not even top 3 initiators
Leo is overrated
posted in
Valorant Discussion
Son
i can understand putting under the likes of the famous fat baby, but who else clears him?
themaniel [#2]Son
i can understand putting under the likes of the famous fat baby, but who else clears him?
Crashies, Sacy, Trent, Chronicle
fiv5Mmmmm [#3]Crashies, Sacy, Trent, Chronicle
“Crashies” son. Biggest team merchant oat, made like 5 finals and lost 4 of them purely off the back of his own underperformances. Don’t compare him to actual tournament mvp level players
carlosffs7 [#5]crashies , riens , trent, c0m and sacy clears
c0m LMAOOOOO
not anymore obviously because its been so long since he played, but during his time he was a top 1 initiator.
carlosffs7 [#5]crashies , riens , trent, c0m and sacy clears
Crashies and C0M 😭😭😭😭😭 SON 😭😭😭
Why is every reply sneaking Crashies into this lmao? if Crashies performed like Leo would in those 5 finals, he would’ve won all 5, not just 1.
JonahPork [#4]“Crashies” son. Biggest team merchant oat, made like 5 finals and lost 4 of them purely off the back of his own underperformances. Don’t compare him to actual tournament mvp level players
surely we aren't blaming crashies for those bo5s? i think boaster might be -100 in bo5s for just the past year
JonahPork [#4]“Crashies” son. Biggest team merchant oat, made like 5 finals and lost 4 of them purely off the back of his own underperformances. Don’t compare him to actual tournament mvp level players
maybe if boaster stopped being garbage Crashies could have won more finals
Leo will probably forever be the most overrated of all time.
Just because he left at his peak.
Rev1va1 [#12]surely we aren't blaming crashies for those bo5s? i think boaster might be -100 in bo5s for just the past year
Crashies has been on other teams than fnatic twin
wonkeldee [#7]not anymore obviously because its been so long since he played, but during his time he was a top 1 initiator.
yes of course, i dont mean to say he's a bad player, he was one of the best but he's been surpassed
fiv5Mmmmm [#13]maybe if boaster stopped being garbage Crashies could have won more finals
Played in other grand finals than the ones on fnatic brotato
JonahPork [#17]Played in other grand finals than the ones on fnatic brotato
he lost both finals to prime Loud, there was nothing he could do
JonahPork [#15]Crashies has been on other teams than fnatic twin
you have actually lost your mind.... champs gf, toronto, another champs gf, even against xset wasn't his fault. fns and boaster were both consistently going -30s in those bo5s while he was single digit negative on scan
JonahPork [#17]Played in other grand finals than the ones on fnatic brotato
he won 1 and barely went negative in the other 2, so evidently hes not really the issue
Rev1va1 [#19]you have actually lost your mind.... champs gf, toronto, another champs gf, even against xset wasn't his fault. fns and boaster were both consistently going -30s in those bo5s while he was single digit negative on scan
What does “single digit negative on scan” mean? You’re implying that scan isn’t a carry role but it is one. Scan players get to bait the entire team and clutch up, something Crashies doesn’t do very often in these grand finals.
GhostKing44 [#20]he won 1 and barely went negative in the other 2, so evidently hes not really the issue
Going negative at all is a problem, these series weren’t stomps. If it were Leo, he wouldn’t have gone negative
JonahPork [#21]What does “single digit negative on scan” mean? You’re implying that scan isn’t a carry role but it is one. Scan players get to bait the entire team and clutch up, something Crashies doesn’t do very often in these grand finals.
i guess crashies isnt a better baiter than leo
MindGoblin1 [#10]Tr0nt lol
Even Crashies clears him.
i like crashies but trent clears him lolz
king_bob [#23]i guess crashies isnt a better baiter than leo
If he was he would probably shoot back at the enemies but he hasn’t done much of that in these grand finals
JonahPork [#4]“Crashies” son. Biggest team merchant oat, made like 5 finals and lost 4 of them purely off the back of his own underperformances. Don’t compare him to actual tournament mvp level players
Gng how do u have such bad takes?
Crashies was the best NA player oat right before all this Ethan glaze.
Crashies > Leo is very justifiable. I only put Leo slightly higher in my rankings because of every player/coach in EMEA glazing tf out of him like no one else ever (only person in my rankings boosted because of something like that).
sentinelmain377 [#26]Gng how do u have such bad takes?
Crashies was the best NA player oat right before all this Ethan glaze.
Crashies > Leo is very justifiable. I only put Leo slightly higher in my rankings because of every player/coach in EMEA glazing tf out of him like no one else ever (only person in my rankings boosted because of something like that).
Crashies isn’t even a top 5 NA player, please for the love of god stop comparing role players to stars. Idk if you watch basketball but this is the equivalent of comparing Robert Horry to Larry Bird
JonahPork [#21]What does “single digit negative on scan” mean? You’re implying that scan isn’t a carry role but it is one. Scan players get to bait the entire team and clutch up, something Crashies doesn’t do very often in these grand finals.
ironically i dont think leo even had that many insane clutches he was just so consistent. expecting crashies to carry on a team with alfa and kaajak is unreal lmfao. not blaming boaster or fns for his previous gf losses is even more unreal tho
JonahPork [#22]Going negative at all is a problem, these series weren’t stomps. If it were Leo, he wouldn’t have gone negative
going negative in a loss in a problem? bro almost everyone goes negative when they lose.
