t do very often in these grand finals.
If he was he would probably shoot back at the enemies but he hasn’t done much of that in these grand finals
ironically i dont think leo even had that many insane clutches he was just so consistent. expecting crashies to carry on a team with alfa and kaajak is unreal lmfao. not blaming boaster or fns for his previous gf losses is even more unreal tho
Leo carried a team with Alfa and derke bro it was basically the same team except Alfajer was even better in 2023 than 2025
yeah but he didn't carry with his "clutches" leo was fs a better player. there is a reason they won b2b but crashies is not the reason he lost his grand finals
This guy is stupid bro, not worth arguing with some moron who thinks crashies is a team merchant
maybe if boaster stopped being garbage Crashies could have won more finals
he won 1 and barely went negative in the other 2, so evidently hes not really the issue
Going negative at all is a problem, these series weren’t stomps. If it were Leo, he wouldn’t have gone negative
going negative in a loss in a problem? bro almost everyone goes negative when they lose.
Gng how do u have such bad takes?
Crashies was the best NA player oat right before all this Ethan glaze.
Crashies > Leo is very justifiable. I only put Leo slightly higher in my rankings because of every player/coach in EMEA glazing tf out of him like no one else ever (only person in my rankings boosted because of something like that).
Crashies isn’t even a top 5 NA player, please for the love of god stop comparing role players to stars. Idk if you watch basketball but this is the equivalent of comparing Robert Horry to Larry Bird
crashies was the 2nd best fnc player in 2025 champs grand finals after kaajak. I don't care that alfajer got to pad his stats on ascent, the 1-11 comeback was nearly all kaajak and crashies, at least on fnc's end. Bro was walking into b site and getting 2 or 3 on retakes by himsef
i don't care whether he dropped 7 or 10 kills in complete stomp losses either, they weren't winning those maps regardless with how they were so outclassed on a team level. Like wow congrats for putting up a 1.04 instead of a 0.57 rating in a 13-5 sunset where you won both pistols alfajer. In the map where fnc's individuals actually got them across the line and made it not the most embarrassing blowout in vct history it was crashies who topfragged while alfajer went negative
not anymore obviously because its been so long since he played, but during his time he was a top 1 initiator.
yes of course, i dont mean to say he's a bad player, he was one of the best but he's been surpassed
Why is every reply sneaking Crashies into this lmao? if Crashies performed like Leo would in those 5 finals, he would’ve won all 5, not just 1.
Leo will probably forever be the most overrated of all time.
Just because he left at his peak.
truth is no initiator really did it like Leo, but in terms of util support id put sacy above him and thats it
Reins might be on his level (maybe a lil better or worse) imo 25 TH was only slightly better than 22 Guild
leo clears sacy, shao and brawk
and he is better than trent and crashies
so he is the goat recon
Lockin Shao was literally being compared to with Leo during that same event
I mean he wasn’t played the game for 1.5 years I’d hope anther initiator passed him by now
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