stop the god damn goat discussion

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themaniel

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all of your goats are turbo frauds

Aspas dropped a 0.5 rated stinker at masters toronto, got awarded MVP after getting hard carried (LOL) baited all of his teammates when it mattered most vs DRX at champs 2025, and EDG at champs 2024, pretends he can play other agents, but is still a jett merchant despite what his fans want you to believe, he is also the BIGGEST regional statpadder OAT.

Chronicle won 3 trophies, Wowza! One of which was in the stone age (MICKEEEEYYYY) and the other two he struggled to put up ratings higher than toaster (YEEOOOOWWWCHHH!!!!) + all of the nightmare performances he dropped that lost his team multiple grand finals

Ethan has been good for like 2 weeks across his whole career, sure he "won" two champs trophies, just ignore the fact that he had the best aimer to ever do it (demon1) and the guy that singlehandedly created his own meta to win champs MVP. (brawk)

F0rsaken is not anywhere near the conversation do not mention him.

nAts is just worse chronicle do not mention him either.

People spend so much time constructing an insane amount of narratives about how their favourite guy is the goat, (obsessed) and yet they are all blind to the fact that they're ALL frauds.

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my goat is asuna. now what?

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themaniel

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Mental asylum

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asunaluvr

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?? thats rude

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ur goat and flair does not match

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statpadder has lower stats than Chronicle btw LMAO:

Chronicle:
Role: Initiator -> Flex (Controller, Duelist) -> Flex (Sentinel, Initiator)
International Events attended: 10/16 (M3 21, C 21, M1 23, M2 23, C 23, M2 24, C 24, M2 25, EWC 25, C 25)
Top 1: 3
Top 2: 7
Top 4: 8
Top 8: 10

International Ratings: Average = 1.15

Total Rounds: 2893
- 1.26 * (306 rounds)
- 1.19 * (356 rounds)
- 1.10 * (307 rounds)
- 1.19 * (210 rounds)
- 0.94 * (270 rounds)
- N/A (China)
- 1.21 * (293 rounds)
- 1.13 * (419 rounds)
- 1.30 * (279 rounds)
- 1.07 * (453 rounds)
Average rating with rounds for each stat being weighted: 1.14967507777 -> 1.15
Average rating with rounds for each stat being weighted WITHOUT EWC: 1.13400816452 -> 1.13

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Aspas:
Role: Duelist
International Events attended: 10/16 (M1 22, M2 22, C 22, M1 23, M2 23, C 23, M2 24, C 24, M2 25, C 25)
Top 1: 1
Top 2: 2
Top 4: 5
Top 8: 7

Ratings: Average = 1.12

Total Rounds: 2525
- 1.18 (240 rounds)
- 1.04 (136 rounds)
- 0.99 (366 rounds)
- 1.11 (380 rounds)
- 1.11 (80 rounds)
- 1.15 (515 rounds)
- N/A (China)
- 1.14 (407 rounds)
- 0.53 (71 rounds)
- 1.33 (330 rounds)
Average rating with rounds being weighted: 1.12092673267 -> 1.12

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gamergirl

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"ewc"

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Chronicle:
"Average rating with rounds for each stat being weighted: 1.14967507777 -> 1.15
Average rating with rounds for each stat being weighted WITHOUT EWC: 1.13400816452 -> 1.13"

chron clears

chron rent free in bronzilian heads

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gamergirl

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name 5 international events chronicle was the best player from his team at

M1 22, M2 22, M2 23, C 23, M2 24, C 24, M2 25, C 25

this the aspas list

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sentinelmain377

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name 1 international trophy Aspas won where he was the best player on his team: 0

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gamergirl

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same for chronicle lol

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sentinelmain377

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exactly so ur point doesnt matter

if them being the best on their team doesnt lead to trophies, it doesnt matter

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gamergirl

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it does, aspas is 90% of the time the best player on his team, chronicle is the best player on his team 5% of the time :)

its quite simple the best player ever should have atleast 3 events he's the best player on his team at, not even the world, just his team lol

u can squeeze 3 if u lie, but aspas is at 7-8 soon to be 12 by end of 2026

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what if i say my goat is s1mon or sword9

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Valid

s1mon won champs then dipped 😭😭😭😭😭

sword9 youre tweaking

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twigster001

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s1mon won champs and bombed team mental before dipping
sword9 was just the most random player i could think of

