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Will champions ever equal worlds

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GambleNats

I dont means views, i dont mean revenue but I mean importance to that esport. In league winning a worlds is by far the best thing you can achieve, so much so it completely nullfies the importance of any other event, whether it be last stand, msi, etc etc people dont care unless you win worlds. Theres only 2 players worth mentioning that havent won worlds and are considered top player, chovy and uzi. Both of which are often called frauds for not winning worlds.

Right now in valorant masters wins are still valued pretty highly. Most people see it as less of a win as champs is BUT many still value masters. Many of the greats of valorant have not won champs, be it tenz, chronicle, or anyone of your favourite picks, its not something that gets neglected and forgotten about.

My question is (ALSO TL;DR): Why do you think the value of champions is so much less than worlds, when do you think people will only care about champ winners and neglect masters winners, or do you think such a thing wont happen

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League is more popular

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Why are we over exaggerating poggpigg?

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i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, riot will always consider league its golden child over val

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GambleNats
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yo chat i meant like why is winning worlds so much bigger of an achievement in league, than winning champs is in valorant

if u win master ur like a top player
if u win msi, unless u do well in worlds barely anyone cares

if u win champs ur like maybe a little bit above the average masters winner
if u win worlds people put u on a pedastool

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It’s more to do with how people think of the season as a whole

in movies, the climax happens right at the tailend of the year and it’s what people are usually most excited to see; the same effect is found in franchise games like league, val, rl, etc because that’s what people tune in to the most

you will find people arguing that GEN’s msi win is more impressive than T1’s worlds win and, format-wise, it probably is, but people will remember T1 over GEN because they won the biggest event, the final event of the year

the bigger the game, the higher of a pedestal you’re put on. this is why league worlds winners see a higher disparity between them and msi winners compared to val champs winners and masters winners

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this doesn't answer the question; in LoL worlds is a legacy defining achievement while champs doesn't hold the same value in valorant. that is what op is trying to say.

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the bigger the game, the higher of a pedestal you’re put on

this is especially true for franchised games where there are very few tournaments. league just so happens to be the bigger esports and most viewers tune in for worlds alone

added with the fact that for a while in its early stages, worlds was the only real international tournament in league before msi was added in 2015

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It's a mix between the age of the game and the community. Valorant has only existed for just over 5 years, it's only been an official esport for 4 of those years. Champs is the most important tournament, it is our worlds. But we haven't had enough time or champs tourneys to get a solid pool of players to win multiple times. Ethan is the first person to win two Champs trophies.

ALso, newer fans don't really consider the true nature of each trophy, they see "Oh a trophy, this guy has "x" amount which is more than this multiple time Champs contender! He must be better." Riot doesn't really make a bigger deal of champs than it does every masters, yeah they get a skinline every time but theres no real thing that says "hey, Champs is a really fucking big deal. Whoever wins this is the absolute greatest."

The reason CS and other esports have a more definitive system is because they've been around for longer, fans realize that trophies from the beginning of the game do not hold as much meaning as ones later on. They know what tournaments hold what value because they've seen what comes from what trophies. Every champ we've had so far has absolutely crumbled.

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In cs major is still the biggest event of the year but lot of people regard cologne or Katowice as big as major.

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tbf, until they made major finals bo5 it was actually easier to win a major than it was to win kato or cologne. It's weird because prize pool wise and format wise (until very recently) majors were essentially the same, just without a bo5 final.

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I hope this never happens, I would much rather a world where masters = champs

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I hope it never happens because it’s objectively impressive to be the best team in the world by winning a masters. Champs is not much harder to win than a masters, it shouldn’t be the only event that matters

The champs winner has rarely ever been the best team that year

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So you want masters to be irrelevant?

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Madouza
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No, they're saying champs and masters are one in the same, because they are. The only difference between a champs and masters win is the trophy design.

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any avid valorant watcher knows a masters and champs are pretty equivalent in terms of how hard they are to win and often i find the 2nd masters has the highest level of play across all the events in the year most teams are burnt out by champs and the games end up being sloppy

i just think the esport is too young to really heavily weigh trophies like all of the 2021 and 2022 trophies are fraudulent to me i would never use that to justify players being better bc of a 2021 trophy.

as the esport reaches 10 years i think it will change a lot and i think the season needs to be restructured in someway to have champions consistently be the hardest event for it to have the same weight as league.

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Maybe 1 or 2 teams but champs generally has more number of teams looking like their best version than the 2nd masters.