Rev1va1 [#28]ironically i dont think leo even had that many insane clutches he was just so consistent. expecting crashies to carry on a team with alfa and kaajak is unreal lmfao. not blaming boaster or fns for his previous gf losses is even more unreal tho
Leo carried a team with Alfa and derke bro it was basically the same team except Alfajer was even better in 2023 than 2025
GhostKing44 [#29]going negative in a loss in a problem? bro almost everyone goes negative when they lose.
Leo went positive in every loss he faced in the 2023 season
JonahPork [#25]If he was he would probably shoot back at the enemies but he hasn’t done much of that in these grand finals
and yet he has won more international GFs than Trent... nooticing
JonahPork [#30]Leo carried a team with Alfa and derke bro it was basically the same team except Alfajer was even better in 2023 than 2025
yeah but he didn't carry with his "clutches" leo was fs a better player. there is a reason they won b2b but crashies is not the reason he lost his grand finals
Rev1va1 [#12]surely we aren't blaming crashies for those bo5s? i think boaster might be -100 in bo5s for just the past year
This guy is stupid bro, not worth arguing with some moron who thinks crashies is a team merchant
MrBlooBloom [#32]and yet he has won more international GFs than Trent... nooticing
Yeah cuz he got carried by yay and Marved lmfao, trent never had anyone to carry him. Trent’s only grand final performance in Bangkok is better than any single grand final performance from Crashies
truth is no initiator really did it like Leo, but in terms of util support id put sacy above him and thats it
Reins might be on his level (maybe a lil better or worse) imo 25 TH was only slightly better than 22 Guild
JonahPork [#35]Yeah cuz he got carried by yay and Marved lmfao, trent never had anyone to carry him. Trent’s only grand final performance in Bangkok is better than any single grand final performance from Crashies
ofc tr0nt got to statpadd on t0j0
MrBlooBloom [#37]ofc tr0nt got to statpadd on t0j0
trashies’s only trophy came off the back of y0y abusing ch0mber
carlosffs7 [#5]crashies , riens , trent, c0m and sacy clears
cUm & s0c0 in big 26
JonahPork [#38]trashies’s only trophy came off the back of y0y abusing ch0mber
which says a lot about how insane of a choke that was to lose against T1 by abusing the most broken agent in the meta meanwhile the enemy team wasn't even using it
JonahPork [#4]“Crashies” son. Biggest team merchant oat, made like 5 finals and lost 4 of them purely off the back of his own underperformances. Don’t compare him to actual tournament mvp level players
crashies was the 2nd best fnc player in 2025 champs grand finals after kaajak. I don't care that alfajer got to pad his stats on ascent, the 1-11 comeback was nearly all kaajak and crashies, at least on fnc's end. Bro was walking into b site and getting 2 or 3 on retakes by himsef
shaq_attaqr [#41]crashies was the 2nd best fnc player in 2025 champs grand finals after kaajak. I don't care that alfajer got to pad his stats on ascent, the 1-11 comeback was nearly all kaajak and crashies, at least on fnc's end. Bro was walking into b site and getting 2 or 3 on retakes by himsef
5 maps were played
MrBlooBloom [#40]which says a lot about how insane of a choke that was to lose against T1 by abusing the most broken agent in the meta meanwhile the enemy team wasn't even using it
Says nothing about trent, only about Jonah and leaf
JonahPork [#4]“Crashies” son. Biggest team merchant oat, made like 5 finals and lost 4 of them purely off the back of his own underperformances. Don’t compare him to actual tournament mvp level players
no, jonahpork, trent is not an all time greater initiator than crashies
JonahPork [#44]Says nothing about trent, only about Jonah and leaf
and Valyn
JonahPork [#43]5 maps were played
i don't care whether he dropped 7 or 10 kills in complete stomp losses either, they weren't winning those maps regardless with how they were so outclassed on a team level. Like wow congrats for putting up a 1.04 instead of a 0.57 rating in a 13-5 sunset where you won both pistols alfajer. In the map where fnc's individuals actually got them across the line and made it not the most embarrassing blowout in vct history it was crashies who topfragged while alfajer went negative
leo clears sacy, shao and brawk
and he is better than trent and crashies
so he is the goat recon
Steelz [#49]leo clears sacy, shao and brawk
and he is better than trent and crashies
so he is the goat recon
shao sneak into this is crazy
Agx192 [#50]shao sneak into this is crazy
at some point he had a better peak than sacy
Steelz [#51]at some point he had a better peak than sacy
he also had 3-4 years of being super mid while sacy stayed consistent
Agx192 [#50]shao sneak into this is crazy
Lockin Shao was literally being compared to with Leo during that same event
fiv5Mmmmm [#3]Crashies, Sacy, Trent, Chronicle
I agree with crashies and chron
id put him above sacy and trent tho
Agx192 [#52]he also had 3-4 years of being super mid while sacy stayed consistent
2021 shao < sacy very debatable because shao played in a more competitive league
2022 shao > sacy
2023 shao > sacy
2024 shao < sacy
JonahPork [#11]Why is every reply sneaking Crashies into this lmao? if Crashies performed like Leo would in those 5 finals, he would’ve won all 5, not just 1.
crashies has played really well lol, fnc is losing cuz of boaster
I mean he wasn’t played the game for 1.5 years I’d hope anther initiator passed him by now
Discord