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delighted

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watch sword9 break the kill record

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i agree, Less is the goat

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themaniel

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Who

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I_LOVE_LESS

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wish i could link a game where wolves lost to Less but wolves dont make internationals so i cant

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themaniel

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Wolves have been at an international more recently than less

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and how many have they won

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both wolves and Less have won 0 internationals without Pancada carrying their sorry arses

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I_LOVE_LESS

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Less had the highest acs on LOUD when they won champs

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nooomy

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okay but he doesnt have Pancadas sex appeal so who really gaf

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I_LOVE_LESS

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pANcada himself said "if i was a woman i'd be hitting Less up"

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gamergirl

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we need to see less without happy meals first

continue thread →

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themaniel

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the same amount unless you're including that one tournament in 1546 before teams discovered strats

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nooomy

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my goat is boostio. now what?

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themaniel

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Sentenced to watch giantx play for 10 years

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adafe

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So Alfa is the goat

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themaniel

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no he let team horrible reverse sweep fnatic by having a disaster game

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delighted

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😭😭😭😭😭

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its kinda insane to think about how chronicle is a "goat candidate" yet his teammates on fnatic (derke, leo, alfa) are also considered goat candidates by others or place in the top 10 all time list🤔

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bc when a team does very well all the players will have good stats and will look good (simply bc they are winning) but often they arent nearly as individually talented as ppl will claim bc stats dont account for good team util, kills when ur up numbers so they are more likely to go for risky play which u punish more often then not etc... The only true way to actually know someones individual skill is by just simply watching them and determining how good their util, decisions, etc... are, this is also why in ranked and pro play if u lose by a big scoreline say 13-3, most likely ur whole team will be negative or at least 3-4 of them but if teamates performances has no impact on ur own individual performance then a whole team being negative should be 1 in 32 but obviously this happens all the time, maybe 1 in 6 times on ur team. Determining how good util and decisions are is very subjective and only a hand few ppl are actually good enough to be an arbitrar in this scenario who most of the time are coaches themselves. So instead ppl just go off of stats which still tell a lot about how good someone is but it over estimates so many ppls talent if their own team is good.

These are my thoughts at least 😀

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You forgot to compare them to the actual goat urangoat

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✅

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foythvlr

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baited all of his teammates when it mattered most vs DRX at champs 2025

we just saying shit now

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themaniel

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i lowk got NRG and drx mixed up

point still stands

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foythvlr

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No it doesn't

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themaniel

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Less first engagements than his IGL initiator (😭)

wait... Less??

that reminds me of the less that carried him at champions 2022.

Wild.

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foythvlr

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he didn't have less first engagements than anyone on his team lol

that reminds me of the less that carried him at champions 2022.

you didn't even watch champions 2022 be fr

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gamergirl

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aspas used to be entry first duelist when he had team to support

he was entry first duelist and still registered highest kills on his team lol

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themaniel

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on corrode specifically (hence the when it mattered most)

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foythvlr

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If you actually watched the game you would know he's the one being baited lol

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Its purp0
Debate over

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delighted

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😭😭😭😭😭

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themaniel

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Son 😭

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Kirya

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im just ahead of the curve purpo will become the goat

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zak9

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my goat is lebron and urangoat

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ssamehere

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you take that back about nats 😠

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Yistyy

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you're right that's why demon1 is my goat

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Pototo

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I think themanial is the goat... Prove me wrong bitch

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theGOATiel*

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themaniel

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Themaniel is a hardstuck diamond fraud

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well m hardstuck plat so he is still the goat to me

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Themaniel who do you considered as the goat of valorant

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themaniel

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No one they're all frauds

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skuba clears all these guys

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themaniel

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Pooba

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delighted

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I agree glyph is the goat

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cucknickle kkkkk

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Tempest24

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facts
we all know siufat is the true goat

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There is no undisputed GOAT in valorant because it's way too difficult to stay consistent and determine what being the best player even means. In CS the GOATs are very obvious yet not so much in val. Like how is Nats even in any GOAT discussion?

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So I'm my goat

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delighted

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this is true

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SugarZ3ro is the goat

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No, I'm gonna keep mentioning f0rsakeN in every GOAT discussion. Who's gonna stop me? You and what army?

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Ethan doesn't have any mickey trophies so why does he get the hate :(

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Prase

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Idk allat I just know mwzera is the goat.