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consistently the best teams of the year have peaked at the 2nd masters (true for all years gambit, fpx, fnatic, geng, prx) and generally the 16 teams at champs will have weaker teams qualifying which leads to sloppier games thats what im talking about

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not FPX, optic and loud were better

#23
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FPX got robbed in 2022, couldnt play in the tournament when they were at their peak

#24
catNmouse
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fair but it still doesn’t mean that they were the best team of 2022

loud attended two finals and won one of them, optic had three podium finishes including two finals and one trophy

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I agree, FPX easily and my opinion shouldve been the best team of 2022 but because they couldnt attend the first masters, they have to sit contently at third because its all "potential" and no actual results

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catNmouse
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yeah it is pretty unfortunate, maybe if they had made the finals at champions istanbul instead of loud or optic then i could see the argument there

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Why do you think prx is the best team of the year and not fnatic? Also how are you so confident that peak nrg or champs fnc wouldn't beat Toronto prx or that peak edg couldn't beat Shanghai geng? Tbh the randomness in val is huge cause of the meta and map pool changes so I do think no tournament is way better quality wise compared to other. But I still think more teams are generally at their best form in champs compared to master where usually 1 or 2 teams are at their best form.

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Nats_2nd_biggest_fan
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Hello GambleNats
What do you think about the TL roster for 2026

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GambleNats
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its like decent but wont reach the heights of even 2025 TL, keiko was just such a good peice to lose overnight. realistically if liquid can get into 1 playoff in an international event i will be more than happy. but always gotta believe that my goat nats can win another trophy.

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I feel like even if we lost a lot of firepower through Keiko, we added a lot more firepower individually onto the roster for 2026, which is what 2025 TL lacked, even when everything was going right, most of the roster just couldn't shoot and we basically lost.
Additionally, I think you may be underestimating Wayne, as he is also an aggressive smokes player, and basically a slight downgrade from Keiko. Penultimately, this version of TL is extremely flexible with purp0, kamo and Miniboo in the roster, so they can basically do DRX champs mosquito comps and a lot more with the players they have. Lastly, we cannot forget that it'll be nAts' 2nd year of igling, so with the knowledge and lessons learned from last season, he should do better overall.

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People who actually watch league esports will know that winning msi is actually harder than winning worlds skill wise especially with the new format introduced. But worlds is all about pressure. Hot take but I always rank val championship higher than league ones cause of how much more competitive val is overall. And in my opinion champs is still more prestigious than masters. But it's good that val fans aren't like league fans who think masters don't matter.

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Probably due to how young of an esport valorant is. Like it's still really easy to name all masters and champs winners for all 5 years the esport has existed. Hell, at this moment avid fans can even recognise the good teams that DIDNT win a trophy (e.g prx 23, th 24, g2+fnc 25) and debate their achievements. I think as valorant grows old we might see a shift in mentality as we get more trophy winners, we'd probably put more weight on trophy winners in hall of fame lists since they are just memorable. And since Champs is held in higher regard and only occurs once per year eventually we might start disregarding masters all togetherr.

Personally, I prefer the way things are currently because:

  • Winning Champions is barely higher difficulty (4 more lower seeded teams) than Masters

  • Valorant as a game has proven to be very inconsistent as the champ winning team for the 2nd year in a row has failed to make deep runs in any earlier tourney, like League to my understanding has a lot less volatile meta shifts than valorant, feels kinda lame to call a team the best when they only show up at the end of the year (peaking at the right time)

#26
Jezy
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TLDR basically most teams cease to exist after winning a champs event , but really its just time if val and the league were around 20ish years ago we might have the same impact

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Anguibok
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My question is (ALSO TL;DR): Why do you think the value of champions is so much less than worlds, when do you think people will only care about champ winners and neglect masters winners, or do you think such a thing wont happen

They are 2 reason for that :

  • On LoL, on early years, we had only champs, no master, no MSI, no First strike, so when MSI was realease after 5 years, it has way less aura than champs, even if people beleived it was a banger, it didnt has the 5 years of storyline that champ had, so champs basically snowballed on being the most important event. (People that uses the "LoL have 15 years legacy" are absolutely wrong, this is not the answer to your specific question)
  • Valo champ curse : beside LOUD, every champs sounds like a fluke, most of team didnt do anything during the year, coming out from nowere and managed ot win it, it's hard to explain why it did happen somany time, but my beleive is that its a mix of many factor :
    1. Every time we did have a change of mapool right before champs, wish is good for some random team shining on specific map with gameplan nobody saw
    2. Valorant is a game where consistency doesnt exist, on a bad day the worst team can destroy the best one, on some mental snowball, if in a tournament with 8 or 12 team, the chance an outsider win is low, on a 16 team tournament they are way more outsider than best team so statistically it increase the chance of an outsider winning it.
    3. Antistrat ? Maybe Val is a game where it's easy to antistrat, so more you progress in the year, more the best team will antistrat each other, and the weakest team, will be less antistrated ?

Addendum : in LoL going to world feel more as a reward for the whole year, while in Val it's like every event are just disjoint event, I think the king off the hill format for LCQ helped a lot for that, thisis the correct format for LCQ I think

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